So...this is pretty upsetting

[Brinnie]

The new international banners are out!
And you can get them before everyone else!

 

[Liar]

As posters on Lit, we are tertiary producers and the secondary producer is responsible for our actions.

Does anyone know where the line between "web space provider" and "secondary producer" goes? Could this mean an end to web hotels or blog providers like LiveJournal, because they can't control all public content on their servers?

#L

 

[Brinnie]

Does anyone know where the line between "web space provider" and "secondary producer" goes? Could this mean an end to web hotels or blog providers like LiveJournal, because they can't control all public content on their servers?

#L

That's a very good question. Can hotmail or yahoo be held accountable for pornographic attachments uploaded to their servers?

In my brief moments as an adult webmistress, that has always been my worry. I look at LJ and people are posting all kinds of shit. hen they get caught, they're suspended, but what if teh feds catch them first?

But you can read all about 2257:

teh oldz teh new

 

[Brinnie]

Does anyone know where the line between "web space provider" and "secondary producer" goes? Could this mean an end to web hotels or blog providers like LiveJournal, because they can't control all public content on their servers?

#L

I've got an answer for you now



(4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:

(i) Photo or film processing, including digitization of previously existing visual depictions, as part of a commercial enterprise, with no other commercial interest in the sexually explicit material, printing, and video duplicators;

(ii) Mere distribution;

(iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in paragraphs (c) (1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the hiring, ontracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the depicted performers;

(iv) A provider of web-hosting services who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service; or

(v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

 

[Bacteriophage68]

Re:

Just read the new rules. Now, can someone explain to me how US porn sites will be able to survive if this is to be reinforced?

They won't. They will all die...a violent and painful death! http://homepage.mac.com/ericliskay/smilies/dino_devil.gif http://homepage.mac.com/ericliskay/smilies/dino_laugh.gif

 

[elsol]

(v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

WTF?!? Why did they EVEN bother with this crap!

It excludes ANY provider who DOES NOT, and REASONABLY cannot...

The forum is a 'service' which the provider (laurel, manu) do not and reasonably cannot 'manage' the content of.

Who the fuck wrote this essentially unenforceable law; it's in black and white that it excludes any 'self-loading' sites.

I wanna see how the Republican judges get around this piece of stupidity; if you're going to write a prohibitive law, fucking do it right.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[elsol]

Actually, this cannot legally apply to the Lit Forum.

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

It's in black and white; if it applies to the forum then it applies to cell-phone companies who allow picture takers to send picture to other cell-phone users on their network. It's the exact same service; Literotica only provides the service and because it's a 'self-loading one' (i.e. the user loads the picture) Literotica cannot reasonably manage the sexually explicit content.

To enforce it on Literotica (and I'm sure they will try) means the cell-phone companies can be taken down by the same law if even one user 'distributes' a sexually explicit image through his cell-phone.

This law is horribly written; it's a shotgun meant to be used against specific things... I hope they Republicans have enough of the judges in their back-pockets because this thing is crap.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Guest]

No Fear

Okay folks I look at this in a different light….but then I’ve never been accused of thinking inside the box. Well so you can’t show your vibrating penis or a woman shaking her legs as she feels her man or paid lover depositing his “baby gravy” lol! I love that term. Anyway this does in no way affect the written word which is more powerful than any picture.
In my mind it really makes no difference at all to Lit, we create visual images through words that can blow the mind much more effectively than any picture.

Jmt

 

[dr_mabeuse]

This law is horribly written; it's a shotgun meant to be used against specific things... I hope they Republicans have enough of the judges in their back-pockets because this thing is crap.

Sincerely,
ElSol

Yeah, ES, but remember, whoever they bring this law against is still going to have to pay to defend themselves. They can make things very expensive.

 

[elsol]

Yeah, ES, but remember, whoever they bring this law against is still going to have to pay to defend themselves. They can make things very expensive.

I think you're right... they can't go after anyone with a real business interest with this. They'll get killed by their bullshit language.

'Mere Distribution'

They have to be fucking kidding me. This looks like a 'We can't really prosecute obscenity so we'll drive the little guys out of business.'

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[LadyJeanne]

Okay folks I look at this in a different light….but then I’ve never been accused of thinking inside the box. Well so you can’t show your vibrating penis or a woman shaking her legs as she feels her man or paid lover depositing his “baby gravy” lol! I love that term. Anyway this does in no way affect the written word which is more powerful than any picture.
In my mind it really makes no difference at all to Lit, we create visual images through words that can blow the mind much more effectively than any picture.

Jmt

Perhaps written smut will be next in line for some regulations...

 

[scheherazade_79]

Easy solution.

The Bush administration wants us to be respectable like them. So why don't we change our AVs to photos of members of the Bush administration?

And if tits are ok, then we could keep more within the theme of Lit by superimposing tits on the pictures.

There. Everyone's happy

 

[dr_mabeuse]

This is from an e-mail I got today from a pay BDSM site I write for:
================================

Another thing I want to say is about what content is allowed on this
site. Due to the recent enforcement of new law related to adult sites,
the credit card company is changing their policy too. This is not
really
a matter of legitimacy because the new restriction includes legal
content. So this is just a matter of compliance with the new credit
card
processing policy. [my bolds--dr.M.]

Below I listed the content that are not allowed. I know it will not
allow your imagination going wild, but still there are plenty of
bdsm-related topics around for your next story.

Thank you very much for your attention.


-----------------------------------------------------------
Underage (Provocative and/or Non-Provocative)
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references to
Underage (Provocative and/or Non-Provocative); including Hentai or
animations.

Bestiality
------------------------------------------------------------
Actual or implied sexual acts between humans and animals in all mediums
including Hentai or animations. It is a violation if any marketing or
advertising to and from sites containing this content.

Sexual acts between men and/or women in the presence of animals are
acceptable, contingent that the animals are not included in the sexual
acts, unless the marketing of the site infers bestiality; in all
mediums
including Hentai or animations.

Rape
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references and
marketing of rape, involuntary sex or forced sex; in all mediums
including Hentai or animations.

Bodily Excretions
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references
involving the content of, advertising or marketing of scat/fecal
matter,
person to person watersports, and/or a woman's period or menstruation.

Incest
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references to
sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their
marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom; in all mediums including
Hentai or animations. [my bolds again]
============================(END)



The one I worry about is the "forced" sex. Most of my stories there involve reluctance, and I'm afraid it might fall under the proscription.

The one Lit has to worry about is incest, which is pretty strictly forbidden.

See, this is how it works. The government takes a position, and suddenly the money people - the credit card companies, the banks and investors - get cold feet and start withrdrawing from the market rather than risk a courst challenge and all that hassle. They don't have to make it illegal to stifle it.

No legal challenge, no day in court, nothing noble about free speech. They just scare these guys in their wallets and they pack up and run screaming.

---dr.M.

 

[Lovepotion69]

Bodily Excretions
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references
involving the content of, advertising or marketing of scat/fecal
matter, person to person watersports, and/or a woman's period or menstruation.

Ok, I can understand that they're careful and forbidding the other categories, but why would they formid this one? I'm not into this stuff, but I just find it weird to include this category. Heck, if it hadn't been for the fact the email was from a BDSM site, I would imagine the site forbidding BDSM stories/drawings too!

So basically everyone is expected to get their kicks from "regular" sex?

 

[Brinnie]

We Interupt This Thread To Bring You This Important Bulletin From Our Sponsors:

DENVER - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.

The U.S. District Court in Denver will hold a preliminary injunction hearing on August 8, 2005, after which the judge will determine whether to issue a further injunction...

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=231539

Over the course of the next few months, there will be continuing proceedings, so the Free Speech Coalition still needs your help. So keep those banners up until this all blows over. And if you don't already have one, have at it:

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[Bacteriophage68]

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[Brinnie]

ATTENTION!​

Those of you using my Photobucket to host your Free Speech Coalition banners, might noticed we've killed my bandwidth.

It's not all your fault, I've got em on other boards too. So I made an album just for Literotica:
http://photobucket.com/albums/a198/literotica/

Let's get those updated.
Need any help, drop me a line.

 

[Brinnie]

For Those of You Seeking a Truly FREE Alternative:


I am pleased to announce that Mr. Ketkun (Ryan) has donated 150 GB Bandwidth, 3.8 Storage + Cpanel to our cause.

There will be much development over the next couple weeks.
We still need a vBulltein license, a spiffy domain, as well as a great staff so don't be afraid to PM me if you'd like to volunteer.

 

[bennmorland85]

Here are two of my reactions.

One / Two

 

[Luv2GetUWet]

Bump!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

This is from an e-mail I got today from a pay BDSM site I write for:
================================

Another thing I want to say is about what content is allowed on this
site. Due to the recent enforcement of new law related to adult sites,
the credit card company is changing their policy too. This is not
really
a matter of legitimacy because the new restriction includes legal
content. So this is just a matter of compliance with the new credit
card
processing policy. [my bolds--dr.M.]

Below I listed the content that are not allowed. I know it will not
allow your imagination going wild, but still there are plenty of
bdsm-related topics around for your next story.

Thank you very much for your attention.


-----------------------------------------------------------
Underage (Provocative and/or Non-Provocative)
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references to
Underage (Provocative and/or Non-Provocative); including Hentai or
animations.

Bestiality
------------------------------------------------------------
Actual or implied sexual acts between humans and animals in all mediums
including Hentai or animations. It is a violation if any marketing or
advertising to and from sites containing this content.

Sexual acts between men and/or women in the presence of animals are
acceptable, contingent that the animals are not included in the sexual
acts, unless the marketing of the site infers bestiality; in all
mediums
including Hentai or animations.

Rape
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references and
marketing of rape, involuntary sex or forced sex; in all mediums
including Hentai or animations.

Bodily Excretions
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references
involving the content of, advertising or marketing of scat/fecal
matter,
person to person watersports, and/or a woman's period or menstruation.

Incest
------------------------------------------------------------
Any and all depictions and/or actual occurrences and/or references to
sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their
marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom; in all mediums including
Hentai or animations. [my bolds again]
============================(END)



The one I worry about is the "forced" sex. Most of my stories there involve reluctance, and I'm afraid it might fall under the proscription.

The one Lit has to worry about is incest, which is pretty strictly forbidden.

See, this is how it works. The government takes a position, and suddenly the money people - the credit card companies, the banks and investors - get cold feet and start withrdrawing from the market rather than risk a courst challenge and all that hassle. They don't have to make it illegal to stifle it.

No legal challenge, no day in court, nothing noble about free speech. They just scare these guys in their wallets and they pack up and run screaming.

---dr.M.

You hit the nail on the head Doc. It isn't designed to be enforceable. it's designed to be a club rathe than a scalpal. the US AG has an unlimited budget and nothing better to do with his time. He gets his check no matter what litigation is befor the court and he can afford to draw it out forever.

In this case, the threat of it is more useful to the progrom than the actual use.

 

[Blavek]

Bumpomatic so no one forgets to fight the good fight

 

[unregiѕtered01]

A new federal law in the United States has the entire pornography industry worried


Losing Sight of Freedom

 

[ezlikepeye]

early morning bump

 

[Brinnie]

Free Speech Coalition Raises Nearly $100k To Help Fight For Literotica Posting Rights

Canoga Park, Ca. – With aproximately 100 contestants, tonight, the Free Speech Coalition Raised $50,000 - $100,000 at our 5th Annual Bob Tremont Memorial Golf Tournament and our 18th Annual “Night of the Stars” fundraiser. Then they proceeded to party the night away with the people and companies who devote so much to protect our First Amendment rights...

A complete list of the winners is available at freespeechcoalition.com/calendar


The FSC also once again expresses its thanks to the evening’s award winners, and to everyone who contributed - through sponsorships, ads, or by just attending. But be advised the injunction hearing is only 8 days away and the FSC needs your support now more than ever. So grab a banner for your sig. [link]

Thanks. ​