So there you have it, the true face of Israel...

[p_p_man]

So there you have it. Sharon's own party, the Likud, voted yesterday never to allow the creation of a Palestian State.

This is the true face of Zionism and until there's an election and the extremists are kicked out, the true face of Israel.

So all you Sharon supporters, what say you now?

Is Sharon's war still self defence against a terrorist threat or is it in reality a war of occupation?

At a moment when Sharon, bowing under pressure from America and the rest of the world, has called off the planned incursion into the Gaza Strip, his own party decides to openly fly the flag of extremism.

The vote is certainly going to make it harder for Washington to "build on the current military lull and to begin serious political negotiations toward a Middle East settlement." (NYTimes

And the vote is bound to "anger the Arab world by suggesting that Palestinians should not expect a state to emerge from negotiations with Israel, and thereby giving an advantage to those groups, like the radical Palestinian movement Hamas, which argue for continued armed struggle." (NYTimes)

The vote is "a real slap in the face" for President Bush, who has spoken in favor of a Palestinian state" (NYTimes)

Now I'm looking forward to all those posters who supported Sharon to come forward and explain how they think the Likud Party is on the side of right...

But to show you I bear no real malice here's a bit of background information to the vote:

"The Likud Party vote tonight was orchestrated by Mr. Sharon's rival, the former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who wants to lead the party into elections. Mr. Netanyahu had bet on the Sharon government lasting only a few months, and he remains popular within Likud, taking a stance even further to the right of Mr. Sharon's and calling for the expulsion or elimination of Mr. Arafat." (NYTimes"

ppman

 

[bluespoke]

So there you have it. Sharon's own party, the Likud, voted yesterday never to allow the creation of a Palestian State.

This is the true face of Zionism and until there's an election and the extremists are kicked out, the true face of Israel.

So all you Sharon supporters, what say you now?

Is Sharon's war still self defence against a terrorist threat or is it in reality a war of occupation?

At a moment when Sharon, bowing under pressure from America and the rest of the world, has called off the planned incursion into the Gaza Strip, his own party decides to openly fly the flag of extremism.

The vote is certainly going to make it harder for Washington to "build on the current military lull and to begin serious political negotiations toward a Middle East settlement." (NYTimes

And the vote is bound to "anger the Arab world by suggesting that Palestinians should not expect a state to emerge from negotiations with Israel, and thereby giving an advantage to those groups, like the radical Palestinian movement Hamas, which argue for continued armed struggle." (NYTimes)

The vote is "a real slap in the face" for President Bush, who has spoken in favor of a Palestinian state" (NYTimes)

Now I'm looking forward to all those posters who supported Sharon to come forward and explain how they think the Likud Party is on the side of right...

But to show you I bear no real malice here's a bit of background information to the vote:

"The Likud Party vote tonight was orchestrated by Mr. Sharon's rival, the former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who wants to lead the party into elections. Mr. Netanyahu had bet on the Sharon government lasting only a few months, and he remains popular within Likud, taking a stance even further to the right of Mr. Sharon's and calling for the expulsion or elimination of Mr. Arafat." (NYTimes"

ppman

Listening to the news last night, the commentator remarked that the decision was unlikely to have any effect on any peace process, that it was only a statement of intent rather than a commitment of goverment policy. The commentator also doubted whether Sharon would need to be bound by such a decision. A bit like your view of the the PLO charter!

In addition it was well known that Sharon was against a vote taking place on this issue as he knew Netanyahu would win and use as a platform for election.

What you have to remember is that although Likud voted this way they are not a majority government, they are part of a coalition and will have to recognise the views of their partners.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: So there you have it, the true face of Israel...

Listening to the news last night, the commentator remarked that the decision was unlikely to have any effect on any peace process, that it was only a statement of intent rather than a commitment of goverment policy. The commentator also doubted whether Sharon would need to be bound by such a decision. A bit like your view of the the PLO charter!

In addition it was well known that Sharon was against a vote taking place on this issue as he knew Netanyahu would win and use as a platform for election.

What you have to remember is that although Likud voted this way they are not a majority government, they are part of a coalition and will have to recognise the views of their partners.

All true but it doesn't get away from the fact that it indicates the true viewpont of Sharon's Party. All the killings of the past month being gift wrapped as self-defence againsy terrorism has now been shown, as many of us had already concluded, to be nothing but a pack of lies.

If it hadn't been for external pressure Sharon would still be in there all guns blazing...

As you say they run a coalition but even if the other major party, the Labour Party, leaves, the coalition would still be able to provide government with the support of a few extremist minority religious parties.

Parties who are more than likely to follow Likud's lead.

ppman

 

[KillerMuffin]

I read it at Reuters last night. I wasn't surprised. Men are power hungry. Once they have domain over land they are not going to want to give it up easily. Jews are no different than anyone else.

I'm sorry Blue, but I believe you're wrong. The Likud has harmed the peace process because the contention is over land. They will not allow the Palestinians to have any of it so the Palestinians will continue to fight against them.

From Reuters:

"European officials also said it would harm the search for peace and the United States, Israel's strongest ally, reiterated that it supported an eventual Palestinian state. "

http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnews&StoryID=950218

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: Re: So there you have it, the true face of Israel...

All true but it doesn't get away from the fact that it indicates the true viewpont of Sharon's Party. All the killings of the past month being gift wrapped as self-defence againsy terrorism has now been shown, as many of us had already concluded, to be nothing but a pack of lies.

If it hadn't been for external pressure Sharon would still be in there all guns blazing...

As you say they run a coalition but even if the other major party, the Labour Party, leaves, the coalition would still be able to provide government with the support of a few extremist minority religious parties.

Parties who are more than likely to follow Likud's lead.

ppman

This may be the viewpoint of his party but it is not his view. I don't want to be seen to defend the ass but he was against this being raised in the first place.

If Likud gets into bed with the extreme minority parties (which they are reluctant to do) then they may just lose the next election. Its not just no Palestinian homeland that those parties will demand. They will want to turn Israel into an extreme religious state. A real election loser.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: So there you have it, the true face of Israel...

This may be the viewpoint of his party but it is not his view. I don't want to be seen to defend the ass but he was against this being raised in the first place.

Again true.

But I contend it is Sharon's viewpont. Otherwise he would never be the leader of a party which has always declared that there is no place in Palestine for the two states.

The only reason he's backpedalled at the moment is because of the external pressure he's been experiencing.

I reckon America after that slap in the face she received during Powell's visit, has started raising the ante. And with Bush cosying up to Crown Prince Mohammed recently Sharon has to make noises about peace negotiations.

Even going as far as saying that he thought the formation of a State of Palestine was inevitable.

Now that's a new one I hadn't heard before today.

But then that's why I think it's all window dressing. At the moment Sharon has been kicked in the teeth by his own party. But that is an internal stategic move by Netanyahu. Behind it all they still all think that the destruction or the expulsion of the Palestinians is the only solution.

ppman

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So there you have it, the true face of Israel...

Again true.

But I contend it is Sharon's viewpont. Otherwise he would never be the leader of a party which has always declared that there is no place in Palestine for the two states.

The only reason he's backpedalled at the moment is because of the external pressure he's been experiencing.

I reckon America after that slap in the face she received during Powell's visit, has started raising the ante. And with Bush cosying up to Crown Prince Mohammed recently Sharon has to make noises about peace negotiations.

Even going as far as saying that he thought the formation of a State of Palestine was inevitable.

Now that's a new one I hadn't heard before today.

But then that's why I think it's all window dressing. At the moment Sharon has been kicked in the teeth by his own party. But that is an internal stategic move by Netanyahu. Behind it all they still all think that the destruction or the expulsion of the Palestinians is the only solution.

ppman

An election will be interesting. Netanyahu is even more firmly entrenched in the no Palestinan state camp. If he gets in then there is going to be hell to pay.

The great paradox here is the Israeli people themselves. Over 50% of them supported their goverments incursions into the the Palestinian areas but an even greater number support the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Will Israelis support 'Gentle Ben', as he was once known, knowing that he will never accede to their wishes?

Sorry KM, I missed your earlier post. I was only repeating the thoughts of a commentator on the peace process. My own view is that at the moment there is no peace process to be affected. Unless Israel turns away from Likud and the extreme right, then there is not likely to be a peace process in the near future.

 

[Guest]

hehe...

 

[bluespoke]

Re: hehe...

In the end the jews will be shattered. hehehe.

1 Billion versus 6 Million.

We will hands down.Its not a fair contest.

Its all about the numbers.

So hey - I'm cool.
Just wait till the islamic state is created once more.

Even you westerners are gonna shudder in fear Lol
hehehehehe

You left last week. What are you doing back?

It is not about numbers. It is about hardware. You lose.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: hehe...

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: Re: hehe...

Hehe Im still going. its a long goodbye.

Idiot. let me tell you something. We have Nuclear weapons, We have a greater army. We have greater Unity. And as soon as we form the islamic state proper...yer days are numbered moron.

Plus, we will not be satisfyed just by crushing you, we will go after all westerners, either they will be converted, bow to islamic law or it is the sword for them!!

We will shatter western democracy and all western thought that pervade this world.
Yes, westerners have been expoiting and oppressing us for eons, it will be time for us to do Allah's bidding and crush this oppressor once and for all. that is the real prize.

Watch out for the creation of the first islamic state proper in Pakistan!!

Hehehe it is only a matter of time hehehehe
jews aint worth thinking about too much. they shall be easily disposed.
I dont hate jews. I just wish they didnt exist.
Jews have lived in Syria (a muslim ajority country) for thousands of years, fearing no one). where else can jews live in peace and harmony.
Ofcourse an islamic state guaranteeing them a safe place and to be treated justly under islamic law (sharia).

You are living in a dream world.

 

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[KillerMuffin]

Your an idiot Yoyotwat. You murder your women. We arm ours.

• Sex-selective abortion (son preference) to prevent the birth of girls, resulting in a “missing” population of girl children. In China, the number of male births per 100 female births increased from 108 in 1986 to 109.7 in 19911 and is estimated to be close to 120 today (the norm is 105 female births per 100 male births).
• Female infanticide and differential access to food and medical care for girl infants. In a baseline study conducted in Narangwal, India, pre-intervention data indicated that boys were breastfed longer, had higher levels of nutritional intake, were taller and heavier, and received medical care more quickly than girls.
• Child marriage. A 1993 study of 5,000 women in the state of Rajasthan in India revealed that 56 percent had married before age 15; 17 percent before age 10.
• Female genital cutting (FGC) and other harmful traditional practices. Between 85 and 115 million women and girls, most of whom live in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, have undergone female genital cutting; every year, 2 million more undergo the procedure.
• Dating and courtship violence (e.g., acid throwing, date rape, etc.). In 1999, in Bangladesh, there were 168 reported acid attacks against women, up from 117 in 1997.
• HIV/AIDS infection as the result of unwanted and unprotected sex. In parts of Africa and India, young women are coerced into having unprotected sex with older men in exchange for school fees or other economic resources. The men also seek out younger girls in the belief that they may not yet be infected with HIV and are therefore “safe” partners.
• Trafficking in girls. Each year, an estimated 1 to 2 million girls and young women are trafficked around the world for forced labor, domestic servitude or sexual exploitation. An estimated 500,000 are trafficked out of countries of Eastern Europe and the CIS.
• Physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Worldwide, an average of one in every three women has experienced violence in an intimate relationship. In Egypt, 35 percent of women report having been beaten by their husband during their marriage.
• Marital rape; dowry abuse and dowry murders; “honor killings.” In 1999, in Pakistan, the human rights com- mission reported more than 1,000 women were victims of “honor killings;” in 1998, in Jordan, the Public Security Department reported 20 “honor killings.” In 1998, in India, 5,500 dowry murders were reported (hundreds more were reported as “accidents” or suicides); convictions of the perpetrators were handed down in only 35 percent of the cases.

 

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[Guest]

 

[bluespoke]

EVERY1, PLEASE FORGIVE KM. SHE IS TALKING CRAP AS USUAL.

SORRY, SHE GETS ALMOST ALL HER INFORMATION FOM THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER LOL

The only person talking crap, as usual, is you. Anyone opposes you and you call then jewish and racist. I am neither. You are a fucktard!

 

[Guest]

 

[His_kitty]

Typical. saying he is jew one minute and then lying and saying he is never a jew.
typical scheming jewish liar who is also a racist!

Gawd help me here for even trying to point out the obvious.

Everyone is racist with the exception of you? The person who is talking about annihilating people of Jewish descent, not to mention Westerners.

Originally posted by yayati

In the end the jews will be shattered. hehehe

btw .... When the hell are ya leaving? I sure would hate to keep you from spreading your shite somewhere else.

 

[bluespoke]

Typical. saying he is jew one minute and then lying and saying he is never a jew.
typical scheming jewish liar who is also a racist!

Show me one place where I said I was Jewish.

There is nowhere. I repeat you are a fucktard!

 

[KillerMuffin]

Yoyotwat comes and goes. You can't argue with him on his post level because he's so utterly ethno-centric that his race could give everyone Eubola and it would be a "good" thing to him. He doesn't recognize logic as it applies to him, nor does he understand the concept of legitimacy beyond people who are exactly like he is. He's even caste-centric.

He's a doctoral dissertation in one person.

 

[miles]

yayati

Your prescription is ready. We doubled the dosage.

 

[Guest]

Hi, I post as Miles, I like to gouge out my eyes with my 1inch stump weiner which I repeatedly ramm into my eye sockets again and again. I love skullfucking myself heeeeeeeeee It is so much fun!! Any arab or american guys here want a free blowjob? I love white skin and I have an inferiority complex, I hate being an Jew, and I think all jewi are negros. I am especially jealous of the superior intelligence of indians heeeeeeeeeee man I love blowing cockk heeeeeeee !!

 

[Guest]

 

[metal_minx]

HEH THIS BLUESPOKE IS ONE RACIST A$$HOLE!!!

14/88 LMFAO

 

[His_kitty]

Gawd help me here for even trying to point out the obvious.

Everyone is racist with the exception of you? The person who is talking about annihilating people of Jewish descent, not to mention Westerners.



btw .... When the hell are ya leaving? I sure would hate to keep you from spreading your shite somewhere else.

Lol ... After reading this over, I fail to see that I said *hate* anywhere.

Which is the only thing I'm even going to attempt to touch on, in all that bullshit you spouted. I do appreciate the chuckle your comeback gave to me though, I needed it.