So someone please show me...

[Comshaw]

...the proof. We have states passing multiple voter laws. I have no problem with some, such as an ID to register to vote. That only makes sense. Of course along with that law should be one to make it so people can get an ID. Some (even in this day and age) as noted in other posts don't have a birth certificate but none the less were born here and are citizens. That kind of situation needs to be and should be addressed. Some of those laws however are blatant attempts at voter suppression.

Be that as it may, all these laws have been passed using one hot button mantra, "election integrity". That particular phrase is being used because, even though they do not wish to voice it, the majority of the Republican politicians in the states passing these laws do so for one of two reasons: 1) they still believe the election was "stolen" from Trump, 2) They know it wasn't but also know they need to tweak the election process to give their party a chance at being elected.

In the second the only argument that can be made is that "fair elections" should be the overriding idea. EVERYONE eligible should be able to vote, whether they vote Republican or Democrat or any other party. There should be no law allowed that limits or eliminates the vote from a legal, eligible voter. NONE! If one party finds itself in a hole with voters, rather than suppressing the vote for the other party, they should try to win the voters to their platform. Novel idea huh?

As to the first reason (the election was "stolen") all the lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign over that issue were thrown out of court for lack of evidence. ALL of them. Now unless you're a total Qanon braindead dumb ass you have to admit that if every one of them were dismissed, by different judges appointed by both conservative and liberal administrations, then there had to be no or insufficient evidence to go forward.

So now here we are. It's been 156 days since the presidential election. Has anyone uncovered evidence of voter fraud at a level that would have swayed the election? Anyone? Anywhere? Anyhow? If not WHY NOT? If it were that pervasive, that blatant, someone should have found something somewhere to prove that allegation.

If it did happen and no one has come forward with evidence it did, why not? Are the perpetrators so clever they can't be caught? Are the ones looking for the evidence so inept they couldn't see it if it bit them on the ass? Or is it just...not...there?

If there is ANY proof I'd like to see it because our elections should not be tweaked by ANYONE from EITHER SIDE.

Comshaw

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

I can't put my hands on it right now, but there's a list floating around, showing about eight states that OFFICIALLY counted & reported MANY more votes than they had registered voters. Add to that, that not normally not even close to 100% of registered voters actually vote. So yes, there is a large discrepancy.

But I did come up with this on short notice, and that was even before the dust settled and more facts came to light.

https://standupamericaus.org/comple...s-errors-fraud-of-2020-presidential-election/

 

[Comshaw]

I can't put my hands on it right now, but there's a list floating around, showing about eight states that OFFICIALLY counted & reported MANY more votes than they had registered voters. Add to that, that not normally not even close to 100% of registered voters actually vote. So yes, there is a large discrepancy.

But I did come up with this on short notice, and that was even before the dust settled and more facts came to light.

https://standupamericaus.org/comple...s-errors-fraud-of-2020-presidential-election/

After reading through the entire article you cited I found only a couple of REAL VERIFIABLE voter fraud examples (the 2 from California). The rest were "suspected" voter fraud, in other words, no evidence just a WAG it happened.

The article cites a lawsuit by Trump from December of last year that was thrown out for LACK OF EVIDENCE. There was a lot of claims in the article but as I noted no VERIFIABLE cites that ANY of it was true and factual.

Please, let's see some real evidence, not speculation, enuendo or WAG's.

Comshaw

 

[CornusKousa]

We have states passing multiple voter laws.

If there is ANY proof I'd like to see it because our elections should not be tweaked by ANYONE from EITHER SIDE.

Comshaw

Take your "proof" and blow it out your anti-Democracy ass bitch.

States have the right to regulate their own elections, that was made SUPER-fuckin-clear in the 2020 elections.

If you don't like it, don't go living in a state run by people you don't like and who fucking hate you.

 

[Dribble]

There is none. Fascist traitors didn't like losing so they will do anything to impede free and fair elections. They are passing laws without evidence of fraud. It won't matter...we have enough time to work around their attempts....and they will lose again

 

[RobDownSouth]

After reading through the entire article you cited I found only a couple of REAL VERIFIABLE voter fraud examples (the 2 from California). The rest were "suspected" voter fraud, in other words, no evidence just a WAG it happened.

The article cites a lawsuit by Trump from December of last year that was thrown out for LACK OF EVIDENCE. There was a lot of claims in the article but as I noted no VERIFIABLE cites that ANY of it was true and factual.

Please, let's see some real evidence, not speculation, enuendo or WAG's.

Comshaw

That link is a compilation of Teh Airing Of Teh Grievances. I particularly enjoyed all the "dead" people in Georgia who voted. Many were interviewed on the news. The two bozos who made the specious GA claims backpedaled faster than a Korean-American infantryman in a combat zone.

 

[phrodeau]

Stacey Abrams’ election lawsuit made it into the courts, and Donald Trump’s didn’t.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I can't put my hands on it right now, but there's a list floating around, showing about eight states that OFFICIALLY counted & reported MANY more votes than they had registered voters. Add to that, that not normally not even close to 100% of registered voters actually vote. So yes, there is a large discrepancy.

But I did come up with this on short notice, and that was even before the dust settled and more facts came to light.

https://standupamericaus.org/comple...s-errors-fraud-of-2020-presidential-election/

So you're saying trump's numbers are way lower than what we've been told? Interesting.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

That link is a compilation of Teh Airing Of Teh Grievances. I particularly enjoyed all the "dead" people in Georgia who voted. Many were interviewed on the news. The two bozos who made the specious GA claims backpedaled faster than a Korean-American infantryman in a combat zone.

Lol...

 

[Wrong Element]

The problem with the Republican argument that "we need these laws because so many people distrust the election results" is the circularity of it: they distrust the results because the leaders they believe have told them to distrust the results. An untrustworthy election is defined as one where Republicans lose.

Trump made this explicit in 2016, where he basically said that "Yeah, I was calling the election rigged ahead of time in case I lost. But then I won, so I guess it was fair after all."

 

[CornusKousa]

The problem with the Republican argument that "we need these laws because so many people distrust the election results" is the circularity of it: they distrust the results because the leaders they believe have told them to distrust the results. An untrustworthy election is defined as one where Republicans lose.

Trump made this explicit in 2016, where he basically said that "Yeah, I was calling the election rigged ahead of time in case I lost. But then I won, so I guess it was fair after all."

No, there is no problem.

We won GA, you lost, we get to run it, you can fuck off. The end.

 

[Dribble]

Still no proof.

Any state that wants to restrict votes....should have ALL Federal funding stopped. And I mean ALL. Easiest way to do this is pass a Constitutional Amendment allowing states to leave. Republican states as a whole are a drain to the Federal Govt. They take more than they put in. They can figure out how to pay for the money they get if they want it.

 

[Comshaw]

Take your "proof" and blow it out your anti-Democracy ass bitch.

States have the right to regulate their own elections, that was made SUPER-fuckin-clear in the 2020 elections.

If you don't like it, don't go living in a state run by people you don't like and who fucking hate you.

I've had this guy on ignore for a very long time, but every once in a while I check one of his posts (as I do with everyone I have on ignore) to remind myself why I put him there in the first place.

Have you ever had a rat cornered where they couldn't escape and then poke them with a stick? They snarl and snap and carry on like they're going to tear you a new asshole. Which is funny 'cause you know you can crush the nasty little fucker with one stomp.

This post from BB kinda' reminds me of a rat in a corner, no way out, no way to legitimately defend what he's been spouting, so he falls back on ineffectually snarling and snapping like he still has a serious valid point to argue. Me thinks it calls for more pokes with that virtual stick of truth. :caning:


Comshaw

 

[CandK_inSE]

I don't think there's necessarily any proof of actual massive vote fraud. I don't think there can be without a detailed forensic analysis which would take years to conduct.

There is certainly circumstantial evidence pointing to statistical anomalies with voter turnout. Nothing though actually proves any widespread fraud.

There is evidence of vote results massively swinging early in morning. Again, not necessarily proof of fraud.

There are precincts in Michigan that do not balance. That has been a problem in Michigan for decades. Incompetent people run precincts and they're allowed to get away with it. Any improper totals though, do not add up to changing the result of the election. Michigan though, is going to attempt to clean up it's own house.

Republicans did win 27 contested House seats and didn't lose one they were defending.

Republicans outperformed in most state and local elections as well.

There's certainly enough there for Republicans to be concerned about cheating.

What seems to have happened is that Biden (not Democrats) pulled an inside straight and took advantage of relaxed voting rules in battleground states. It seems as if millions of voters just voted for Biden and left everything else blank. It is a massive statistical anomaly, but most likely not fraud.

And the idiocy from Powell, Wood, and Trump caused enough Georgia voters not to show up on January 5th, and we get the two Democrats elected. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[adrina]

Question for anyone who thinks/believes/feels that there may have been/was for sure election fraud in regards to Trump losing:

Are you really surprised that the president with the lowest approval ratings and highest disapproval ratings lost? Are you really surprised that the majority of Americans were turned off by his divisiveness and rhetoric?

Are you really?

 

[CornusKousa]

I've had this guy on ignore for a very long time, but every once in a while I check one of his posts (as I do with everyone I have on ignore) to remind myself why I put him there in the first place.

Have you ever had a rat cornered where they couldn't escape and then poke them with a stick? They snarl and snap and carry on like they're going to tear you a new asshole. Which is funny 'cause you know you can crush the nasty little fucker with one stomp.

This post from BB kinda' reminds me of a rat in a corner, no way out, no way to legitimately defend what he's been spouting, so he falls back on ineffectually snarling and snapping like he still has a serious valid point to argue. Me thinks it calls for more pokes with that virtual stick of truth. :caning:


Comshaw

Bitch is mad he got called out being an anti-democracy piece of shit hypocrite.

I don't have to defend it, agree with it or support it. For the record I don't.

I just have to respect democracy enough to allow the people of Georgia who elected their state government to run their state how they see fit. Same as the Californians and Texans and....and that makes me and most other Republicans a bigger support of democracy that most Democrats.

 

[CandK_inSE]

Question for anyone who thinks/believes/feels that there may have been/was for sure election fraud in regards to Trump losing:

Are you really surprised that the president with the lowest approval ratings and highest disapproval ratings lost? Are you really surprised that the majority of Americans were turned off by his divisiveness and rhetoric?

Are you really?

Speaking as a 50 year old economic conservative, what surprised me was that people would give up a sub 4% pre-COVID unemployment rate, the largest growth in personal income, no new wars and pulling troops out of ridiculously long ones, and the first actual period of true economic growth attributed to making things over mean tweets and a hostile personality. Especially when the opponent is appearing to suffer from early onset dementia and has repeatedly stated that he's going to raise taxes and attempt to radically change American life, and had been rejected twice before for being a lying scumbag.

It shocks me as a child of the end of the Cold War than so many are willing to embrace full on socialism because they didn't like the personality in the White House.

That's not to say that Trump was a conservative by any measure. His spending was as out of control as Obama's.

Does it surprise me that people were angry at Trump for the rhetoric? Not at all. What surprises me is that they replaced Trump with an even bigger lying asshole.

 

[adrina]

Speaking as a 50 year old economic conservative, what surprised me was that people would give up a sub 4% pre-COVID unemployment rate, the largest growth in personal income, no new wars and pulling troops out of ridiculously long ones, and the first actual period of true economic growth attributed to making things over mean tweets and a hostile personality. Especially when the opponent is appearing to suffer from early onset dementia and has repeatedly stated that he's going to raise taxes and attempt to radically change American life, and had been rejected twice before for being a lying scumbag.

It shocks me as a child of the end of the Cold War than so many are willing to embrace full on socialism because they didn't like the personality in the White House.

That's not to say that Trump was a conservative by any measure. His spending was as out of control as Obama's.

Does it surprise me that people were angry at Trump for the rhetoric? Not at all. What surprises me is that they replaced Trump with an even bigger lying asshole.

Do you not recognize your own partisanship and rhetoric?

And that really wasn't an answer as much of a screed.

 

[Lazaran]

Speaking as a 50 year old economic conservative, what surprised me was that people would give up a sub 4% pre-COVID unemployment rate, the largest growth in personal income, no new wars and pulling troops out of ridiculously long ones, and the first actual period of true economic growth attributed to making things over mean tweets and a hostile personality. Especially when the opponent is appearing to suffer from early onset dementia and has repeatedly stated that he's going to raise taxes and attempt to radically change American life, and had been rejected twice before for being a lying scumbag.

It shocks me as a child of the end of the Cold War than so many are willing to embrace full on socialism because they didn't like the personality in the White House.

That's not to say that Trump was a conservative by any measure. His spending was as out of control as Obama's.

Does it surprise me that people were angry at Trump for the rhetoric? Not at all. What surprises me is that they replaced Trump with an even bigger lying asshole.

Have you been in a coma for the past five years???

Trump took over a stable and improving economy from the Obama Biden administration that mitigated the Bush II Great Recession, and proceeded to make the wealthy even wealthier, while adding 7.8 trillion to the national debt with minimal upward movement for the middle class and the poor.

The healthcare plan that was going to be "easy" and be better and cheaper than the ACA??? Never happened.

The "wall" that Mexico was going to pay for??? Never happened.

Covid response??? Trump lied, and his cavalier attitude made things worse.

Draining the swamp??? LMFAO. Trump was the king swamp rat of DC.

Packing the Supreme Court??? Trump and Republicans accused Democrats of WANTING to do it, while they actually did it through their hypocritical actions.

Foreign policy??? Our allies don't trust us and our adversaries are emboldened.

Race relations??? GMAFB.Trump made things far worse

Unity??? Same.

Fomenting insurrection??? Trump's big lie threatened democracy.

Trump was rightfully impeached; twice.

Trump is still dealing with multiple claims of sexual assault and financial/tax improprieties.

And that's ALL before you consider his buffoonery that embarrassed the country on a daily basis, destroying America's standing in the world.

The only thing worse than Trump, is a person who would vote for him considering all of the above.

 

[CandK_inSE]

Do you not recognize your own partisanship and rhetoric?

And that really wasn't an answer as much of a screed.

You asked for an honest opinion.

I said that I'm not surprised that people voted against Trump for the reasons you stated. Trump is divisive. Even if you happen to like something he says, I can certainly understand why someone else wouldn't.

However I am surprised that, in my opinion, people voted for someone maybe "nicer on paper", but maybe much worse for the country. Sorry I have a partisan opinion on it.

And, I actually DO believe that people DID vote against Trump, but not necessarily against the Republican Party. It's fishy, but I DO NOT believe there was any widespread fraud.

 

[adrina]

You asked for an honest opinion.

I said that I'm not surprised that people voted against Trump for the reasons you stated. Trump is divisive. Even if you happen to like something he says, I can certainly understand why someone else wouldn't.

However I am surprised that, in my opinion, people voted for someone maybe "nicer on paper", but maybe much worse for the country. Sorry I have a partisan opinion on it.

And, I actually DO believe that people DID vote against Trump, but not necessarily against the Republican Party. It's fishy, but I DO NOT believe there was any widespread fraud.

The problem is that you seem to have based your opinion around partisan rhetoric.

The lesson is that while money is an important thing, it is not the most important thing. Getting rid of a fascist anti-American traitor like Trump took precedence over "it's the economy, stupid".

 

[RobDownSouth]

The problem is that you seem to have based your opinion around partisan rhetoric.

The lesson is that while money is an important thing, it is not the most important thing. Getting rid of a fascist anti-American traitor like Trump took precedence over "it's the economy, stupid".

The "profits before people" Glibertarian mindset.

Remember years back (2011) when Glibertarian AJ bragged about not having health insurance?

No, I don't have health insurance; I have cash (and gold; the wife went into silver).

Then, hoooo-haa! Our Glibertarian had the double whammy of viral pneumonia and atrial fibrillation as a result of poor lifestyle choices. Cash went *poof* and AJ and his worksquaw had to make a visit to bankruptcy court!

 

[Champakian]

It is amusing seeing how vociferously Democrats demand that
no actions should be taken to protect the validity of the vote...


They seem to have a vested interest in lax voting law.

 

[WillJ8787]

Speaking as a 50 year old economic conservative, what surprised me was that people would give up a sub 4% pre-COVID unemployment rate, the largest growth in personal income, no new wars and pulling troops out of ridiculously long ones, and the first actual period of true economic growth attributed to making things over mean tweets and a hostile personality. Especially when the opponent is appearing to suffer from early onset dementia and has repeatedly stated that he's going to raise taxes and attempt to radically change American life, and had been rejected twice before for being a lying scumbag.

It shocks me as a child of the end of the Cold War than so many are willing to embrace full on socialism because they didn't like the personality in the White House.

That's not to say that Trump was a conservative by any measure. His spending was as out of control as Obama's.

Does it surprise me that people were angry at Trump for the rhetoric? Not at all. What surprises me is that they replaced Trump with an even bigger lying asshole.

Gotta love assessments like this...so Bobo.

Well, I'm still running my company, making lots of money, free to do what ever I want even after the so called "Socialist" have won everything this year in politics.

where's the Beef, I mean socialism?

 

[adrina]

It is amusing seeing how vociferously Democrats demand that
no actions should be taken to protect the validity of the vote...


They seem to have a vested interest in lax voting law.

It would be nice to see a bit of evidence to support one shred of any voter fraud that would merit investigation. Ya know instead of paranoia and hurt feelings.