So, now what really can be done.

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As a progressive/populist, I'm aware that many of us are seen as unrealistic dreamers, but that's not the truth at all. What we are is willing to fight for what we want. Yes, there are limits, especially with a Senate GOP majority, a Speaker who sucks up to Wall Street, and a President-elect who has vowed that "nothing will fundamentally change." That doesn't mean that you give up on anything beyond incremental change.

So, what can be done?

Well, there are things that Biden can do by executive order, but that has both practical and constitutional limits. What he can do is prove us wrong about his ability to schmooze just enough Republicans and pry them loose from Mitch McConnell to get a few tie-breaking votes and make damn sure that Kamala isn't bought off to vote the wrong way. On stimulus. On a living wage. On a public option, if at all possible.

But, realistically, it will require the efforts of a larger progressive caucus that will be a larger percentage of a shrunken House Democratic majority (unlike in 2018, progressives outperformed moderates this time around), a takeover by these progressives of key leadership roles in the caucus, a mobilized union and youth presence on the streets, and state, local action by Governors, legislatures, mayors, etc. to enact progressive proposals where they have the votes. The sad state of Democratic down ballot elections will make that harder, but there were some victories.

Roy Cooper being re-elected as Governor of North Carolina is one key example of that. As Governor, he has a veto pen and he has whatever budget the legislature votes him. Without a line-item veto, though, it's gonna be tougher for him than most governors nationwide. But the veto pen can be a cudgel used to pressure Republican legislators to meet him halfway at least.

There is no excuse for Governors like Gavin Newsom and Ralph Northam, with supermajorities on their side in the legislatures, not to get more done for their constituents. The Republican parties in both states are running on fumes and barely exist at a statewide level. This is a golden opportunity to shine by pushing through rent-control, eviction bans, unionization of workplaces, and a more progressive tax code. Maybe even a state public option in the Golden State.

But i'm not holding my breath, because they're more interested in symbolic than substantive reforms, definitely not on economics, to put it mildly. They need to be primaried and pressured until they yield. If the Feds won't dole out more, tax the rich a bit more. They are still vastly undertaxed, even in California. They can and will pay more to contribute to a society that helped them acquire wealth in the first place. To whom much is given, much is also required.
 
Hey, relax for a couple of days. Party a little tonight.

Lighten up, Francis, because things have been especially tense lately.
 
In the first term? I will be happy un-doing the damage Trump did. Let's get back to where we were. But first things first...we need to give the tools our medical people need to fight this the best we can. Respirators. Beds. IVs. PPE. Staff help. We are in exponential growth of the virus...millions will die if this is not done. Biden understands this. Monday...he is forming a new Covid task force.
 
Hey, relax for a couple of days. Party a little tonight.

Lighten up, Francis, because things have been especially tense lately.

It would be easier to relax if I had the stimulus money to help buy some now legal weed here in AZ. :D
 
In the first term? I will be happy un-doing the damage Trump did. Let's get back to where we were. But first things first...we need to give the tools our medical people need to fight this the best we can. Respirators. Beds. IVs. PPE. Staff help. We are in exponential growth of the virus...millions will die if this is not done. Biden understands this. Monday...he is forming a new Covid task force.

If he can also get Pelosi and Mitch to make a damn COVID stimulus deal, that would help, too. I doubt that he can do that by executive order like he can get the task force. It would help if our economy doesn't implode on his watch or in the last weeks of Trump.
 
Some cities are experimenting with UBI, so there's that. Get a whole state to do it and you'll have a real future for the residents there.

Governor Andrew Yang has a nice ring to it.
 
In the first term? I will be happy un-doing the damage Trump did. Let's get back to where we were. But first things first...we need to give the tools our medical people need to fight this the best we can. Respirators. Beds. IVs. PPE. Staff help. We are in exponential growth of the virus...millions will die if this is not done. Biden understands this. Monday...he is forming a new Covid task force.

Biden says he would shut down US to stop coronavirus
 
The next few steps, though, are:

1. A Stimulus deal, ASAP.
2. Elect Warnock.
3. Elect Ossoff.

All three will be tough, but maybe doable. Will the Collins voters go to Warnock or to Loeffler? That remains to be seen.

A 50-50 Senate wouldn't just be Harris breaking a lot of ties. It would mean Chairs of Committees and Subcommittees, judicial confirmations, ambassadorships, and a better chance for Puerto Rican statehood. You get statehood for Puerto Rico, and the Senate majority grows. Harris will finally be able to take a vacation or two.

Now, if a Republican or two crossed the aisle, that's another option, but who realistically would do that these days? Toomey? Unlikely. Murkowski? Somewhat better odds. If I had to pick a Republican likely to switch, it would be her. Romney? Not a chance in Hell. Utah is Mormon Central after all. And the LDS increasingly don't tolerate their folks voting blue.
 
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The next few steps, though, are:

1. A Stimulus deal, ASAP.
2. Elect Warnock.
3. Elect Ossoff.

All three will be tough, but maybe doable. Will the Collins voters go to Warnock or to Loeffler? That remains to be seen.

A 50-50 Senate wouldn't just be Harris breaking a lot of ties. It would mean Chairs of Committees and Subcommittees, judicial confirmations, ambassadorships, and a better chance for Puerto Rican statehood. You get statehood for Puerto Rico, and the Senate majority grows. Harris will finally be able to take a vacation or two.

Now, if a Republican or two crossed the aisle, that's another option, but who realistically would do that these days? Toomey? Unlikely. Murkowski? Somewhat better odds. If I had to pick a Republican likely to switch, it would be her. Romney? Not a chance in Hell. Utah is Mormon Central after all. And the LDS increasingly don't tolerate their folks voting blue.

Shakes head. You simply don't get it do you? When would Biden be sworn in? When will the Georgia runoff elections be held? The GOP is in charge. They are on record as saying they don't have the votes to advance the kind of stimulus deal you are talking about. There will be no stimulus.

As for electing new Georgia Senators...the best we will get is one...making it 51-49 GOP. It is what it is. Americans chose to keep Mitch in charge. Soundly. Be grateful for what we have.
 
Shakes head. You simply don't get it do you? When would Biden be sworn in? When will the Georgia runoff elections be held? The GOP is in charge. They are on record as saying they don't have the votes to advance the kind of stimulus deal you are talking about. There will be no stimulus.

As for electing new Georgia Senators...the best we will get is one...making it 51-49 GOP. It is what it is. Americans chose to keep Mitch in charge. Soundly. Be grateful for what we have.

Not much cause for gratitude for those of us who are suffering without a stimulus. It's gonna be a rough winter, waiting for January. I'm trying to keep some optimism for the future, but it's tough as hell to do so.
 
So you want Uncle Joe to pass out free government cheddar...




Naturally. You want what you voted for.
 
So you want Uncle Joe to pass out free government cheddar...




Naturally. You want what you voted for.

No, I want what I paid for with my taxes....the government that I paid for. The American people haven't gotten their money's worth of government for a very long time. Not since corporations were declared people and made the real constituents of the politicians of both parties.

I'm tired, as a citizen, of rubber-stamping the wishes and whims of an elite that cheats at taxes and takes far more than it gives. The One Percent are parasites, leeches, the only real welfare queens in America.

It's a raw deal for most of us, a sweet one for the military-industrial complex that gets all of the wars that it could ever wish, the prison-industrial complex that gets a constant flow of business from the private prison pipeline, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc. The oligarchs, like the Koch brothers, who have destroyed democracy in the name of their own self-interest.

And mainly because both parties are corrupt, bought and paid for by the financial and managerial elite. Incrementalism is a stalling tactic to keep getting rubes to vote Democratic while the neoliberals hold onto the donations of the wealthy donor class. The Republican tactic is different: use fake populism and cultural wedge issues to distract the voters while robbing them blind.
 
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The time is probably coming closer when either a popular revolution or else a radical shift to more direct democracy, of even more government by ballot initiatives, will be a matter of sheer necessity. Overrule the elites and go over their heads to the masses, the rightful masters and owners of America.
 
No, I want what I paid for with my taxes....the government that I paid for. The American people haven't gotten their money's worth of government for a very long time. Not since corporations were declared people and made the real constituents of the politicians of both parties.

I'm tired, as a citizen, of rubber-stamping the wishes and whims of an elite that cheats at taxes and takes far more than it gives. The One Percent are parasites, leeches, the only real welfare queens in America.

It's a raw deal for most of us, a sweet one for the military-industrial complex that gets all of the wars that it could ever wish, the prison-industrial complex that gets a constant flow of business from the private prison pipeline, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc. The oligarchs, like the Koch brothers, who have destroyed democracy in the name of their own self-interest.

And mainly because both parties are corrupt, bought and paid for by the financial and managerial elite. Incrementalism is a stalling tactic to keep getting rubes to vote Democratic while the neoliberals hold onto the donations of the wealthy donor class. The Republican tactic is different: use fake populism and cultural wedge issues to distract the voters while robbing them blind.

You didn't pay enough in taxes to buy dick. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
Without the 1% you deride we would have abject poverty and
simply a different 1% as we have in so many
world-wide Socialist utopias...

I think that most of your post is more angry rant than thought-out, reasoned argument.
 
Not much...


Thinks the stimulus is being held up by Mitch? Nancy is the culprit, she refuses to target spending to those who need it. She addresses every monetary issue the states have, not a targeted bill, she wants another 3 trillion. The woman is smoking too much of Sevmax2's dope.
 
You didn't pay enough in taxes to buy dick. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
Without the 1% you deride we would have abject poverty and
simply a different 1% as we have in so many
world-wide Socialist utopias...

I think that most of your post is more angry rant than thought-out, reasoned argument.


He wants government he paid for with his taxes and wants even more government. What he wants is government to take care of him, to be dependant on gov, sounds like the beginning of socialism. :mad::eek:
 
I think she is just isolated, getting senile and sees the country differently than the people who reside in it trying to make a living; the only living she has ever made is the one that allows her to meddle in people's lives and she loves it and age is releasing her from any constraint which she may have once possessed and exacerbating her sense of power and entitlement. The Democrats might do themselves a favor by not electing her Speaker again, but they probably won't, I suspect that they all intend for her to die in office.
 
It’s the working class that produces the wealth, while the managerial and corporate classes extract and hoard it. Also, the sales, payroll, and most taxes are paid more by the poor and what’s left of the middle class than by the wealthy tax cheats like Trump and Bezos. Study the labor theory of value someday. Management is just a middleman.
 
The next few steps, though, are:

1. A Stimulus deal, ASAP.
2. Elect Warnock.
3. Elect Ossoff.

All three will be tough, but maybe doable. Will the Collins voters go to Warnock or to Loeffler? That remains to be seen.

A 50-50 Senate wouldn't just be Harris breaking a lot of ties. It would mean Chairs of Committees and Subcommittees, judicial confirmations, ambassadorships, and a better chance for Puerto Rican statehood. You get statehood for Puerto Rico, and the Senate majority grows. Harris will finally be able to take a vacation or two.

Now, if a Republican or two crossed the aisle, that's another option, but who realistically would do that these days? Toomey? Unlikely. Murkowski? Somewhat better odds. If I had to pick a Republican likely to switch, it would be her. Romney? Not a chance in Hell. Utah is Mormon Central after all. And the LDS increasingly don't tolerate their folks voting blue.
Georgia Democrat senate candidate Jon Ossoff claims ‘oversight’ in omitting payment from Chinese communist-linked company
 
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