So MooseLimbs say the KooKooRan promotes terror, why do we not believe them?

[busybody..]

I know some of you LIBS will say

ITS ONLY ONE GUY!

Well, its NOT

These stories are the vast majority

Why dont we believe em when they openly tell us they wanna KILL us?

Why do we pretend they are the RELIGION OF PEACE and why do we believe we can co-exist with them?

What will it take for us to realize the menace? A nuke attack in a Western City?


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Special Dispatch - Egypt/Jihad & Terrorism Studies Project
March 10, 2006
No. 1110

Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood MPs: The Koran Encourages Terrorism; "Bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Al-Zarqawi are Not Terrorists in the Sense Accepted by Some"

To view this Special Dispatch in HTML, visit:
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD111006 .

According to a report in the independent Egyptian weekly Roz Al-Yusouf, Egyptian MP Ragab Hilal Hamida, from the Muslim Brotherhood, said during a parliamentary session discussing the Inter-Arab Agreement on Combating Terrorism, that the Koran encourages terrorism, and that he supports the activities of Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, and Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi.(1) The report also stated that another MP from the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Ahmad 'Askar, supported Hamida's statements, and that MPs from the governing National Democratic Party (NDP) did not denounce them, but instead joked with Ragab.

In a subsequent interview with MP Hamida, Roz Al-Yusouf gave him a chance to retract his statements; however, he reiterated his position.

The following are excerpts from the interview.(2)


"'Terrorism' is Not a Curse when Given its True Meaning"

Question: "Does it make sense to you that a Muslim should claim that the Koran incites to terrorism?!"

Hamida: "I said these things in an [Egyptian] parliament session dealing with the Inter-Arab Agreement on Combating Terrorism. I noticed that the report of the [Parliamentary] Committee for Defense and National Security and the Egyptian Foreign Ministry were inaccurate when [they] dealt with terrorism, since [they] dealt with it in general [terms]. I specifically wanted to explain that [the term] 'terrorism' is not a curse when given its true meaning. [When interpreted accurately,] it means opposing occupation as it exists in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq!...

"From my point of view, bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Al-Zarqawi are not terrorists in the sense accepted by some. I support all their activities, since they are a thorn in the side of the Americans and the Zionists... [On the other hand,] he who kills Muslim citizens is neither a jihad fighter nor a terrorist, but a criminal and a murderer. We must call things by their proper names!"

Question: "Do you regard the Palestinians who are prepared to sacrifice their lives as terrorists?"

Hamida: "Yes. According to the shari'a, a Palestinian who is prepared to sacrifice his life deters the enemy, in the way [sanctioned by the Koran]: 'Make ready against them your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah knows.'"(3)

"This Palestinian is therefore [called] a terrorist, but he does not care that he is called a terrorist, since the Koran calls him so! We must realize that all religions forbid the killing of Muslim citizens. But anything related to countering occupation - is not a crime or [an act of] violence, but rather jihad or 'terrorism' in the sense of deterring and scaring [the enemy], and this is emphasized by the language and by shari'a!"


"It is [Our] Duty to Repel Any Enemy of the Islamic and Arab Countries, Using 'Terrorism' Rather Than Using Violence"

Question: "Do you think that this is the [appropriate] time to repeat such provocative statements, when we are trying to improve the image of Islam in the West and to refute the accusation that [Islam] is a religion of terrorism, as [some] are claiming?"

Hamida: "Islam does not need improvement of its image... But there are some ignorant Muslims who do not understand the tenets of their faith... It is [our] duty to repel any enemy of the Islamic and Arab countries, using 'terrorism' rather than using violence. We need an accurate definition of [the term] 'terrorism' in the negative climate in which we live - a climate that makes no distinction between a criminal and one who is prepared to sacrifice his life or a terrorist. In defining [this term], we must not be influenced by American pressures, but consider the issues in the light of shari'a. They should not tell us to fight terrorism and to fight it as they command us to. The Americans are the ones who perpetrate violence in the Arab countries!..."


"Islam Encourages Terrorism and Jihad - [Though] Not Terrorism in the Common Sense of the Term"

Question: "How do you regard [the possibility] that some organization or country hostile to Egypt and to Islam might use your remarks to distort the image of our religion and criticize us abroad?!"

Hamida: "If some respectable organization came to me and asked me, it would [receive an answer and] understand what I mean. Islam encourages terrorism and jihad - [though] not terrorism in the common sense of the term - to prevent our holy places and our property from being easy prey for [our] enemies. As for killing civilians in Islamic and Arab countries - that is forbidden by the law and by shari'a. And those [who carry out these acts] are criminals and murderers according to the faith!"

Question: "So what are bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri doing [against] Saudi Arabia, [along with] their followers who support them in the name of Islam?!"

Hamida: "Bin Laden has nothing to do with what occurs from time to time in Saudi Arabia. They have never killed a single Muslim! Those [operations] were carried out by spies and agents of the America and Israel, who do not wish to see stability in the [Suadi] kingdom, since it has [adopted] a position hostile towards them under the rule of Emir Abdallah, both before and after the death of King Fahd!"

Question: "Aren't you afraid that you might be accused of inciting to terrorism under the [terms of] the agreement approved by the [Egyptian] parliament [a few] days ago?"

Hamida: "This is nothing new for me. I have already been imprisoned for several years on [charges of this sort]. Some accuse me of [endorsing] Islamist [views] more extremist than those of the Muslim Brotherhood. I used to belong to the Jihad organization and to Jama'at Al-Takfir Wa Al-Hijra organization, and I do not deny it!

"In the future, I will answer anyone who attacks me for my views, especially since all the organizations, without exception - judicial and other, in Egypt and abroad - are [nothing but] 'market stalls' full of spies that receive bribes from the Americans. In the future I will tell them that America and Israel are the only violent [parties], and that they are responsible for the wave of killing and violence that is sweeping over the world!"

Question: "What will you do if one of your constituents criticizes you for supporting terrorism and terrorists, and accuses you of saying that the Koran incites to terrorism?!"

Hamida: "I will make an effort to correct his [mis]conceptions and explain the ramifications to him. I support all of bin Laden's and Al-Zawahiri's operations against occupation, but if they [ever] issue a fatwa [that condones operations] against civilians in some Arab or Muslim country, I will be the first to condemn them!"

Question: "Didn't Al-Zawahiri recently [appear on] Al-Jazeera [TV channel] and explicitly call to renew the terrorist operations in Egypt?!"

Hamida: "This was because of his opposition to the American policy and to Washington's meddling in Egypt's domestic affairs. All parties, associations and journalists oppose the American control in the region..."


Endnotes:
(1) Ragab Hilal Hamida was elected as an independent candidate in the recent elections but belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood. The recent Egyptian parliamentary elections, held in November-December 2005, saw the election of 88 MPs who belong to the Muslim Brotherhood; they now constitute about 20% of the Egyptian parliament.
(2) Roz Al-Yusouf (Egypt), January 28, 2006-February 3, 2006.
(3) The term turhibun ("strike terror"), which appears in this verse, is used in modern Arabic to denote terrorist actions.

 

[busybody..]

and its NOT just OVER THERE that they say these things

its OVER here as well


Top Jail Imam in Hate Tirade

The head of Islamic chaplains in the New York City Department of Corrections has been caught on tape at a conference of Islamic leaders, spewing hatred for America and infidels: Top Jail Imam in Hate Tirade. (Hat tip SoCalJustice.)

March 9, 2006 — WASHINGTON - The head of Islamic chaplains in the New York City Department of Correction said in a recent speech that the “greatest terrorists in the world occupy the White House,” Jews control the media, and Muslims are being tortured in Manhattan jails.

The outlandish remarks were made by one of the city’s most prominent Islamic leaders, Imam Umar Abdul-Jalil, the executive director of ministerial services for the city Department of Correction. He spoke at a conference of Islamic leaders in Tucson, Ariz., and was secretly recorded by the counterterrorism organization The Investigative Project.

The recordings capture Abdul-Jalil - speaking at two separate symposiums on Islam in America held by the Muslim Students Association on April 15 and 16 last year - making incendiary charges and espousing extremist views.

Abdul-Jalil, 56, who is also imam of the Masjid Sabur mosque in Harlem, initially denied making the comments - but later admitted to The Post that the tape was most likely accurate and said his words are being “taken out of context.”

At one conference session, Abdul-Jalil charged that Muslims jailed after the 9/11 attacks were being tortured in Manhattan, according to the tape. “They [some Muslim inmates] are not charged with anything, they are not entitled to any rights, they are interrogated. Some of them are literally tortured and we found this in the Metropolitan Correctional Facility in Manhattan. But they literally are torturing people,” Abdul-Jalil said.

Abdul-Jalil also accused the Bush administration of being terrorists, according to the tape. “We have terrorists defining who a terrorist is, but because they have the weight of legitimacy, they get away with it . . . We know that the greatest terrorists in the world occupy the White House, without a doubt,” he said.

At another session, Abdul-Jalil urged American Muslims to stop allowing “the Zionists of the media to dictate what Islam is to us” and said Muslims must be “compassionate with each other” and “hard against the kufr [unbeliever].”

 

[Peregrinator]

I read this thread.

 

[Wok]

I got lost after the first sentence. It is the mooselimb way.

 

[busybody..]

I read this thread.

Grab a cookie and pat your ass!

 

[Sean]

I read this thread.

*sigh*
Me too, god help me.

 

[Peregrinator]

Grab a cookie and pat your ass!

Well, you were just bitching that I haven't been posting in your threads. I'll take the cookie, though.

 

[phrodeau]

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Deu 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

Deu 13:7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

Deu 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

Deu 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Deu 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deu 13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Deu 13:12 If thou shalt hear [say] in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

Deu 13:13 [Certain] men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

Deu 13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, [if it be] truth, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought among you;

Deu 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that [is] therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

Deu 13:16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

Deu 13:17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

Deu 13:18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do [that which is] right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

 

[busybody..]

*sigh*
Me too, god help me.

when you say that ONLY some Mooselimbs

it becomes more and more difficult to make that stick

I dont doubt that SOME say what might be construed MODERATE statements


Bot there is OFTEN a BUT attached and further they say the opposite in Arabic to their followers


Face it, We have a huge problem and we are ducking it!

 

[phrodeau]

Deu 13:12 If thou shalt hear [say] in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

Deu 13:13 [Certain] men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

Deu 13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, [if it be] truth, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought among you;

Deu 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that [is] therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

Deu 13:16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

Not a word about sparing the innocent here.

 

[Sean]

when you say that ONLY some Mooselimbs

it becomes more and more difficult to make that stick

I dont doubt that SOME say what might be construed MODERATE statements


Bot there is OFTEN a BUT attached and further they say the opposite in Arabic to their followers


Face it, We have a huge problem and we are ducking it!

BB, you can always find quotes from nutters of any faith. It's one of the reasons I hate religion. Any religion. You can find thousands, hundreds of thousands, of Muslims that spew hate filled shite. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, after all. You've never seen me defend this kind of crap. But I also find your characterisation of all Muslims as inherently evil just as reprehensible.

 

[busybody..]

if it were ONLY hate words

then you are right

it obviously is so much more

and you know it!

 

[busybody..]

Sean

When OBL

"declared" war on us in 1998, I am sure the same words that you just said, were said!


what does it take?

 

[Sean]

Sean

When OBL

"declared" war on us in 1998, I am sure the same words that you just said, were said!


what does it take?

It takes a little reason and intelligence mate. Even you, rabid as you can be, aren't going to try to tell me that all those billion plus Muslims are murdering terrorists?

 

[busybody..]

it only takes several thousand

The London police have said the reason they are not making headway in getting the 7/7 killers

is because the COMMUNITY is shielding them


Mark my words

A day of infamy is coming and we will again say

"Why didnt wee heed all the warning signs?"

 

[Sean]

it only takes several thousand

The London police have said the reason they are not making headway in getting the 7/7 killers

is because the COMMUNITY is shielding them


Mark my words

A day of infamy is coming and we will again say

"Why didnt wee heed all the warning signs?"

So your solution is what? Genocide? Given Pergs thread, i would have thought that that "final solution" would be just a bit unpalatable?

 

[busybody..]

Genocide of Jews and MooseLimbs are NOT comprable, are they?

The Jews were working members of German society, lower, middle and upper class, in schools, government etc. They never threatened the govt nor took harmful actions against the people based on their religion. Didnt have support from any other Jewish group to do any harm


Can that be said of the MooseLimbs in your midst?

 

[Sean]

Genocide of Jews and MooseLimbs are NOT comprable, are they?

The Jews were working members of German society, lower, middle and upper class, in schools, government etc. They never threatened the govt nor took harmful actions against the people based on their religion. Didnt have support from any other Jewish group to do any harm


Can that be said of the MooseLimbs in your midst?

Yes, it can. They are teachers, doctors, nurses, scientists, shopkeepers, businessmen, street cleaners, MP's, Peers, you name it. Killing people because of their religion is INSANE and you know it.

 

[busybody..]

I never said KILLING in the name of RELIGION

In fact it is the Mooselimbs that are killing in the name of their religion, isnt it?

I say KILLING in the name of self protection!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I piss my pants every time I see a Mex'can in an SUV...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Genocide of Jews and MooseLimbs are NOT comprable, are they?

The Jews were working members of German society, lower, middle and upper class, in schools, government etc. They never threatened the govt nor took harmful actions against the people based on their religion. Didnt have support from any other Jewish group to do any harm


Can that be said of the MooseLimbs in your midst?

Just about every Crusade/Jihad, began with a pogrom... Try being an Arab Christian...

 

[Sean]

I never said KILLING in the name of RELIGION

In fact it is the Mooselimbs that are killing in the name of their religion, isnt it?

I say KILLING in the name of self protection!

But that's exactly what you're advocating. Kill all Muslims. They're all terrorists.

 

[busybody..]

But that's exactly what you're advocating. Kill all Muslims. They're all terrorists.

Before they do what they say they will do, YES!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Maybe the Mother Wheel will recall the Nation of Islam now that water has been located outside Saturn...

 

[busybody..]

They come for us, dont think they dont come for YOU!


Bias Attacks In France Fuel Concern About Blacks (MARC PERELMAN, March 10, 2006, The Forward)


A string of antisemitic incidents in the aftermath of the torture and murder of a young Jewish vendor is fueling concerns that anti-Jewish feelings are spreading in France's black community.

The incidents — three physical attacks allegedly committed by blacks of Muslim descent — occurred in recent days, following the extradition from Ivory Coast last weekend of Youssouf Fofana, the alleged leader of the gang that kidnapped and murdered 21-year-old Ilan Halimi. The alleged involvement of blacks has added a new twist to the wave of antisemitic incidents in recent years, which mostly were the work of young Muslims of North African descent responding to the Palestinian intifada.

A judge charged Fofana for the premeditated murder of Halimi, with the aggravated circumstance that the crime was motivated by race, after evidence surfaced that the gang had targeted Halimi because they believed that Jews are rich and the community would pay a ransom. Fofana has told investigators that the plot was not motivated by ethnicity, but by money, and has denied that he killed Halimi.

"This affair has transformed Fofana into a hero in the eyes of quite a few people," said Sammy Ghozlan, president of the National Office of Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism, a former police chief who has been criticized by some Jewish groups for what they say is his tendency to exaggerate the antisemitic threat. "The attitude of [black] people has changed in recent years."