So Long Jesse Ventura, We Will Miss You

takingchances42

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One of the votes that I am most proud of casting was when I voted for Jesse Ventura for governor of Minnesota. Unfortunately, he is not running for re-election this fall, the political scene will be the poorer for that.

He is well known, both nationally and (I believe) somewhat internationally as the flamboyent former professional wrestler who is never afraid to speak his mind. Yes, he is the most entertaining governor my state has had. But that is not why I will miss him.

I wonder how much the rest of the country realizes who he really is, and why he got elected. What he was is the most powerful threat to the status quo that this country has seen for a long time, even more so than Ross Perot. He actually spoke the truth about things, his real opinions, no matter how unpopular it might make him. How radical in a politician. I will miss that honesty.

More importantly, he never took a special interest contribution. I forget the exact amount, but he set a limit per contribution that he would accept somewhere in the $50 to $100 range. In Minnesota, in the last four years, no lobbyist has ever had access to the governor that an ordinary citizen doesn't have. No deals have been made for government decisions in exchange for campaign contributions. Government policy decisions, at least at the governor's level, have never once been sold during his time in office.

What a radical change from the corrupt status quo. What a complete threat to the current power structure. Which is why the Republicans, Democrats and media have gone for his throat from day one. Attacking him continually over one thing and another, but never mentioning the real threat that he posed -- there was one government in the US where honesty was the policy, and government decisions were not for sale.

In general, I liked his socially liberal and fiscally conservative policies. He genuinely believed that the government had no business in people's bedrooms or pocketbooks, and tried to reduce the intrusiveness of the government in people's lives. He believed in individual responsibility. I didn't agree with everything, and vehemently disagreed with his anti-environmental stance. I didn't care for the time he spent selling Jesse instead of working for Minnesota. But even that was a refreshing change from the usual politician selling political favors at one fund raiser after another.

He would have been a good president. But in the end he turned out to be too rational. He didn't like the effect of being a prominent politician on his personal life, and decided to leave the process.

I am curious how much of the real Jesse made it out to the rest of the country. What he really did in Minnesota, instead of the caricature that I sometimes saw in the national media, focusing on his personality rather than powerful change he made in government. Would you have voted for Jesse for president?
 
Not in a million years would I vote for him for Pres. He was in over his head I think as gov.

Wasn't one of the latest scandals that his son and some friends partied hardy at taxpayer expense in the gov mansion?

My sister voted for him and then was sorry in the end after liking him for about the first year he was in office. I don't live in your state so I had no opportunity to either vote or not vote for him.
 
I would have voted for Jesse.
He really speaks his mind (which gets him into trouble sometimes), however his no phony and you have to respect that. He doesn't take any bullshit and I for one, wouldn't give him any backtalk. I mean, he can probably still benchpress over two hundred pounds!

Could you imagine if Jesse was dealing with this Terrorism issue instead of George W.?
 
Cheyenne said:
Not in a million years would I vote for him for Pres. He was in over his head I think as gov.

Wasn't one of the latest scandals that his son and some friends partied hardy at taxpayer expense in the gov mansion?

My sister voted for him and then was sorry in the end after liking him for about the first year he was in office. I don't live in your state so I had no opportunity to either vote or not vote for him.

Yes, his son did throw parties for his friends at the governor's mansion. As far as political scandals go, I think there is something refreshing about that being the notable one for his administration, in contrast to the usual ones.

Jesse is far from stupid. The different times that I have seen him speak live, on radio and TV, a thoughtful, independent thinking came through, that doesn't come through in the sound bites and excerpts. In office, he surrounded himself with competent people of integrity, and relied upon them. Not a bad approach for either a governor or a president.
 
You said it all except one thing which a friend pointed out is his best asset as governor that he is a arogant asshole.

That what it takes to get the job done.

Bye Jessie
 
My first exposure to Jesse Venutura as a gubnatorial candidate was in a debate on TV during his first run at the govenorship. I had no idea he was running for govenor, but one Sunday afternoon during a rainy day I was flipping through the channels and came across my local pbs station and there were the three candidates running for govenor of Minnesota.

Normally, I wouldn't have watched the show, as I live in California. BUt what I saw amused me so much that I ended up watching the whole debate.

There were the republican and democrat candidates and Jesse sitting in the middle of the two. I came into the show right when the other two candidates were answering a question put to them by the moderator. Well, they gave the standard, PC filled, typical professional politician answers, which were to avoid directly answering the question. You had no idea what their real position was on anything they were asked. They would form committees to look into it was their favorite answer.

Well, then Jesse spoke! He answered the question directly and to the point! He then pointed out how the other two candidates gave the typical politically correct answers by avoiding answering the questions. Boy, did their faces turn red. The rest of the debate ran this way, with Jesse answering questions very directly and to the point and the other two candidates giving their cannned answers.

I've liked him ever since. It was such a pleasure to see Jesse give answers to the questions we could understand, while at the same time watching the other two clowns get red-faced with embarrasment and try to gang up on Jesse as they saw this upstart challenge them.

That is not something they enjoyed at all!

Yes, I would vote for Jesse for President.
 
He'll be back. Somewhere doing something. I love larger-than-life characters and somehow, he still comes off as one of those guys despite what the press tried to do to him.

Chuck Norris for President!
 
Actually, I liked and agreed with most of Jessie's ideas, but he was not able to make them work with the support of the Legeslature. That is what Politics is all about, not just having good ideas, but implimenting them. If your good ideas don't become public policy, they may as well stay in the bar room bull sessions, or the wrestling ring.
 
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He'll be back. I hope. Being a Jersey girl, I felt much the same way when Bill Bradley threw in the towel.
 
come on, he was a buffoon and a PR nightmare. there'd been no way I would have voted for him and I prefer to vote for third party candidates.
 
Samuari said:
Actually, I liked and agreed with most of Jessie's ideas, but he was not able to make them work with the support of the Legeslature. That is what Politics is all about, not just having good ideas, but implimenting them. If your good ideas don't become public policy, they may as well stay in the bar room bull sessions, or the wrestling ring.

That does bring up the philosophical question about whether having an executive and legislature that work well together in passing laws is a good thing or a bad thing. Yes, laws need to be passed, and the nation needs to be governed. But given the corruption of the process, and how each the Republican and the Democratic parties tend to be run by their extremists and not their moderates -- I'm afraid of a government that is too effective at passing laws. I like having the legislature and executive branches controlled by different parties.

Jesse did lose much of his effectiveness for change after his first year or two. When the media, Democrats and Republicans decided they despised (feared) what he represented more than they did each other, and figured out how to effectively gang up on him.

But revolutions come at a price. Our system does need a revolution. I thought the price was worth it with Jesse, even if his Independence Party successor, Penny, doesn't win this upcoming election.
 
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brokenbrainwave said:
come on, he was a buffoon and a PR nightmare. there'd been no way I would have voted for him and I prefer to vote for third party candidates.

Out of curiosity, have you ever really listened to Jesse talk about policy issues? At length and unedited? Or have you only seen the sound bites and out of context quotes that the media circulates?
 
I would have voted for him in a second. Someone wrote that they would have never voted for him as president because he would have been overmatched by the job. Psst. They all are. Even brilliiant individuals are overmatched. Clinton was and Bush certainly is. It is about who you attract to work in washingtion more than who you are as a person which defines a presidentcy. I think we still assume that because someone presents well and speaks with confidence that they must be intelligent and expert in the topic. Ha. I think if you scrape the makeup off most politicians youll find garbage men in drag.
 
The whole idea that an outsider like Ventura could come in and rattle the cage like he did is refreshing, to put it mildly. I can't agree with all of his views, but I do like a guy who says what he thinks and doesn't really care if anyone likes it. Our system needs more politicians like him.

Unfortunately, our presidential election process is designed to keep guys like this out of contention. Popular vote can be overridden, and it has.
 
takingchances42 said:


Out of curiosity, have you ever really listened to Jesse talk about policy issues? At length and unedited? Or have you only seen the sound bites and out of context quotes that the media circulates?
actually yes I have and no it was not just on the WWF. He seemed to me a fish out of water, flopping around gasping for air.

edited to agree with what PH just said. The idea was refreshing the fact he spoke his mind was also. That I liked about him, but I dont live there, so my opinion is mute
 
alltherage said:
I think if you scrape the makeup off most politicians youll find garbage men in drag.

I'm not sure about being in drag, but plain old garbage men are some of the smartest people I've ever met.
 
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