So I say to Castro

[miles]

Give it up, you turd-smoking socialist has-been. Want to be a hero? Resign, Mr. Dicktator, and renounce your 40 year regime as a total failure. Announce free and open elections. Release any living political prisoners. Divide up all the beachfront property among the poor Cubans you've fucked over, and watch them accumulate wealth when they lease the land to companies that build resorts.

Finally, lose the bad beard and jump off a cliff.

Motherfucker.

 

[bored1]

Maybe,once he is out of power the Cuban people can sue for reparations.

 

[Moi]

The US embargo is the only thing keeping him in power.
Lift it and he'll be out of work in about two hours....

 

[callableborg]

Castro

Have to agree with Moi. These trade embargos re-enforce the power of dictators by isolating the country and making he population all the more dependent on the powers that be.

How else could a country be so close to the U.S. and its gigantic ecomomy and remain so oppressed and backward?

Castro has nowhere to go here. After 40 years he wont likely say "Oh, that,s not really what I meant" and initiate reforms which would likely threaten his grip on power. The people don,t miss what they never had so the situation just sits there.

Its not as if Cuba is a "used to be - democracy". It just never was. And wont likely be as long as Castro and Bush are around as it is obvious they are swimming in different ponds.

 

[marksgirl]

Miles

Very well put!

 

[DannyBoyUK]

Before he goes, you might want to listen to his advice on the fact that the literacy rate in his country beats the pants off that in the USA, the health care system is modern and free etc etc.

If there was SO much internal opposition to him, then just perhaps the CIA would have managed to ignite a spark to topple him by now ?

It is also a bit out of order for Americans to mock the lack of elections when they cant even organise an uncorrupt one themselves !

 

[p_p_man]

Give it up, you turd-smoking socialist has-been. Want to be a hero? Resign, Mr. Dicktator, and renounce your 40 year regime as a total failure. Announce free and open elections. Release any living political prisoners. Divide up all the beachfront property among the poor Cubans you've fucked over, and watch them accumulate wealth when they lease the land to companies that build resorts.

Finally, lose the bad beard and jump off a cliff.

Motherfucker.

And once he's done all you ask the Cuban people will look across 90 miles of water and say "I wanna live in America!" and swarm into your country in their millions, totally destroying the Florida economy and further upsetting the demographic profile of the State.

Bush will panic, close the door on further Cuban immigration threatening anyone who tries to beat the new "People Embargo" with a "Dead or Alive" statement. Civil unrest by families of Cubans not able to enter the USA will lead to a localised Civil War.

Other hispanics from all over the country will flock to the aid of their 'brothers' and the civil war will spread rapidly from State to State until the whole country is encompassed.

This will give bin Laden and his group the opportunity they need to carry out their atrocities at will until finally, with a cry of "Don't blame me - I voted Democrat" America will slide finally into chaos and collapse.

You haven't thought it through miles have you?

As usual...

ppman

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: So I say to Castro

You haven't thought it through miles have you?

As usual...

ppman

And you think that your reply suggests thinking?

 

[miles]

Before he goes, you might want to listen to his advice on the fact that the literacy rate in his country beats the pants off that in the USA, the health care system is modern and free etc etc.

If there was SO much internal opposition to him, then just perhaps the CIA would have managed to ignite a spark to topple him by now ?

It is also a bit out of order for Americans to mock the lack of elections when they cant even organise an uncorrupt one themselves !

Yes, and some great roads were built iduring the Third Reich.

 

[p_p_man]

Yes, and some great roads were built iduring the Third Reich.

Now that is rich...

So Castro has thousands of slave labourers forced to carry out work under the most horrendous and lethal conditions whilst their vote influencing relatives are living 90 miles away and not lifting a finger except shouting their mouths off and carrying out the odd ill-conceived plan to invade the island.

Don't you think there would at least be a network of autobahns criss-crossing Cuba by now?

 

[WriterDom]

Before he goes, you might want to listen to his advice on the fact that the literacy rate in his country beats the pants off that in the USA, the health care system is modern and free etc etc.

If there was SO much internal opposition to him, then just perhaps the CIA would have managed to ignite a spark to topple him by now ?

It is also a bit out of order for Americans to mock the lack of elections when they cant even organise an uncorrupt one themselves !

Yep, everyday, Americans risk their lives on homemade boats to make it to the freedom and richness of Cuba's soil.

 

[p_p_man]

Yep, everyday, Americans risk their lives on homemade boats to make it to the freedom and richness of Cuba's soil.

Because the Americans won't grant them visas...

ppman

 

[bored1]

Yep, everyday, Americans risk their lives on homemade boats to make it to the freedom and richness of Cuba's soil.

Not to mention the best health care system in the world. Amazing that just a few months ago our friend Castro restricted the sale of PCs to the Cuban public. Anybody from mainland Cuba posting on this board? If your from the mainland tell us about your freedoms.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

DannyBoyUK.......

"It is also a bit out of order for Americans to mock the lack of elections when they cant even organise an uncorrupt one themselves !"


Please do a little research before posting such idiotic drivel! The problems alluded to were those of scale and human foibles, not corruption! Independent analysis of all of the charges brought following the Florida tally have proven that the system worked correctly and quite well. Actually,I think it is a tribute to our legal and election system that so high an office could be decided peacfully in so close a contest. The only corruption I'm witness to is that of the ignorant minds who refuse to educate themselves to the facts of the case.

Rhumb

 

[p_p_man]

Taken from the link below...

"SINthysist
This is going to fucking kill you...

Castro has never had any problem with letting people leave Cuba and go to which ever country they want. As most want to go to the US they find their way blocked by American Visa regulations...

"Lawful permanent residents, formally known as Green Card Holder Relatives, and US Citizen Relatives in the US, are encouraged to file Visa petitions on behalf of certain family members in Cuba.

If you are a lawful permanent resident or a US citizen, you are eligible to file an INS Form I-130, entitled Petition for Alien Relatives, to sponsor the following relatives to the US.

A lawful, permanent resident may petition for his or her spouse, husband or wife and unmarried sons and daughters, regardless of age.

A US citizen may petition for his or her spouse, husband or wife, and his or her married or unmarried sons and daughters, regardless of age.

An adult US citizen, 21 years of age or older, may also petition for his or her parents, brothers or sisters.

You cannot file Form I-130 for any other relative, such as an aunt, uncle, cousin or grandparent.

Form I-130 is available by calling 1-800-755-0777 or by calling your local INS Forms Request Line."


All those uncles, aunts, cousins grandparents and so on have to sink or swim (so to speak).

Just another little piece of American folklore I thought I'd kill off. And if that's not enough to convince you...


"REPORT OF THE UNITED STATES DELEGATION TO THE 2001 MEETING OF CUBAN AND AMERICAN TRADE UNION LAWYERS

Sponsored by the National Lawyers Guild Labor and Employment Committee and the U.S. Health Care Trade Union Committee

Moreover, although Cuba routinely authorizes at least 20,000 of its citizens to emigrate to the U.S. annually, the U.S. government just as routinely rejects those legal emigration requests, apparently preferring to encourage and provoke illegal emigration via the Cuban Adjustment Act. This law (which applies only to Cuban immigrants) gives U.S. permanent resident status to virtually any Cuban who makes it here by any means and stays for a year."


And just to put the final blow in. The last time I was there, 7 years ago, the queue from the US Interests Section at the Swiss Embassy for people applying for US visas (who presumably had already been allotted their exit visa under the 20,000 pa rule), stretched out into the street and almost completely around the block. Speak to the people in that queue and they all more or less say the same thing. Waits of weeks before even entering the doors of Swiss Embassy. And this is only to apply for a visa.

Judging from the Report of the United States Delegation to the 2001 Meeting of Cuban and American Trade Union Lawyers (above), they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting one.

So poor little America is fighting the good fight of freedom against that big nasty man across the water whom we all know keeps people in dungeons, doesn't allow them to leave for a 'better life', couldn't care less whether they die through ill health and teaches them nothing because forced labour is cheap. And there's no point in educating someone who's going to die anyway.

Oh, and at the same time he's stockpiling all those weapons of 'mass destruction'...

Long Live America!

Defender of Free Speech!

Home of GW Bush jnr...

ppman"

Link to whole thread...

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84946&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

 

[DannyBoyUK]

The corruption I referred to was the way in which the path towards a proper re-count were quashed.

As for freedom of expression....."are you now or have you ever been" stemmed from which country ?

My dad moved from the UK to the USA to teach when he re-married - the powers-that-be who dictate the syllabus are far more dictatorial than anything Castro could conjure up.

 

[miles]

The US embargo is the only thing keeping him in power.
Lift it and he'll be out of work in about two hours....

Wait...how many countries are there in the world? 100? 200?

You're saying because one won't trade with them keeps Castro in power?

Explain.

 

[bluespoke]

My dad moved from the UK to the USA to teach when he re-married - the powers-that-be who dictate the syllabus are far more dictatorial than anything Castro could conjure up.

Have you had a look at the national curriculum lately?

 

[miles]

This is amazing. When did Cuba become Shangri-la?

It's a dump. The people are dirt-poor. Fine, they get good health care. They can live a long, full life under a tin-horn dictatorship.

What good is a high literacy rate when they can only read what the state approves?

What good is the education? What can people do with it?

What is the annual per capita income there?

If a country has good health care and a high literacy rate but no personal freedom, that's okay.

Yes, it's all our fault. All the countries in the world except us trade with them, but it's our fault they live in a toilet.

 

[bluespoke]

Yes, it's all our fault. All the countries in the world except us trade with them, but it's our fault they live in a toilet.

Of course it's your fault!

Didn't p_p_man tell You it was.

It's nobody's 'fault' except that bearded oaf in the dirty green suit!

 

[RhumbRunner13]

The corruption I referred to was the way in which the path towards a proper re-count were quashed.

As for freedom of expression....."are you now or have you ever been" stemmed from which country ?

My dad moved from the UK to the USA to teach when he re-married - the powers-that-be who dictate the syllabus are far more dictatorial than anything Castro could conjure up.

Again I would suggest a little unbiased research! Recounts were not quashed! The state of Florida has specific laws regarding when and how a recount is to be accomplished. Those laws were followed. The problem arose when one interested party (the loser) wanted to throw out the laws, recount only in the counties where he was heavily favored by observers who were members of his campaign excluding opposition and unbiased observers while allowing those "recounters" to "determine the intent" of the voter on ballots that were unmarked. Does that sound a little fishy to you?

When a recount was done months later by a panel of various newspaper organizations, the count was nearly identical to what the official results were, Bush by 400 to 600 votes as I recall.

....."are you now or have you ever been" stemmed from ...an investigation into the influence that communists might be having in our society back in the early fifties.....it had nothing to do with "freedom of expression", in fact the communist party runs a candidate for president nearly every election!

"My dad moved from the UK to the USA to teach when he re-married - the powers-that-be who dictate the syllabus are far more dictatorial than anything Castro could conjure up."

You are either very naive or completely stupid! During Carter's trip to Cuba it was pointed out how the regime works in Cuba. The US had sold a considerable amount of grain to Cuba because the general society is on the verge of starvation. Castro reported the sale to the Cuban people..........as a bailout of the American farmers who were about to lose their farms! Please try to argue this as an honest, open progressive society!

Rhumb

 

[badasschick]

That whole military fatigue get up is so 15 min. ago.

 

[WriterDom]

What is the annual per capita income there?

around 1700 a year.

Wonder how much of the 4 to 6 billion dollars a year that the USSR send went directly into Castro's pocket. It would be interesting to know his net worth.

 

[miles]

Re: Re: So I say to Castro

That whole military fatigue get up is so 15 min. ago.

LMAO!

 

[p_p_man]

The US had sold a considerable amount of grain to Cuba because the general society is on the verge of starvation.

"Miami Herald
November 16, 2001
By Tim Johnson

WASHINGTON -- U.S. grain vendors on Thursday celebrated a decision by Cuba this week to buy up to $10 million in food and medicine supplies from the United States to deal with Hurricane Michelle's devastation.

"We're very excited about it," said Audrae Erickson of the American Farm Bureau. "We believe it's the beginning of rebuilding our trade relationship with Cuba."

Grain dealers said the historic agreement -- which is likely to produce the first U.S. commercial exports to Cuba in four decades -- could ignite broader lobbying efforts to relax a 40-year-old U.S. trade embargo of Cuba.

"It really does start the engines revving on U.S. interests in sales to Cuba," said Pamela Falk, a law professor at the City University of New York and frequent advisor to U.S. farm groups interested in selling to Cuba.

Already, a Cuban purchasing agency has contacted 12 U.S. companies to inquire about purchases of wheat, soy, flour, corn and rice. Inquiries are expected for wood products, baby food, powdered milk, poultry, cooking oil, beans and medicines, the U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council said.

The New York-based group said Havana wants all purchases shipped by Dec. 10.

The State Department gave new assurances that it would facilitate the emergency sales.

"Given the humanitarian nature of their request, we will consult with other government agencies and seek to expedite authorization of approved sales," said Charles Barclay, spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs.


Hurricane

Observers of U.S.-Cuba relations said the devastation of Hurricane Michelle gave Cuba a way to change policy on purchases of U.S. food and medicine without appearing to back down on a previous refusal.

Thirteen months ago, Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage warned that the island nation would not buy "a single grain of rice or a single aspirin" from the United States unless Washington lifted the U.S. embargo. He made the remark after Congress enacted a law allowing cash sales of food and medicines to Cuba, but prohibiting Cuba from using U.S. banks or government entities to finance Cuban purchases.

In an about-face from that earlier stance, the government of President Fidel Castro said Nov. 8 that it would pay cash for U.S. goods."

OK you agree to send the grain, American farmers are over the moon, you agree to send further goods, everyone's happy and then you say...

"Sorry. Cash only"

Don't make it fucking easy do you...

Humanitarian grounds my arse.

ppman