So how many father wouldn't....

[Comshaw]

do this?

Police: Fla. father beats accused child abuser
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A Daytona Beach father beat an 18-year-old man unconscious after finding him sexually abusing his 11-year-old son early Friday morning, police said.

The father called 911 around 1 a.m. after he walked in on the alleged abuse, police said. When officers arrived, they found Raymond Frolander motionless on the living room floor. He had several knots on his face and was bleeding from the mouth.

"He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you," the father told the 911 dispatcher. "I drug him out to the living room."

The Daytona Beach News-Journal (http://******/1tZV6o9 ) reports that the father — who was not identified by police — told investigators he walked in as Frolander was abusing the boy.

When asked by the 911 dispatcher if any weapons were involved, the father said "my foot and my fist."

The father has not been charged with any crime.

"Dad was acting like a dad. I don't see anything we should charge the dad with," Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said. "You have an 18-year-old who has clearly picked his target, groomed his target and had sex with the victim multiple times."

Frolander is charged with sexual battery on a child under 12. He is being held without bail. It was not immediately known whether he'd hired a lawyer.

According to the arrest affidavit, Frolander admitted the abuse.

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Comshaw

 

[Montanos]

It would be easier if the perpetrator looked like a monster. The guilty look the same as the innocent.


Montanos

 

[Sean Renaud]

How many fathers wouldn't? Pretty close to zero. How many fathers should go to jail for it? Any who would do this kind of thing. We have laws for a reason and part of that involves a trial. He's currently just "accused."

 

[geronimo_appleby]

not quite the same scenario, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_to_Kill_(Grisham_novel)

 

[Skiddles2014]

There wouldn't be a mug shot after, only a coroner's report.

 

[The Heretic]

There wouldn't be a mug shot after, only a coroner's report.

only if they found the body

 

[thør]

only if they found the body

There's a saying:

I have a beautiful granddaughter.

I also have a gun, a shovel and an alibi.

 

[snugglestruggle]

How many fathers wouldn't? Pretty close to zero. How many fathers should go to jail for it? Any who would do this kind of thing. We have laws for a reason and part of that involves a trial. He's currently just "accused."

That sum bitch is lucky to be alive.

 

[The Greek]

only if they found the body

Agreed...and the kid would not have to be my child either


Never leave them alive. How much you bet this piece of shit turns around and sues the father for excessive force. Happens all the time

 

[Disgustipated]

I would have killed him. But how did the perp have access and why was he getting food at 1am?

 

[Comshaw]

How many fathers wouldn't? Pretty close to zero. How many fathers should go to jail for it? Any who would do this kind of thing. We have laws for a reason and part of that involves a trial. He's currently just "accused."

Oh we have laws alright. If he lived here he'd be lucky to be alive.


RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.


Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

[2011 c 336 § 354; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]


Comshaw

 

[lovetoread]

You don't have to be a father to do this.

I would've killed him, even if it wasn't my son.

 

[Balladeer08]

do this?

Police: Fla. father beats accused child abuser
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A Daytona Beach father beat an 18-year-old man unconscious after finding him sexually abusing his 11-year-old son early Friday morning, police said.

The father called 911 around 1 a.m. after he walked in on the alleged abuse, police said. When officers arrived, they found Raymond Frolander motionless on the living room floor. He had several knots on his face and was bleeding from the mouth.

"He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you," the father told the 911 dispatcher. "I drug him out to the living room."

The Daytona Beach News-Journal (http://******/1tZV6o9 ) reports that the father — who was not identified by police — told investigators he walked in as Frolander was abusing the boy.

When asked by the 911 dispatcher if any weapons were involved, the father said "my foot and my fist."

The father has not been charged with any crime.

"Dad was acting like a dad. I don't see anything we should charge the dad with," Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said. "You have an 18-year-old who has clearly picked his target, groomed his target and had sex with the victim multiple times."

Frolander is charged with sexual battery on a child under 12. He is being held without bail. It was not immediately known whether he'd hired a lawyer.

According to the arrest affidavit, Frolander admitted the abuse.

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Comshaw

He let him live. Not sure if I would have. Glad I never faced such a situation. I'm sure it would bring out the dark side in most parents.

 

[Disgustipated]

Since he's 18, I hope they try him as an adult.

 

[Balladeer08]

How many fathers wouldn't? Pretty close to zero. How many fathers should go to jail for it? Any who would do this kind of thing. We have laws for a reason and part of that involves a trial. He's currently just "accused."

Father's position will be justified as being in defense of his child, since the act was in progress. If he'd found out the next day and hunted him down, different story. But you are legally entitled to act in self defense or in the defense of another.

Question will be did he continue the beating after the guy was no longer a threat, perhaps unconscious? Based on my examination of the subject (one photo) I say he did not. I would say that any way.

Father will never be found guilty. 2 words: jury nullification.

 

[Balladeer08]

only if they found the body

Exactly.

Florida. Swamps/gators. Ocean/sharks.

I see a recycling award....

 

[Sean]

Should it come to court, I can't see any jury convicting the dude. Still, the operative phrase, at least in the British legal system, is "reasonable force". Exactly what is reasonable is what the barristers get paid for.

 

[Balladeer08]

Should it come to court, I can't see any jury convicting the dude. Still, the operative phrase, at least in the British legal system, is "reasonable force". Exactly what is reasonable is what the barristers get paid for.

I think we should take turns using reasonable force on barristers.

Just to make sure they know, first hand, what they are talking about.

Sounds like a public service to me.

8)

 

[RobDownSouth]

Since he's 18, I hope they try him as an adult.

Aren't all 18 year olds tried as adults?

 

[Disgustipated]

Aren't all 18 year olds tried as adults?

I think it varies by state and plea agreement. I might be totally wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

I hope cjh or colonel chime in.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That sum bitch is lucky to be alive.

Not really, his suffering in jail will be legendary if convicted. He'd probably be better off if he'd just been killed.

Oh we have laws alright. If he lived here he'd be lucky to be alive.


RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.


Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

[2011 c 336 § 354; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]


Comshaw

^^^^ That's a bullshit law. According to that I could legally beat you to death if I thought you were writing a bad check, about to go drinking, or were the 18 year old boyfriend about to sleep with my 17 year old daughter.

Which is exactly the reason why we can't have laws like that because the number of dads who would murder a the boyfriend of their baby girl is staggeringly high.

Father's position will be justified as being in defense of his child, since the act was in progress. If he'd found out the next day and hunted him down, different story. But you are legally entitled to act in self defense or in the defense of another.

Question will be did he continue the beating after the guy was no longer a threat, perhaps unconscious? Based on my examination of the subject (one photo) I say he did not. I would say that any way.

Father will never be found guilty. 2 words: jury nullification.

It may or may not have been in "defense" of the child. I'm sure the jury will buy it, but was the kid ever in "danger" in the sense that you're talking? We have no way of knowing. My guess is this was a pedo in the same vain as Catholic Priests. The kid wasn't being held down, he was being pressured and the father being present probably nullified the threat as it does in most cases of rape.

But you're right the father will almost definitely never be found guilty or even suffer any penalties for this.

Should it come to court, I can't see any jury convicting the dude. Still, the operative phrase, at least in the British legal system, is "reasonable force". Exactly what is reasonable is what the barristers get paid for.

Well this happened in Florida. Skiddles and a hoodie would have justified killing a man of his color. Being accused of child abuse and living, I think the man will walk with no issues and would have even if his idea of abuse was this guy walking past his house and waving at his son.

 

[islandman]

Nice of the dad to let the abuser live.

With luck, that's the last nice thing that'll ever happen to him.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think it varies by state and plea agreement. I might be totally wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

I hope cjh or colonel chime in.

I know that Georgia changed it from a felony to a misdemeanor if there's less than three years difference in the couple, but that's hetero only. Homo is still a capital crime, I believe.

I'll defer to AJ and his encyclopedic knowledge of child molestation laws.

 

[Dream59]

I probably would have killed him.

 

[The Heretic]

Not really, his suffering in jail will be legendary if convicted. He'd probably be better off if he'd just been killed.

I am not so sure of that.

I have heard that some prisons attempt to keep sex offenders out of the general population in order to keep them from being harmed.

http://prisonoffenders.com/prison_life.html

Also, I have heard they do not disclose what the person's crime was, so the offender is free to make up whatever crime they want (if they are smart, they do this). I have heard of more than one sex offender that was in the general population who was suddenly attacked when someone eventually found out that he was a sex offender via another source.

Of course, this can be somewhat difficult in todays world where you can look up someones name online to find out why they are in prison. I personally know someone (my ex-BIL) who is spending the next 50 years in prison because he sexually molested his daughter. I would like to think that they are making his life hell there - he deserves it - but I fear that isn't the case. I doubt he would survive very long if it was, and he has already been in prison for over 5 years.