So Cheryl Blair, wife of Tony, has said...

[p_p_man]

who could blame young people for blowing themselves up if they see there's no future for themselves or their people.

Later, Tony had to make a statement explaining what his wife actually meant.

And Cheryl made a statement apologising for any grief she may have caused the jewish victims of the latest suicide bombing in Jerusalem.

Me? I think she's right and what she said is the truth.

ppman

 

[Lovepotion69]

who could blame young people for blowing themselves up if they see there's no future for themselves or their people.

Later, Tony had to make a statement explaining what his wife actually meant.

And Cheryl made a statement apologising for any grief she may have caused the jewish victims of the latest suicide bombing in Jerusalem.

Me? I think she's right and what she said is the truth.

ppman

My friends and I couldn't believe she had to apologise. She didn't say anything in a mean way or whatever. But, hey, politics and political correctness....

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: So Cheryl Blair, wife of Tony, has said...

My friends and I couldn't believe she had to apologise. She didn't say anything in a mean way or whatever. But, hey, politics and political correctness....

I think it was wrong that she was made to apologise as well.

But Blair is too far up Bush's arse who in turn is too far up Sharon's arse for her to fight for her right to say what she did.

Even though she did so in an appropriate manner.

But as you say, politics...

ppman

 

[lovetoread]

You are not allowed to have opinions if you or your partner is in politics.

 

[woodgie2]

Cherie

Cheryl... You're probably thinking of Cheryl Baker one of the members of our wonderful Eurovision Song Contest Winning quartet, "Bucks Fizz".

 

[REDWAVE]

No Future For You!

The Sex Pistols had that right. It's not just Palestinian youth who have no future, although their lot is especially stark. Youth here in America-- "the greatest nation on earth"-- face a dismal future of unemployment, poverty, repression, war, pollution, total corporate domination of all aspects of life. . .

Unless they liberate themselves through socialist revolution, that is.

 

[cybergirly]

I think the sentiment may be right.
These are young people who have never know what it's like to live in a country not at war. Hell, they don't even know if they have there own country much of the time. They are pressured from all sides thier religion, culture, family, everything they've ever known tells them it's the right thing to do. I can certainly see thier side.

However as far as her comments go, she is Tony Blairs wife, it doesn't matter what Englands relationship is with the U.S. people were killed, and she has to be politically sensitive to that.

 

[p_p_man]

people were killed, and she has to be politically sensitive to that.

She was visibly upset at their deaths. You could see that from the video playback but her comment about her understanding the young Palestinians making themselves into suicide bombers was equally telling from the way she said "blow themselves up".

She related to them as people who had nowhere else to go against a stronger occupying force and not as brainwashed pawns.

Most people believe that as well. Just because young people choose to die for a cause they passionately believe in (and who does want an occupying force telling you how to live your life from the time you are born) it doesn't make them anything more than overzealous patriots, for whom death, by natural causes, is so far down the road, they haven't come to terms with the finality of it yet.

Cherie Blair just put it into words.

And she is a professional woman in her own right.

I suppose the true debate should be, should Prime Ministers only be married to brainless Bimbos? I wonder what Maggie Thatcher would have done in that case. Divorce Dennis and marry one of the, oops no Iwon't say it, I might get slaughtered.

ppman

 

[cybergirly]

She was visibly upset at their deaths. You could see that from the video playback but her comment about her understanding the young Palestinians making themselves into suicide bombers was equally telling from the way she said "blow themselves up".

I haven't seen the video coverage, but I still think (and like I said before in many ways I agree with her) that Blair has been in the position he is in, and thus she has been in the position she is in, long enough to know what she should say in front of the media and what she shouldn't say.

I suppose the true debate should be, should Prime Ministers only be married to brainless Bimbos? I wonder what Maggie Thatcher would have done in that case. Divorce Dennis and marry one of the, oops no Iwon't say it, I might get slaughtered.

Wow. Did you just not make a political comment? Are you feeling well? Do you need to lie down from a moment?

ppman

girly

 

[bored1]

Heres a thought, Perhaps all those homicide bombers who put all their energy into blowing up innocent people, could put the same effort into making their world better. Maybe they could begin a movement to oust Arafat. Nah, that would be real work.Its easier to kill innocents.

 

[p_p_man]

girly

Hey girly! Bad form to insert your reply into my post.

You should make any comments after it say [/QUOTE] then all is safe with the world...

 

[cybergirly]

Hey girly! Bad form to insert your reply into my post.

You should make any comments after it say

then all is safe with the world...

[/QUOTE]

Yeah well it was suppose to be a different color and it didn't work. I tried to edit it twice then I gave up.

So sorry

 

[p_p_man]

then all is safe with the world...



Yeah well it was suppose to be a different color and it didn't work. I tried to edit it twice then I gave up.

So sorry

I'm fed upwith politics for the moment. Let's get back to soccer...

See you over on 'our' thread...

 

[Wrong Element]

Of course, hopeless people have been killing themselves since the beginning of time. But suicide is one thing; the murdering of schoolchildren that we saw in Jerusalem on Tuesday is another.

Has it occurred to these idiots that the Israelis can't possibly be expected to make peace with barbarians? Or is it less about gaining a Palestinian state and more about murdering Jews for murder's sake?

I have no problem with Ms. Blair speaking her mind, but I strongly disagree with her characterization of exactly who the "victim" side is here.

 

[SINthysist]

The New Nazis
Steve Malzberg
Tuesday, June 18, 2002
When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I turn into a suicide warrior, I turn into a suicide warrior, in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress. Thank you. – an 8-year-old girl shown on Palestinian TV on a show considered to be equal to our "Sesame Street"
Currently there are 19 dead (I never include the bomber along with his victims) and over 40 wounded. Many are children. The bus was packed with students. That's precisely why it was targeted. The goal of these subhuman monsters is primarily to kill Jews. The Jews of choice are women and children.
Just what exactly is going on here? That's easy. We are all witnessing an attempt by the Arab world governments in general, and the Palestinian Authority in particular, to finish the job that Hitler started. Six million is not enough for these New Nazis; they want the rest to disappear as well.

Let's suppose for a moment that instead of 70 homicide bombings there had been 70 instances of mass kidnappings. For example, instead of seeking out civilian-filled places to blow up, what if the terrorists simply went to these places and forced dozens of women and children into several vehicles and took them away into the West Bank or the Gaza Strip?

Let's suppose that once there, the hostages were hustled into small makeshift gas chambers that were strategically located throughout the civilian populations, similar to the way the bomb factories are distributed there.

Let's suppose that instead of being blown up, these Israeli captives were gassed to death in those small gas chambers. Hundreds of them in 70 different incidents over the course of 21 months. Would we then call these terrorists and those that support them what they really are? Would we hesitate for a moment to call them Nazis?

So what's the difference between gassing these innocent Jews and blowing them up?

The answer is that there is no difference.

The Arab world governments and specifically the Palestinian Authority are raising and supporting the new wave of Nazis. They are out to kill the Jews, and they believe that they will go to heaven for it.

The father of the Nazi who blew up the bus today in Jerusalem told Reuters that he was "very happy that my son was the bomber."

How about the words of this proud mom. Her name is Naima al Obeid. Her 23-year-old son, Mahmoud, was shot dead after killing two Israeli soldiers near the Gaza settlement of Dujit last Saturday. Before he left to go Jew hunting, his mommy made a video with him in which she told him, "G-d willing, you will succeed. May every bullet hit its target, and may G-d give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Sick, you say? Try this. When she was asked about the killing of Israeli women and children, Mama Nazi replied, "The women and children are also Jews. And I want to tell Jewish mothers: Take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred and when your sons die, they go to hell."

There are nine more little Nazis-in-waiting at home with mama.

And then there's Mariam Farhat. Her Nazi son Mohammed broke into a study hall at a nearby Jewish settlement in Gaza back in March. He used grenades and automatic rifles instead of gas, and he killed five Israeli students and wounded 23 before he could be stopped.

Here's what his Nazi mama had to say to the camera: "When I see all the Jews in Palestine killed, that will be enough for me. I wish he will kill as many of them as he can, so they will be scared."

It's really no wonder that these people think this way. Just read, look at or listen to the state-run Arab media and you get a handbook on how to create today's New Nazi.

Saudi TV features a little girl being asked by the interviewer about the Jews. "They are monkeys and apes," she says.

Another Saudi hit shows a man claiming to be a psychiatrist telling the interviewer about the thrill of blowing yourself up. "Counting down – 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 – and when he gets to 1 and pushes the button, that's the height of euphoria."

Saudi newspapers tell the Arab world that Jews use human blood to make pastries.

Palestinian Authority TV isn't any better. In a scene dated Dec.14, 1994, a young Palestinian man is shown repeatedly stabbing a Jewish man in a car stopped in the West Bank

Palestinian TV broadcasts a sermon given at a mosque. "They are all liars. They must all be massacred. They must all be killed. Have no pity for them. Wherever they are, wherever you meet them … kill the Jews!"

Still another sermon on PA TV, as a young child is shown listening intently: "Bless those who put the belt around his waist or his sons and enter deeply in the Jewish community and say Allah is great. As the building collapsed on the heads of the Jews ..."

Then there's the Palestinian Authority TV version of our own "Sesame Street." Here young children are shown getting up in front of other youngsters and performing: "Each and every part of your soul. I have drenched with all my blood, and we shall march as warriors ..."

Another child takes over: "… When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I turn into a suicide warrior, I turn into a suicide warrior, in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress."

The child then says, "Thank you," and the teacher shouts, "Bravo! Bravo!" as the students applaud wildly.

Could Hitler have done it any better?

 

[bored1]

Excellent read SINthysist, To bad the Palestinian lovers and apoligists will never agree.

 

[Gord]

pro palestinians or pro Israeli - it doesnt really matter -

the thing about her comment is that she " understands" young palestinians

Sure cherie I am sure you do - your upbringing and privilileged life style sure does bring you into daily contact with young Palestinians.

Ok she is entitled to a view as we all are but she knows as much about what it is like to live in the Middle East as I do and that is just about fuck all