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So all day I hear the anguish that Mo Ali lost 4 yrs from his fight career and how

KnotAgain said:
brave he was:mad:

58K young Americans that DIED were unavailable for comment:cool:
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Aren't you of Viet Nam era age? What branch were you drafted into?


We all see that you're too chicken to go kill muzzies and want someone else to do it; now that you are older.

But in your prime I'm sure you would have jumped at the chance to go kill some commies.

amiright?
 
JohnnySavage said:
Aren't you of Viet Nam era age? What branch were you drafted into?


We all see that you're too chicken to go kill muzzies and want someone else to do it; now that you are older.

But in your prime I'm sure you would have jumped at the chance to go kill some commies.

amiright?
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my draft numer was 278:cool:

that ISNT the point, EvasiveSavage
 
its not that he didnt serve

its that he was supposed to, and DIDNT

he let others die while he reaped teh reward



huge difference

NotDiscerningSavage
 
KnotAgain said:
its not that he didnt serve

its that he was supposed to, and DIDNT

he let others die while he reaped teh reward



huge difference

NotDiscerningSavage
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And now that we have an all-volunteer military, of course, nobody is SUPPOSED to serve, so now all those who "let others die" while reaping whatever rewards they reap are just........good old law abiding civillians.

The right we have now for each individual to decide whether military service is "appropriate" for them or whether a specific war or American combat action is worth risking one's life for is widely accepted. I think it is good policy in most instances.

But I'll be damned if I will use what is a wise defense policy now to condemn those who exercised the same judgment during Vietnam, draft laws or no -- especially when a conscientious objector like Ali DID NOT flee the country and stood ready to go to jail.

And, no, the SAME LAW you maintain compelled him to serve absolved him from that service based on a decision handed down by the Supreme Court.

I had the advantage of a high draft number as well, and feel no shame or remorse because the laws, as enacted by Congress, made provisions for college deferments. But I learned to stop judging Vietnam veterans as "baby killers" and Vietnam war resistors as "draft dodgers" a long, long time ago.

But our use of the law -- yours and mine -- was not one iota less legal or "dishonorable" than the legal road taken by Muhammad Ali. So kindly eat a dick.
 
Muhammad Ali had the moral courage to refuse induction into the military for a war that he believed was wrong. That's far superior to using a false medical deferment for bone spurs that mysteriously healed in time for Donald Trump to play college sports. Ali was willing to go to prison, to give up his boxing title at the peak of his career, and to suffer who knew what else, just to stand on principle as a conscientious objector.

So, no, you don't have the first clue of what the fuck you are saying. Muhammad Ali was a far better man than you'll ever be.
 
Ali had no halo

I grew up 10 miles from Cassius Clay, he was two years older. Don't be putting a halo on his head. He scored so low on his army induction test he would have been qualified only for menial task. Once he won the title from Liston, the Muslins got a hold of him and took a huge percentage of his purses. His nick name was The Louisville Lip, people all over the USA didn't like him because of his loud mouth.
Married about 4? times. Now I will grant you he was probably the best heavy weight boxer of all time. I am just amazed that all these aloclades are coming his way now.
 
I wonder who is still holding a grudge against me from forty years ago. I have tried to live a better life because I have recognized some of my mistakes. The anger you feel for me now at this late date only harms you.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
And now that we have an all-volunteer military, of course, nobody is SUPPOSED to serve, so now all those who "let others die" while reaping whatever rewards they reap are just........good old law abiding civillians.

The right we have now for each individual to decide whether military service is "appropriate" for them or whether a specific war or American combat action is worth risking one's life for is widely accepted. I think it is good policy in most instances.

But I'll be damned if I will use what is a wise defense policy now to condemn those who exercised the same judgment during Vietnam, draft laws or no -- especially when a conscientious objector like Ali DID NOT flee the country and stood ready to go to jail.

And, no, the SAME LAW you maintain compelled him to serve absolved him from that service based on a decision handed down by the Supreme Court.

I had the advantage of a high draft number as well, and feel no shame or remorse because the laws, as enacted by Congress, made provisions for college deferments. But I learned to stop judging Vietnam veterans as "baby killers" and Vietnam war resistors as "draft dodgers" a long, long time ago.

But our use of the law -- yours and mine -- was not one iota less legal or "dishonorable" than the legal road taken by Muhammad Ali. So kindly eat a dick.
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What was he conscientiously objecting to?

:eek:

There was no way he was ever going to face any combat...

And before the chicken-shits can call me a coward, I volunteered for the Marines.
 
Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and every body just loves him, so I think refusing to serve your country is no longer to any post draft generation
 
KnotAgain said:
its not that he didnt serve

its that he was supposed to, and DIDNT

he let others die while he reaped teh reward



huge difference

NotDiscerningSavage
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Ah, yes, the reward of being tried and convicted: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...go-today-Muhammad-Ali-refused-the-5435356.php That lucky, lucky bastard. Tell me, do you think it's more moral to make a stand for your beliefs as a conscientious objector, or to take a gun because someone tells you to, go halfway across the world, and try to kill people you've never met before?
 
A few points.

1. Bill Clinton was not a draft dodger. He had a high draft number, but at least he submitted to the draft lottery when all was said and done.
2. Muhammad Ali was not a draft dodger. He was a conscientious objector, who stood on principle for opposition to a war that he thought was immoral.
3. Donald Trump was a draft dodger, because he used a phony medical deferment for a physical condition that never stopped him playing college sports.
 
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