Slippery Consent

[peterpan]

mutilato, "Heres an interesting idea" thread prompted this question...

How many types of 'Slippery consent' can you think of? I mean really fundamentally different.

Lets dispense with the common ones:

Blackmail,
Mind control (and drugs)
Threat of violence

I guess false identity is another, more generally lies in any form (would not have consented if known truth)

I think another possibility is where someone consents to sex in order to preserve their own falsehood

Need of money, food, addiction, favor etc.

A favorite of mine is where someone would have consented but for some point of honour, eg the oath in Xanthopella or the idealogical anamosity in Q&A.

 

[peterpan]

this one might be a bit silly, but what about a competition where the woman that orgasms last wins the cash. Her team of guys work to bring the other women to orgasm while the guys of other womens teams may target her. She can punch and bite and kick, but the men cannot use violence.

Problem is, in reality, would you necessarily know? It is probably more obvious with guys.

 

[NASCARaddicted]

I guess false identity is another, more generally lies in any form (would not have consented if known truth)

Almost the same:

I know this one case: This guy tells his girlfriend about blindfold sex. She likes the idea, so the guy blindfolds her eyes and fucks her. However, the guy also invited a friend of his. While the girl is still blindfold, he invites this nerd to fuck her, too (of course, the girl doesn't hear this). Later, they take the blindfold off, and when she sees that she was fucked by this nerd. She is extremly pissed and so she sews the nerd and her (ex) boyfriend. The girl said, she wanted sex with this nerd, so she called it rape.

Another similar story: A woman has the first date with this guy. In the end, they have sex at the home of the guy. He fucks her really good. Then, he says, he has to go to the restroom. He comes back, and fucks her again. Then, again he has to go to the restroom ... this goes on for some time, until the woman is tired and falls asleep. The next morning, she wakes up, and she notices, that there are 2 men laying in the bed. The guy from last night - and his identical twin. So, one after the other, they fucked her. When the woman hears this, she starts to laugh.

 

[Guest]

mutilato, "Heres an interesting idea" thread prompted this question...

How many types of 'Slippery consent' can you think of? I mean really fundamentally different ...

How about "Celebrity Fucks" where anyone goes if they are famous enough?

Also "Famous Places" anyone goes if they will do it in a quiet corner in Carnegie Hall during a concert, etc.?

 

[Chicklet]

on a serious note

someone who has been drinking or taking drugs - is their consent really worth anything at this point?

someone who says yes but means no

someone who says no but means "force me"

someone who fears that if they say no their lover will desert them. have you ever been in a situation where you feared that if you did NOT consent to what was going on you would be dumped? I think that this is a form of nonconsent.

 

[sirhugs]

like Chicklet said, but add:

someone who does it with another to please a friend or lover

doing it for "country" (eg. a spy)

doing it as a game( Twister gets carried away)

 

[NASCARaddicted]

just some time ago, I saw this japanes movie (a comedy).

The police was hunting this "Jack the Ripper" guy. A mad killer who slaughtered hookers.

So, at one day, this one, hot looking female police officer (everyone of the male cops flirts with her) said, she wants to try something new. She went to the red-light district, as a bait. So, after some time, there came this guy (a normal looking guy, nothing special) who wanted to fuck her (remember, she was dressed like a hooker). She said o.k. and went to a prepared room with this guy. In this room, there were hidden cameras. In the next room, there were other cops. They watched the bait, just to make sure, that she wasn't in danger.

So to make it realistic, she undressed and then she fucked with the guy. All the time, the other cops where in this room and watched them. This happened quiet a few times. (later, one of the cops even got a wig - he wanted to hire her for a fuck).


Another slippery consent: I heard this story: A guy was on holiday in Asia. He met this one girl and talked to her. He asked her, if he can date her - Yes. He asked her, if she likes him - Yes. All the time, the girl was cool and enjoyed everything She laughed about his jokes and stuff like that. Then, he asked her, if he can fuck her - yes

But after the sex, she was totatally different. She was obviously pissed and sad.

Later, someone explained this guy: Many girls in this country want to please the tourists. They always learned to say "Yes". So a "yes" can men "Yes" or "Maybe" and even "No". So, maybe she said "Yes" just out of politeness but in real she ment "no" ...

So it's like Chicklet said: Someone said yes but means no.

Also: I guess this is too far, but: Let's say, there is this party. There is a girl, a real slut. She is wearing a short skirt without pants. At this party, she has sex with a few guys. Also, she has many drinks. So, after some time, she passes out, totally drunk. However: when she lies on the floor, everyone can see her pussy. So, before she passed out, she had sex with many guys. But now, she can't "yes", and she can't say "no".

And I remember this one movie "Last Exit Brooklyn" The actress Jennifer Jason Leigh played the hooker "Tralala" (what a strange name). I can't remember exactly why, but at one time, she went nuts. She goes to this pub, full of sailors and yells at them: "You can fuck me for free" All this sailors are really sex hungry, so they fuck her one after the other. During the sex, she passes out, but still, the sailors keep on fucking her.
I gotta say, when I saw this scene where about 50-100 sailors fucked her, I was really shocked. I thought the scene was really very depressing - it made me sick (and just to add: this was on midnight tv)

 

[Chicklet]

lying

What about lying to someone to get in the sack? This inspired by Animal House

(my girlfriend just died, make me feel better) (i'm 18, really I am)

 

[NASCARaddicted]

sounds interesting, but I think it has to be a good believable lie.

a guy to a gothic girl "Doctors told me that I will die very soon within the next 4 weeks, but my biggest wish hasn't been fulfilled. I always wanted to have sex with a dark haired chick with pale white skin and very big boobs - just like you. So please, fuck with me"

a boss to this woman "fuck with me, and you will get a money rise" (but then, he doesn't give her the rise - she can't prove that he offered her the rise, so she can't sue him)

Or this (ugly ?) girl: "I will become a nun very soon, so then I have to obey the celibacy. But I am a virgin, so this would be the only time that I have sex in my whole life ..."

 

[NASCARaddicted]

now, I don't know if this is also slippery consent, but ...

There is this girl. She wants to have sex with this one guy, but she doesn't know how to seduce him.

So, she starts to dress up very erotic - almost like a slut. Short skirt, no pants, garter belt, stockings, high heels, a very short top ....

So, the guy gets really horny. Suddenly, something in his head makes "click". He grabs her, throws her down to the ground and raises her skirt. Then, he fucks her. It could be called rape. But on the other side, the girl wanted to be fucked by this guy. Maybe not like this, on the ground, in a remote place ... but she wanted sex with him. So she enjoys it, and dislikes it, both at the same time.

Could this be called slippery consent ?

 

[sirhugs]

now, I don't know if this is also slippery consent, but ...

There is this girl. She wants to have sex with this one guy, but she doesn't know how to seduce him.

So, she starts to dress up very erotic - almost like a slut. Short skirt, no pants, garter belt, stockings, high heels, a very short top ....

So, the guy gets really horny. Suddenly, something in his head makes "click". He grabs her, throws her down to the ground and raises her skirt. Then, he fucks her. It could be called rape. But on the other side, the girl wanted to be fucked by this guy. Maybe not like this, on the ground, in a remote place ... but she wanted sex with him. So she enjoys it, and dislikes it, both at the same time.

Could this be called slippery consent ?

I do't know, but it seems like a plot!