Slamming AI with Kinkery

[sxPlasticity]

Okay, so I have a story idea for Femdom interested kinksters, which I am wondering if it is okay to propose here.

The idea is to overwrite an AI written story, so it is actually more human and realistic.

I have been experimenting with AI - (Google Gemini) - just as an experiment... and I can get it to write all sorts of stuff... yippie...

However, Gemini is pretty benign, and it wont even use profanity at all... I'm sure it could, but it wont... So - while experimenting - what I did was to create a benign fictional outline of a Femdom male slave story, and I told Gemini to finish it... in a humorous manner...

I wont post it here because I dont want Gemini or you all to complain about me... but I will tell you I think it would be fun to rewrite... like humans, not humanoids... i am happy to share over email...

So here's the plot, if you want to help me maul the manuscript...

Not being able to use profanity, I basically told it...

XX buys a monkey named XY from MsMMmmmm....
XX takes XY for walk
XX train XY obedience
XY not listen to XX
XX take XY home to teach him rules AD_INFINITUM
XX soon want money back from MsMMmmmm
XX take XY back to MsMMmmmm in cage
MsMMmmmm say no refunds
XX visit psychologist with XY in cage
dialogue ensues
XX stuck with XY

I had Gemini write this out a bunch of different ways, and it is actually pretty funny... but it is not human, nor is it... well, it's just not real...

The goal is to overwrite it... edit it... tear it apart... make it human...

So... it could be adapted a bunch of different ways... you could even write it a S/switch or a M/f story... my own preference is a F/m scenario... but right now I just want to see how much I can get it to change around...

It's more of an ideas thing for me...

If you'd be interested in participating... Let me know...

I never really did come up with anything postable on here yet... I figure I gotta learn the ropes somehow...

So...

Anyway...

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I have been experimenting with AI

Don't.

 

[sxPlasticity]

well, its a little late for that...
But what say you why not?
And, yes, I mean that as a respectfully intended...

 

[Rob_Royale]

But what say you why not?

Well, your either a writer or you're not. If you're using AI - you're not. You want to write? Then write. If you're not good at it, keep trying until you are. None of us popped from the womb as writers. We put in the time and the effort. No shortcuts.

Now you want to use an AI, that was fed the stories of real writers, to create its program, and you're looking for acceptance? You are on the wong website.

 

[txblush]

Well, your either a writer or you're not. If you're using AI - you're not. You want to write? Then write. If you're not good at it, keep trying until you are. None of us popped from the womb as writers. We put in the time and the effort. No shortcuts.

Now you want to use an AI, that was fed the stories of real writers, to create its program, and you're looking for acceptance? You are on the wong website.

I'm not looking for acceptance. I'm expressing my point of view on the topic. Oh, and where were you when I needed support and encouragement to continue writing an epic novel of 296K words, the last time I checked?

 

[yano2mch]

Well, your either a writer or you're not. If you're using AI - you're not. You want to write? Then write. If you're not good at it, keep trying until you are. None of us popped from the womb as writers. We put in the time and the effort. No shortcuts.

Now you want to use an AI, that was fed the stories of real writers, to create its program, and you're looking for acceptance? You are on the wrong website.

I'm not advocating for heavy use of AI (in this or other threads). But the implication that you aren't a writer unless every single word was written by you is absurd to me.

I don't think someone should write a prompt make a huge book and sell it without the effort involved; But neither do i think 100% of the content needs to be wholly human made. Hell i could probably hire a ghost writer and then 0% of what i will own when i hand over money will be mine, and yet it will not break the rules. Or maybe i can just literally re-type what an AI wrote, and then BOOM i wrote it 100%. But that's just busy-work, especially when the text was perfectly serviceable.

Personally i was (and am) hoping that i'd do more a roleplay, where the partner is an AI and happens to give me feedback i need in order to write. For me it's a way to get past a hurdle i can't get past otherwise, where i need some external interaction or feedback in order to proceed. Why can't i write every single person's events in the book/story i write? I don't know, i just know i can't.


Now let's not split hairs. I'm a geek, a perv, furry, programmer, gamer, roleplayer and home cook. But for whatever reasons i am not creative. I can solve problems, but i can't figure out a problem to solve that would make me millions of dollars. But i can interact intelligently and solve quite a few problems when presented to me. But continuing it is a lot like playing chess. i need a second player. Yes i COULD play both sides, but after i switch sides a few times i get bored because i don't get the unpredictable or external input i need.

 

[txblush]

I'm not advocating for heavy use of AI (in this or other threads). But the implication that you aren't a writer unless every single word was written by you is absurd to me.

I don't think someone should write a prompt make a huge book and sell it without the effort involved; But neither do i think 100% of the content needs to be wholly human made. Hell i could probably hire a ghost writer and then 0% of what i will own when i hand over money will be mine, and yet it will not break the rules. Or maybe i can just literally re-type what an AI wrote, and then BOOM i wrote it 100%. But that's just busy-work, especially when the text was perfectly serviceable.

Personally i was (and am) hoping that i'd do more a roleplay, where the partner is an AI and happens to give me feedback i need in order to write. For me it's a way to get past a hurdle i can't get past otherwise, where i need some external interaction or feedback in order to proceed. Why can't i write every single person's events in the book/story i write? I don't know, i just know i can't.


Now let's not split hairs. I'm a geek, a perv, furry, programmer, gamer, roleplayer and home cook. But for whatever reasons i am not creative. I can solve problems, but i can't figure out a problem to solve that would make me millions of dollars. But i can interact intelligently and solve quite a few problems when presented to me. But continuing it is a lot like playing chess. i need a second player. Yes i COULD play both sides, but after i switch sides a few times i get bored because i don't get the unpredictable or external input i nee

It's absurd to me as well.

I'd also like to add that, as a writer, it wasn't enough for me to post a story on Lit. I wanted to be a part of a community of writers who understood that writing isn't easy, but there are people willing to help. Apparently, I was incredibly naive.

 

[yano2mch]

I'd also like to add that, as a writer, it wasn't enough for me to post a story on Lit. I wanted to be a part of a community of writers who understood that writing isn't easy, but there are people willing to help. Apparently, I was incredibly naive.

I'm willing to help, be it to give thoughts on a writing, change in formatting or what sticks out or may be needed; Though my technical skills are probably more valuable than my RP/Writing advice.

It's also too easy to put TOO much on your plate and then not want to touch any of it.

 

[TheOtherTeacher]

You'll probably get caught by the AI sensor and get refused publication on this site, regardless of how many words you rewrite.

Because the sensor looks at many things, including grammar, frequency of certain words, ratio of active to passive sentences etc.

The AI sensor is more likely to falsely flag a real human's work as AI than let an AI article get past.

Write or rewrite what you want. But don't expect to get it published on this site.

 

[yano2mch]

You'll probably get caught by the AI sensor and get refused publication on this site, regardless of how many words you rewrite.

Because the sensor looks at many things, including grammar, frequency of certain words, ratio of active to passive sentences etc.

The AI sensor is more likely to falsely flag a real human's work as AI than let an AI article get past.

Write or rewrite what you want. But don't expect to get it published on this site.

I've published nothing (as you can probably see), because i didn't come here to break rules. I signed up, then afterwards find myself a bit offput how overtly strict they are. I can understand why they have said rules, but at the same time content is content. Good content (regardless of creation method) will rise and be enjoyed, and bad content will likely be abandoned and sink to the bottom.

I just wish everyone was honest, and if an AI tag is added to a story, people who didn't want something with any AI involvement can choose to ignore it (in fact it can be thrown to the bottom by default for all i care). Though I'd wager few people would mark things as such even if they were given the option with the way it's being stigmatized.

 

[txblush]

The AI sensor is more likely to falsely flag a real human's work as AI than let an AI article get past.

I've read another person's frustration with having his work flagged as AI-generated. I feel for him because I know how hard it is to write authentically about sexuality.

 

[txblush]

I've published nothing (as you can probably see), because i didn't come here to break rules. I signed up, then afterwards find myself a bit offput how overtly strict they are. I can understand why they have said rules, but at the same time content is content. Good content (regardless of creation method) will rise and be enjoyed, and bad content will likely be abandoned and sink to the bottom.

I just wish everyone was honest, and if an AI tag is added to a story, people who didn't want something with any AI involvement can choose to ignore it (in fact it can be thrown to the bottom by default for all i care). Though I'd wager few people would mark things as such even if they were given the option with the way it's being stigmatized.

I'll refer back to the comment I made in a previous post about the stigma placed on writers who wanted to self-publish when it was considered the worst thing a writer could do if they wanted to be taken seriously.

 

[txblush]

It's also too easy to put TOO much on your plate and then not want to touch any of it.

Been there. Done that. I spent a pretty penny on a critique of a novel I wrote years ago. Bottom line. The BDSM world-building was highly praised, but I was advised to rewrite the rest of it. I buried myself in data at work instead.

 

[Brandnewbuddy]

I'm not advocating for heavy use of AI (in this or other threads). But the implication that you aren't a writer unless every single word was written by you is absurd to me.

I don't think someone should write a prompt make a huge book and sell it without the effort involved; But neither do i think 100% of the content needs to be wholly human made. Hell i could probably hire a ghost writer and then 0% of what i will own when i hand over money will be mine, and yet it will not break the rules. Or maybe i can just literally re-type what an AI wrote, and then BOOM i wrote it 100%. But that's just busy-work, especially when the text was perfectly serviceable.

Personally i was (and am) hoping that i'd do more a roleplay, where the partner is an AI and happens to give me feedback i need in order to write. For me it's a way to get past a hurdle i can't get past otherwise, where i need some external interaction or feedback in order to proceed. Why can't i write every single person's events in the book/story i write? I don't know, i just know i can't.

That is the dumbest fucking argument I have heard in some time and I literally spent half of week arguing with meth heads. You hire a ghost writer you at least employed a writer who put their voice into it. If you copy a machine’s work you just copied a machine’s work.

Writing is not just putting words on a page. It is reaching into your mental stew pulling it out and then turning it into art. It’s grabbing a ball of clay turning it into the first thing that comes to mind. Writing, typing, on paper or digital screen and figuring out what you want to do is the crux of writing

If you roleplay with a machine you aren’t going to get real advice, you are going to get advice based on advice that it has been told is the correct response. At best you will just crank out souless garbage.

Okay, so if you made it through that I am going to give you some tools:

Journaling games. You need prompts? You need something that you can bounce off of but has some criteria and rules? Play journaling games.

here are three I reccomend:

1. Thousand year old Vampire: have trouble writing characters? Have trouble capturing progression? Here is a game where by the end of it, you will have created an amazing character. I have seen people that boldly declare they have no artistic talent spawn forth a tale of loss and horror after a game session

2. Carved by the Garden: wretched and Alone system so it’s a bit more involved (you’ll need playing cards and a tumbling tower or an equivalent). You want to tell a story of obsession, of guilt, of horror? Well here you go. It starts with you writing a letter to people who are scared for your safety yet you can’t turn away from the forest. By the end of my first game I had gone from just a little old man to a full PTSD afflicted bastard who awoke a sleeping god (and that was my own imagination just bumping against the prompts)

3. Tarnation: so this one is very simple to play. Just some d6s. The setting is Weird West but each adventure is just a goal and a clock with advancements. You are free to spin a tale as wild as you want.

If you need prompts, if you need something to spark your creativity: try these games and grow your imagination and skills instead of flattening them by bouncing off a machine that is not AI, just a collection of rules put there by someone who also is not a writer.

 

[sxPlasticity]

It's also too easy to put TOO much on your plate and then not want to touch any of it.

That's true, and it was a part of what I was originally saying about knowing how to use AI as a writing tool.

The way it writes is so "much", it's like hard to keep up with it, and eventually you do have to take the first commenters response and say "Don't". It will simply keep going an going, and somewhere a human will have to say "Enough!".

That said, it can still be helpful. I've gotten it to write computer code effectively. Stuff that would take two hours to program, I might get it to write in five minutes or less... Granted you still have to know what to ask it, and, when it is too much, or - yes, if it is wrong (and it does make mistakes)... you have to know what it did, where it left off, etc...

For instance, take the story outline I described in the OP... I told Gemini to generate the original story, which produced about 500 words in about 20 seconds, and it was mostly stated in the POV of the lady who bought the monkey... This essentially would constitute the main Domme's perspective...

So I thought about it and said, "now put it into the monkey's perspective", which would essentially generate the sub's perspective... same story... different pov, 500 words in about 20 seconds...

Now we are up to about 1,000 words...

Then I told it to generate the narrator's perspective by combining both stories...

Now we are up to 2000 words....

Thinking it needed a backstory to make the monkey look naughty, I told it to generate a prior Domme, who had had it with the monkey... so that's why she sold him to the main Femdom character... and it added on roughly another 500 words...

So now we are up to 2500 words...

Finally, I had to end it somehow, so I told it to make the Domme drag the monkey in a cage to therapy... and then give it an epilogue ending with a question...

So it ended somewhere around 3000 words... SFW... and kind of funny... it's actually a pretty normal sounding story with no kink in it at all... just a few everyday people and an ill behaved monkey...

But there is a Part II to this... a lot of the legal ownership of the work is governed also by copyright, so to claim it as your own, you'd have to rewrite in the manner of what is called "Transformative Use"... In Gemini's case, embellishing it with profanity is not something it would do, so the inclusion of profanity would make it your own... You could do other things with it as well, but in this case I asked it directly if profanity would be enough of a transformation to constitute a unique form associated with the author's original work, and it said yes it would... so essentially, it forfeited the work to any such embellishments...

Frankly, I dont care... I mean, I just wanted to see what it would do, how I could get it to work, and - since most all art tends to repeat itself - how I could generate old works into new one's as my own according to transformative use laws...

Theorhetically, that might mean, one story could generate an infinite number of unique forms derived from it, but I asked it if it was infinitely sustainable, and it said no... I dont know how it drew that distinction, however... and it seemed like more than I cared to learn at the time...

So I will send you what it made...

It IS a funny, playful story... It's not complete, aside from what AI wrote, which is complete... but my intention has been to share it to see what people could do with it...

Not really into mean spirited or judgmental stuff... Believe me, if you wanted to get AI to psychoanalyze some posts and responses, so it would rewrite them to squash your enemies like a bug - it would have no problem doing that... No, I am not interested in that kind of negative hostility anymore, although I would caution people who live in glass houses not to throw stones... because this stuff tends to follow us around, whether we know it or not... Gemini is rather benign, but Google knows us better than we do ourselves...

In any case, it is what it is, and I am not out to start a fight... I just want to learn, as I always have... I can send off the transcripts, if you are up to read around 3500 words about a lady who buys a bad monkey she cant train or return... of course, the monkey is her slave, and she gets to have a lot of fun spanking her monkey every time he is naughty... so it's not like she doesnt get something out of it...

The rest is like smut-icing on the cake... which could get pretty frosty, if you think about it enough... ewwww.... LOL

 

[yano2mch]

That is the dumbest fucking argument I have heard in some time and I literally spent half of week arguing with meth heads. You hire a ghost writer you at least employed a writer who put their voice into it. If you copy a machine’s work you just copied a machine’s work.

Maybe. But the fact it can be accepted when 0% of it is my own work shows quite a bit of hypocrisy.

Writing is not just putting words on a page. It is reaching into your mental stew pulling it out and then turning it into art. It’s grabbing a ball of clay turning it into the first thing that comes to mind. Writing, typing, on paper or digital screen and figuring out what you want to do is the crux of writing

Well i can write the first five pages; Then i have nothing else to give because i get stuck. Sorry, give me clay, i'll give you a handle to a cup. It's not art, and it's not complete. Why won't you let me use the damn pottery wheel when it's there?

If you roleplay with a machine you aren’t going to get real advice, you are going to get advice based on advice that it has been told is the correct response. At best you will just crank out souless garbage.

I'll be the judge if it's soulless garbage, if it doesn't flow or feel right i'd happily throw it out. But i'd guess you haven't tried roleplaying with a 25B-70B models. They are actually pretty decent.

I guess the phrase fits. 'You'd rather have 100% of 10,000, than 10% of a billion'.

 

[sxPlasticity]

You'll probably get caught by the AI sensor and get refused publication on this site, regardless of how many words you rewrite.

Because the sensor looks at many things, including grammar, frequency of certain words, ratio of active to passive sentences etc.

The AI sensor is more likely to falsely flag a real human's work as AI than let an AI article get past.

Write or rewrite what you want. But don't expect to get it published on this site.

Oh dear...The infamous "AI Sensor"...

To be completely honesty, I'm really not worried about getting published on a site that wont pay me for what I write, so much as making fully scripted dialogues for actual movies and films I can sell...

From what I have learned, 3/4 of the books that go to publishing houses will get rejected, and the "submissions file" is really just an excuse to say no...

Self-publishing is always an option, but then you're dealing at the level of Amazon or X.com... and you'd probably make more money leaning against a lamp post beside a dark alley... Not really my thing...

So that leaves open the question of how to be the 1/4 that find a back door... no pun intended...

 

[sxPlasticity]

Hey... I dont know who the mod is here... but I could post the monkey story here, if it would be acceptable...

Again, I am not out to violate any rule or laws or anything... The author, Gemini, is already stated as the owner, so it could fall under fair use probably... maybe... sorta... I think...

Then we could rewrite it and rip it apart and everything a much as we want... which actually sounds kind of fun... because they arent realt characters...

I just dont want to post anything Lit is going to delete or get mad at me for posting...

 

[yano2mch]

I have been experimenting with AI - (Google Gemini) - just as an experiment... and I can get it to write all sorts of stuff... yippie...

Personally I've been experimenting with offline LLM's. You get really iffy results 3B-8B (although fairly fast). 33B-50B aren't bad. 70B are decent and what I'm stuck on. (B stands for Billions of nodes/parameters, and uses a similar amount of RAM)

I've even tried a 235B model on very low quantization so i could even run it; And it analyzed an incomplete story getting details right where others failed; And even partially continued it pretty well while also keeping track of characters, what they were doing and lots of details where other models failed.

I am not sure I'd ever want to use a cloud/public LLM for privacy reasons and censorship reasons.

 

[sxPlasticity]

Personally I've been experimenting with offline LLM's. You get really iffy results 3B-8B (although fairly fast). 33B-50B aren't bad. 70B are decent and what I'm stuck on. (B stands for Billions of nodes/parameters, and uses a similar amount of RAM)

I've even tried a 235B model on very low quantization so i could even run it; And it analyzed an incomplete story getting details right where others failed; And even partially continued it pretty well while also keeping track of characters, what they were doing and lots of details where other models failed.

I am not sure I'd ever want to use a cloud/public LLM for privacy reasons and censorship reasons.

What are you using?
I'm running mine on python.

 

[sxPlasticity]

It gives the term digital insertion a whole new meaning.

 

[sxPlasticity]

Trying to avoid sql injections though... so yes, offline sounds good...

 

[yano2mch]

What are you using?
I'm running mine on python.

Using combination oogabooga Text-Completion-webui, Koboldcpp, and SillyTavern.

Models to include Space Wars (24B), Stranger Thoughts (33B), and Anubis Lemonade (70B)

 

[sxPlasticity]

LOL
I was just getting ready to go to bed...

I'm going to crash... ttys...

 

[PennyThompson]

What are we drinking this time, @AwkwardMD ? Tonight was my Friday, so I made myself a Smoky Mezcal Old Fashioned with Illegal Tequila instead of bourbon