Skinhead wedding cake with Swastika decoration

[renard_ruse]

Should a baker be allowed to discriminate by refusing to bake a cake with a Swastika for a skinhead or neo-Nazi couple?

 

[renard_ruse]

You might argue that political opinion isn't covered by anti-"discrimination" laws but it could also be argued that opposition to the cake could be based in part on racial or ethnic discrimination.

If the neo-Nazi couple are white and the baker objects to whites with views he/she doesn't like, then race could be reasonably considered a factor in the refusal.

 

[renard_ruse]

Once we start down the road of telling people who they can or can't hire, who they can or can't serve, what they can or can't decide to do as a proprietor it makes perfect sense to come to this conclusion.

Goldwater was right in raising these concerns back in the 60s. There is a huge difference between the government discriminating and even mandating discrimination and freedom of individuals to "discriminate" if they want to.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Should a baker be allowed to discriminate by refusing to bake a cake with a Swastika for a skinhead or neo-Nazi couple?

You might argue that political opinion isn't covered by anti-"discrimination" laws but it could also be argued that opposition to the cake could be based in part on racial or ethnic discrimination.

If the neo-Nazi couple are white and the baker objects to whites with views he/she doesn't like, then race could be reasonably considered a factor in the refusal.

Once we start down the road of telling people who they can or can't hire, who they can or can't serve, what they can or can't decide to do as a proprietor it makes perfect sense to come to this conclusion.

Goldwater was right in raising these concerns back in the 60s. There is a huge difference between the government discriminating and even mandating discrimination and freedom of individuals to "discriminate" if they want to.

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[renard_ruse]

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Is that Braille?

 

[RoryN]

If I were the baker, I would bake the cake and, on the top, write: "Good luck to the happy, racist couple."

If they complained, I would refund their money.

If they said, "we want it done right", I would suggest to them that they try another baker.

 

[Liar]

Should a baker be allowed to discriminate by refusing to bake a cake with a Swastika for a skinhead or neo-Nazi couple?

No. He can definitely refuse to make a swastika cake.

Can he refuse to sell an ordinary cake to nazis? That's a different question.

 

[renard_ruse]

If I were the baker, I would bake the cake and, on the top, write: "Good luck to the happy, racist couple."

If they complained, I would refund their money.

If they said, "we want it done right", I would suggest to them that they try another baker.

Interesting

 

[Liar]

You might argue that political opinion isn't covered by anti-"discrimination" laws but it could also be argued that opposition to the cake could be based in part on racial or ethnic discrimination.

If the neo-Nazi couple are white and the baker objects to whites with views he/she doesn't like, then race could be reasonably considered a factor in the refusal.

No. You're wrong. It couldn't.

 

[phrodeau]

Discrimination against blacks in retail was first curtailed in 1968. Discrimination against gays in retail was first curtailed in 2014, 46 years later. It's just a whirlwind spiral down, isn't it?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Should a baker be allowed to discriminate by refusing to bake a cake with a Swastika for a skinhead or neo-Nazi couple?

Heh, good point, I welcome that fight in court. I don't think the neo nazi's are gonna win. Not even close.

 

[smartjuanxxx]

Child named after Adolf Hitler is refused cake request


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/child_named_after_adolf_hitler.html

 

[smartjuanxxx]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-children-Adolf-Hitler-Aryan-Nation-back.html

children taken away

 

[Aella_]

Nice to see a variation on the theme, and to see that Skinheads are oppressed too..
Previous threads were about bakers who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Or about muslim employees who refused to deliver alcohol.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It would depend on the baker's rules I suppose. If they say they will decorate it how you like then they very well should win in court.

Personally I'd photograph the people and the cake and post it on social media.

 

[Sean]

Pretty sure Nazis aren't a protected class.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Pretty sure Nazis aren't a protected class.

This shouldn't be a matter of protected class so much a matter of "I said I would make ANY cake."

Every bakery I've ever been to however has templates for what you can get. I'm not gonna get a cake with the Green Ranger on it because it's not 1994 and the guy who knew how to draw that has moved on.

 

[Sean]

Nope. You could refuse to serve communists, or fascists, or Rosicrucians and, under the law, you'd be perfectly within your rights so to do.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

There is a difference between being denied participation in society based on what you are (Black, gay, Irish, ...) vs what you choose (RWCJ, Skinhead, Nazi, low information pantload ...)

 

[Sean Renaud]

Currently there is no official answer on if being gay is a choice or not. (It isn't but last I checked it's not officially stated anywhere.) And besides once you start letting people deny service for those things they are gonna start making up shit. You gotta stop em hard and early.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Why can't people just go to their favourite Nazi baker to get these made? There are German bakeries all over my town.

 

[Lord Pmann]

There is a difference between being denied participation in society based on what you are (Black, gay, Irish, ...) vs what you choose (RWCJ, Skinhead, Nazi, low information pantload ...)

Except protected classes also include religion...

 

[phrodeau]

Take a square sheet cake, cut out four rectangular sections, and you have a swastika-shaped cake.

Or are Nazis all geometry-challenged?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I assume they want it pretty. And if I tried to draw cookie monster I'd fuck it up.

 

[nerfhearder]

Should be allowed to refuse service to anyone you want but have to put up signs that say exactly who you won't serve.
The problem will work itself out in no time.