Should the extinct Tasmanian Tiger be cloned?

Should the extinct Tasmanian Tiger be cloned?

  • Yes, we should bring back the extinct tiger if we can

    Votes: 13 46.4%
  • No, we should not clone the tiger

    Votes: 13 46.4%
  • other

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • Total voters
    28

Cheyenne

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Extinct Tasmanian Tiger One Step Closer to Cloning
Australian Scientists Hope to Make a Clone Within 10 Years

By Michael Perry
Reuters

SYDNEY (May 28) - Australian scientists announced on Tuesday a breakthrough in efforts to clone the extinct Tasmanian Tiger, saying they had replicated some of the animal's genes using DNA extracted from preserved male and female pups.

The scientists from the Australian Museum in Sydney said they hoped to clone a Tasmanian Tiger in 10 years if they were successful in constructing large quantities of all the genes of the Tasmanian Tiger and sequencing sections of the
genome to create a genetic library of Tasmanian Tiger DNA.

"We are now further ahead than any other project that has attempted anything remotely similar using extinct DNA," Mike Archer, director of the Australian Museum, told a news conference.

"What was once nothing more than an impossible dream has just taken another giant step closer to becoming a biological reality," he said, adding that the ultimate aim was to clone a viable reproducing population of Tasmanian Tigers.

The Tasmanian Tiger (thylacine) was a dog-like carnivorous marsupial with stripes on its back that lived on the southern Australian island state of Tasmania.

The creature originally roamed Australia and Papua New Guinea, but sometime between 2,000 and 200 years ago disappeared from the Australian mainland, only to be found in Tasmania.

It took man only some 70 years to make the Tasmanian Tiger extinct, as farmers in the 1800s began shooting, poisoning, gassing and trapping the animal, blaming it for attacking sheep.

The last known Tasmanian Tiger died in 1936 and it was officially declared extinct in 1986.

COMPLEX OF GUILT

The project to bring the Tasmanian Tiger back from extinction began in 1999 when Australian Museum scientists extracted DNA from an ethanol-preserved female pup in its collection.

In 2001, further DNA was extracted from two other preserved pups -- the tissue source for this DNA was bone, tooth, bone marrow and dried muscle.

Archer said the alcohol-preserved female pup's DNA had given scientists the Tasmanian Tiger's X chromosome and the other samples the male Y chromosome.

In May 2002 the museum's scientists, using the extracted DNA, replicated some of the Tasmanian Tiger's genes using a process called PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction).

"The supposedly dead DNA in fact reacts in the way live DNA does. Clearly the DNA we collected was not extinct -- it works," Archer said. "It makes molecule cloning possible."

Archer said if the museum was successful it would seek to clone a viable population of Tasmanian Tigers, using the Tasmanian Devil, another carnivorous marsupial, as a host.

"We want a viable population. We don't want a strange animal pacing back and forth in a laboratory. What we want to do is put that animal back in the wild and for that we need a viable, reproducing population," he said.

But Archer said the technology for the final stage of cloning, putting the Tasmanian Tiger's genetic material into a Tasmanian Devil host cell which has been stripped of the devil's genetic material was still to be developed.

"We don't know the length of this journey. Its up to the speed with which technology keeps pace with the vision. But I am optimistic," he said.

"The Tasmanian Tiger is an iconic Australian animal, its woven in a complex web of guilt because Australians made it extinct. We need to lift this burden of guilt."

Reuters 00:40 05-28-02

Copyright 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
 
To shorten that.

Tassie Tiger's are like dingo's or greyhounds if you like with stripes.

They became extinct after enjoying sheep a little too much for Australias liking.

Should we bring back an extinct species?

(Bring on the DODO!)
 
This is a hard one for me to answer....you see I'm an animal lover, but am not too keen on the whole idea of cloning. All of the previous animals that have been cloned are showing signs of aging a lot faster then non cloned animals of their own species. That worries me, along with the whole 'playing god' thing.

And think about it - what on earth are we going to do with a Tasmanian Tiger for christ sakes? Let it go so some farmer can shoot it when it attacks his stock? They won't let them go, no way, no how! No they want to put it in a zoo - make money out of it don't they. Why bother bringing a species back to life if the animals will not have quality of life? Its too Jurrasic park like for me.
 
Wow.
What a bright idea.
Bring back an extinct animal that was a savage pest,so it can become pest again.
 
So, this part of the article isn't true? No one feels any guilt?

"The Tasmanian Tiger is an iconic Australian animal, its woven in a complex web of guilt because Australians made it extinct. We need to lift this burden of guilt."
 
Cheyenne said:
So, this part of the article isn't true? No one feels any guilt?

"The Tasmanian Tiger is an iconic Australian animal, its woven in a complex web of guilt because Australians made it extinct. We need to lift this burden of guilt."

I think it depends who your ancestors were.

If they were sheep farmers...
 
Cheyenne said:
So, this part of the article isn't true? No one feels any guilt?

"The Tasmanian Tiger is an iconic Australian animal, its woven in a complex web of guilt because Australians made it extinct. We need to lift this burden of guilt."

Hey of course we feel guilt...we have a shocking history, in just over 200 years of occupation here in Australia by white man we have somehow managed to wipe out over 400 species of animals and plants.

But I believe that we should concentrate on saving the remaining species instead of resurrecting the dead.
 
Guilt?

Our politicians cant appologise for taking babies from their families.



Ya think a dead animal would worry us?

Bah.
;)
 
I really can't see what positive effect this animal had in it's environment... but... Perhaps in 20...50 years, there may be adverse effects to the loss of it. Maybe they should bring it back.

(Btw, from what I've heard... seeing them kick up into a big frenzy is quite a sight.)
 
I absolutely think we should give it a try, but not for the rather silly reason of "guilt", or to repopulate the landscape with a rather pesky carnivore.

It's worth it to do this to see if it can be done. If we can clone one anims, it puts us in great position to be able to clone others with the eye toward the future. At some point we may just find that we extinguished accidentally something damned important, and if we can resupply the animal, that's a good thing.

This also has incredible implications for worldwide hunger problems. If we can clone food animals, at least to the point where we can eat them, and do so relatively quickly and reliably, then we can go a long way to solving the problems of hunger in a lot of small countries. Imagine being able to produce, say, 200 head of cattle all at once, with only the genetic material of one animal. That's a heady prospect.

I don't see this effort as an end in itself, but as a means to at least one end.
 
Yes becouse it would just be too cool.

I want my clone preprogramed with heat vsion and the ability to with stand long assed jumps from high buildings becuse it sounds like it would be fun to drop from a really,really high disance and make a loud "stomping" noise and being able to walk away from it.
 
That would be cool...

gothedistance said:


A rose in a wheat field is a weed

I hope they find a way to clone some of them big dinosaurs too, like the T-Rex's. Just make sure they stay on the island, you know.
 
AusTess said:
Guilt?

Our politicians cant appologise for taking babies from their families.



Ya think a dead animal would worry us?

Bah.
;)

thats because the word "sorry" is not in little Johny's vocabulary
 
I hope they will clone Reagan and p_p_man after they die...........

:cool:
 
Cloning a couple of individual specimens isn't likely to bring back the species. There just won't be enough genetic diversity to keep it going.

I've got nothing against cloning in general though.
 
Cloning

Rather than tart cloning various different species it would seem more sensible to wait for the results of the work being done on the animals that have already been cloned.

It would seem rather stupid to go ahead cloning other species when we do not know the side effects or whether there are major problems with the animals brains.

Wait till Dolly the Sheep becomes Dolly's flock of well adjusted sheep and then address the issue again.
 
Cheyenne said:
So, this part of the article isn't true? No one feels any guilt?

"The Tasmanian Tiger is an iconic Australian animal, its woven in a complex web of guilt because Australians made it extinct. We need to lift this burden of guilt."

I feel no guilt for this.

I do feel guilt over the way our indigenous people were treated until recent times.

I feel guilt for all of the children shipped here from the UK during the last war and who were treated so cruely by authorities.

I feel guilt for children removed from their families by 'do-gooders' and placed in permanent foster care.

These are important things.

The Tassie Devil isn't. It killed sheep, an introduced animal, yes. But an important part of our economy.

No, I feel no guilt.
 
Ladybird said:


No, I feel no guilt.

Guilt is totally unnecessary in this issue. If we tried to clone every animal that people felt sorry had disappeared, the planet would soon be overrun.

How about a wooly mammoth or three running through Melbourne!:D
 
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