Should Barack Obama use the USAPATRIOT Act on angry Conservatives if he wins?

[Le Jacquelope]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

Fortunately, the people you cite are prosecuted when caught. The guy who blew up the building in Ok. City was put to death, and rightly so. Those who murder are also prosecuted, regardless of their motives. The KKK members you mention are also terrorists, and should be prosecuted, and they are, when identified.

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn should also be prosecuted. Not under the PATRIOT Act, but under the laws that were in effect at the time they committed their crimes.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

What if Obama loses?

Should all of the left wingers threatening riots if he loses be prosecuted?

 

[DeeZire]

What if Obama loses?

Should all of the left wingers threatening riots if he loses be prosecuted?

Left wingers are into demonstrations, peace marches, stuff like that. Anarchists are into starting riots, many times infiltrating left wing groups to do so. Of course it's easier to just lump the two groups together, just as it's easy to lump conservatives together with wackos like McViegh. The difference is, conservative ideology and religious dogma support wacko violence, but left wing ideology doesn't.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

"Should Barack Obama use the USAPATRIOT Act on angry Conservatives if he wins?"

The stategists at the RNC say, "If he wins, yes, by all means. With full rigor and the widest possible scope."

 

[epiphany65]

Left wingers are into demonstrations, peace marches, stuff like that. Anarchists are into starting riots, many times infiltrating left wing groups to do so. Of course it's easier to just lump the two groups together, just as it's easy to lump conservatives together with wackos like McViegh. The difference is, conservative ideology and religious dogma support wacko violence, but left wing ideology doesn't.

I think you're making broad generalizations that just aren't true.

 

[SlickTony]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

I'm glad you're partially kidding. If we did that it'd make us no better than them.

 

[DeeZire]

I think you're making broad generalizations that just aren't true.

Broad generalizations are never true when applied to individuals, but I would be interested in seeing where left wing ideology promotes violence against others.

 

[Guest]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

Oh, sure.

Capitol punishment.

Put them in Gitmo first.

Water boarding.

Rum?

 

[Pure]

Dee zire

Broad generalizations are never true when applied to individuals, but I would be interested in seeing where left wing ideology promotes violence against others.

Well, let's see now,...

Marx,
Engels,
Lenin,
Mao,
Ho,
Castro
Ayers and Dohrn


If you want more specific suggestions, let me know.
By the way, the "violence" advocated is a) partly defensive and reactive, and b) in the cause of social justice. IOW, it's not different in kind from the violence advocated by such 'cold warriors' as Ike, Dulles, JFK, Reagan, Bush I and II, Cheney. It differs from the 'first strike' and attacking violence advocated by, for example Adolph Hitler, though he'd say he was defending the German Race.

 

[Jagged]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

Yes I'm sure you're partially kidding...just like all the people who have threatened to kill the president and apologies after which made if okay...which I find odd considering the is pretty clear on that matter. Still though politicians and many others have said they want to kill President Bush and they're given a pass. Guess you can threaten a sitting President if his approval level is low enough.


And the "ring wingers" you mentioned above are twisted fanatics...they aren't conservatives let alone Republicans. Funny how people so easily compare conservatives with Klansman and Nazis. Seems to me most of those people have no idea about what they're talking about. I have seen many of our civil liberties taken away by well meaning liberals.

Oh let's take the guns away from the honest citizens...let's take away more and more decisions from them...they don't know what is best for them....let's punish people who make money and give it to those who don't have any....

In the United States if you violate the rights of someone on the right...it is funny or at worst considered sound justice. Call a liberal's beliefs into question...your a hate monger...a racist...and don't deserve to be on the planet.


But please keep joking...I know I won't be going quietly when they decide I need reeducation or I keep following the original Constitution. I'm not happy with either candidate, but Senator Obama is the last favorable of the choices.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

Remember, it was a right winger who blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma City, and it is right wingers who kill abortion doctors. Right wing terrorists have taken baseball bats to gay men's heads. Right wing Klansmen have burned crosses on black people's yards. None of this is in dispute.

America has a rabid right winger problem. It's time we used their anti-terrorist tools to deal with right wing terrorists... and I mean use these tools pre-emptively.

For a safe, secure America.

note: I'm partially kidding here.

Maybe they can arrest Jesse Jackson. He was actually videotaped expressing a wish to cut off Obama's nuts.

 

[Belegon]

The Patriot Act needs to be repealed.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Protect our civil rights, don't turn the gun on those that invented it.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Left wingers are into demonstrations, peace marches, stuff like that. Anarchists are into starting riots, many times infiltrating left wing groups to do so. Of course it's easier to just lump the two groups together, just as it's easy to lump conservatives together with wackos like McViegh. The difference is, conservative ideology and religious dogma support wacko violence, but left wing ideology doesn't.

Left wing ideology is no more inherently peaceful than the right wing. Stalin, anyone?

"Should Barack Obama use the USAPATRIOT Act on angry Conservatives if he wins?"

The stategists at the RNC say, "If he wins, yes, by all means. With full rigor and the widest possible scope."

Oh I'm sure you think it would mean a huge Republican electoral victory in 201x. But you also understand that it would also mean the repeal of the USAPATRIOT Act by the same party that made it happen in the first place. You take us citizens for stupid - but the fact is, the irony of Republicans whining about being victims of a law they created, would not be lost on America. Not at all.

The Patriot Act needs to be repealed.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Protect our civil rights, don't turn the gun on those that invented it.

It would be entertaining to see rabid Republicans victimized by their own laws, and then crying like little babies about it.

I'd go pretty far to make a Republican cry. I like making bullies cry. It tends to unlearn them of their ways.

 

[Belegon]

It would be entertaining to see rabid Republicans victimized by their own laws, and then crying like little babies about it.

I'd go pretty far to make a Republican cry. I like making bullies cry. It tends to unlearn them of their ways.

I stand by my original statement. Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are many ways to make them cry while also accomplishing positive change.

 

[Wyldfire]

Jackalope's right. Obama should use the patriot act against those that are republican and against him.

Then I'll start a betting pool for which part of his own party assassinates him for makes such asses out of the whole party.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Jackalope's right. Obama should use the patriot act against those that are republican and against him.

That isn't what I said.

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

I was speaking of people who are defined as TERRORISTS under the right wing definition. I said that quite clearly. You're not very good at reading comprehension, it seems.


BTW folks, Wyldfire is a racist kook who once said if whites turned on black people in America, black people would run away like little cowards. Of course you won't see kook rants from her like that here - she only pulls this shit on the GB where she knows she can get away with it.

 

[Wyldfire]

That isn't what I said.

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

I was speaking of people who are defined as TERRORISTS under the right wing definition. I said that quite clearly. You're not very good at reading comprehension, it seems.


BTW folks, Wyldfire is a racist kook who once said if whites turned on black people in America, black people would run away like little cowards. Of course you won't see kook rants from her like that here - she only pulls this shit on the GB where she knows she can get away with it.

No, over there I allowed myself to rise to your black supremicist smack talk. Get the facts straight racist boy.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

No, over there I allowed myself to rise to your black supremicist smack talk. Get the facts straight racist boy.

Now you're a lying sack of shit on top of being a racist kook with piss poor reading skills.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That isn't what I said.

Republicans who say "off with his head" and "kill him" are prime targets of the USAPATRIOT Act.

That's terrorism by their definition, folks.

I was speaking of people who are defined as TERRORISTS under the right wing definition. I said that quite clearly. You're not very good at reading comprehension, it seems.

I hope you know that those shouts were directed at Bill Ayers, not at Obama.

 

[DeeZire]

Broad generalizations are never true when applied to individuals, but I would be interested in seeing where left wing ideology promotes violence against others.

Well, let's see now,...

Marx,
Engels,
Lenin,
Mao,
Ho,
Castro
Ayers and Dohrn


If you want more specific suggestions, let me know.
By the way, the "violence" advocated is a) partly defensive and reactive, and b) in the cause of social justice. IOW, it's not different in kind from the violence advocated by such 'cold warriors' as Ike, Dulles, JFK, Reagan, Bush I and II, Cheney. It differs from the 'first strike' and attacking violence advocated by, for example Adolph Hitler, though he'd say he was defending the German Race.

I was referencing current ideology in the USA, not Castro. It should be noted that Ayers made it a point to not harm people in his acts of protest, so you can take him off your list. My point was to compare the live-and-let-live philosophy of the left with the 'first strike' violence of GWB in Iraq and the GWB legacy of torture, and the penchant for folks on the right to resort to violence when they don't get their way. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, but if you would rather pretend you don't and try to argue the point, that's your choice.

 

[Liar]

I hope you know that those shouts were directed at Bill Ayers, not at Obama.

You're missing the point.

First of all, you're pretty alone in believing that. I've seen the speeches and clips, and I clearly have to disagree.

But let's assume you're right.

It's still terrorism, under that definition.

Bill Ayers is a college professor and a politically active Chicago citizen.

Yes, he has done things that you and I and many others may think he should be in prison for. But he's not. He's not a wanted criminal. If he was ever found guilty in a court of law of anything (was he?) he must have done his time and got out, or charges must have been dropped, for whatever reason, since he now lives in an apartment in Chi where he apparently hosted education board meetings at one point.

My point is, he is a US citizen, a US politician even, and thus entitled to the full protection of the law. So even if it was Ayers that the peeps shouted about, it still makes them, according to this law, "terrorists".


So allow me to point out the point for you: The Patriot Act is fucking ridiculous.

 

[epiphany65]

You're missing the point.

Bill Ayers is a college professor and a politically active Chicago citizen.

Yes, he has done things that you and I and many others may think he should be in prison for. But he's not. He's not a wanted criminal. If he was ever found guilty in a court of law of anything (was he?) he must have done his time and got out, or charges must have been dropped, for whatever reason, since he now lives in an apartment in Chi where he apparently hosted education board meetings at one point.

My point is, he is a US citizen, a US politician even, and thus entitled to the full protection of the law. So even if it was Ayers that the peeps shouted about, it still makes them, according to this law, "terrorists".


So allow me to point out the point for you: The Patriot Act is fucking ridiculous.

All charges against him were dropped by 1977.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

All charges against him were dropped by 1977.

Yup. I've always had a nagging question about Ayers... why is he considered such a millstone?

Republicans in that area also worked with him.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yup. I've always had a nagging question about Ayers... why is he considered such a millstone?

Republicans in that area also worked with him.

Ayers and Dohrn were the founders of The Weathermen, later renamed The Weather Underground. They were violent criminals who blew up buildings, or committed arson. I don't know that the charges were ever dropped, or just not pressed.

I am aware that his intentions were the destruction of property, not injury to people, but I don't know how successful he was in that. Some of the buildings were occupied, by maintenance staff or others.

Republicans and others probably work with him now, but I find it hard to believe members of a major political party worked with him while on his Weather activities.