Shh, It's an Open Secret: Warlords and Pedophilia

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By CRAIG S. SMITH

ANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Back in the 19th century, ethnic Pashtuns fighting in Britain's colonial army sang odes talking of their longing for young boys.

Homosexuality, cloaked in the tradition of strong masculine bonds that are a hallmark of Islamic culture and are even more pronounced in southern Afghanistan's strict, sexually segregated society, has long been a clandestine feature of life here. But pedophilia has been its curse.

Though the puritanical Taliban tried hard to erase pedophilia from male-dominated Pashtun culture, now that the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice is gone, some people here are indulging in it once again.

"During the Taliban, being with a friend was difficult, but now it is easy again," said Ahmed Fareed, a 19- year-old man with a white shawl covering his face except for a dark shock of hair and piercing kohl-lined eyes. Mr. Fareed should know. A shopkeeper took him as a lover when he was just 12, he said.

An interest in relationships with young boys among warlords and their militia commanders played a part in the Taliban's rise in Afghanistan. In 1994, the Taliban, then a small army of idealistic students of the Koran, were called to rescue a boy over whom two commanders had fought. They freed the boy and the people responded with gratitude and support.

"At that time boys couldn't come to the market because the commanders would come and take away any that they liked," said Amin Ullah, a money changer, gesturing to his two teenage sons hunched over wads of afghani bank notes at Kandahar's currency bazaar.

Most men here spend the vast majority of their time in the company of other men and rarely glimpse more than the feet of any woman other than their mother, sister or wife. The atmosphere leaves little room for romantic love, let alone recreational sex between men and women. But alternative opportunities are not hard to find.

Muhammad Daud, 29, says he first spotted Mr. Fareed seven years ago at an auto repair shop owned by Mr. Fareed's father and pursued the boy for months.

"If you want a haliq" — a boy for sex — "you have to follow the boy for a long time before he will agree," said Mr. Daud, smiling at Mr. Fareed in a hostel in Kandahar where the two consented to give an interview.

"At first he was afraid, so I bought him some chocolate and gave him a lot of money," said Mr. Daud, laughing. "I went step by step and after about six or seven months, he agreed."

"At that time, I had no beard," Mr. Fareed said, smiling.

The Taliban took care of that problem by resorting to an ancient punishment prescribed by the Shariah, a compendium of Islamic laws: they pushed a wall on top of anyone found to be homosexual.

Odd as the punishment sounds, it resonates with many Afghans who live in a world of mud-and-wattle walls, many of which have long since lost their usefulness. There are plenty of 12-foot-high, 2-foot-thick earthen walls around waiting to be toppled.

On the outskirts of Kandahar, Mr. Fareed pointed to a mound of rubble and described how he had watched the Taliban lay a man there in a shallow pit in front of a high wall and then ram the wall with a tank from the other side, knocking it over on top of him.

"When the wall fell, people said he was dead, but later we heard that he wasn't dead," said Mr. Fareed.

The man was Mullah Peer Muhammad, a former student of the Koran who had become a Taliban fighter and was later put in charge of boys then incarcerated at Kandahar's central prison. He was convicted of sexually abusing the inmates.

After the wall fell on him, his family dug him out and took him to the hospital. He spent six days there and another six months in jail, but according to the punishment, survivors are allowed to go free. He now lives in Pakistan, his former neighbors say.

A man who said he owns the wall that fell on Mr. Muhammad said he had seen the Taliban knock successive sections of the wall on another man seven times, digging him out each time and moving him along the remaining wall before he died. The man had been convicted of raping and killing a boy.

"We had to be very careful then," said Mr. Fareed, shrinking instinctively from the crowd that had gathered around the site during a reporter's visit. He said he and his lover could meet only at night in each others' homes, but that they tried to refrain from physical contact for fear that the Taliban's extensive intelligence network would discover them.

Now the Taliban are gone and the commanders have returned, some with their predilections. The problem is so widespread that the government has issued a directive barring "beardless boys" — a euphemism for under-age sex partners — from police stations, military bases and commanders' compounds.

While men are courting boys once again, few do so openly.

"Still, we feel ashamed in front of our older brothers or parents," said Mr. Fareed.

But he insisted that he does not regret being lured into a relationship by his older friend. When asked if he would do the same to a young boy, Mr. Fareed said, yes.

"I'm looking for one now," he said with a smile.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/21/i...D.html?ex=1015400248&ei=1&en=7e6cde1bc309d970
 
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For AJ- his favorite topic of pedophilia. Now THIS is real, not a story at Lit. It is something you can really complain about!

I posted a story like this a few months ago and I don't remember who wanted the reference to it after the fact. This one is very similar- same general topic.
 
Cheyenne,

This thread would be a good place to add your previous post on the same subject. (the one I asked you to find for me earlier)

I think its remarkable, and strangely ironic, how this culture condemns a young woman when raped, yet sodomizes little boys.

They truly hate women. By substituting little boys for women, to satisfy their sexual needs, it shows how dimented their beliefs are.
 
I found it ...

The Sexual Rage Behind Islamic Terror

http://FrontPageMagazine.com
October 4, 2001


ALL SERIAL KILLERS, almost without exception, are severely sexually abused as children. The kind of people who hijack a plane with innocent people and drive it into a building with thousands of other innocent people are related to this phenomenon.

When sociopaths rape and kill, they do not see their victims as human beings but only as objects. This is because the sociopaths were themselves, at one time, used as objects - as their bodily integrity was repeatedly violated.

The rage that results from sexual abuse is one thing, but when combined with living in a dysfunctional culture of sexual repression and misogyny, where love is reduced to violent domination, it is quite another.

Throughout the Islamic Middle East, men and women are taught to be vehemently opposed to pleasure, especially of the sexual variety. Men are raised not only forbidden to touch women, but to even look at them. Sex before marriage is not just a sin -- but a criminal offence. It is punishable by a severe beating at best, and an execution at worst.

The sexual privileges that are allowed in Islamic cultures are permitted to men. Women's sexuality and social independence represent major threats to male supremacy and are tightly controlled. Thus, as the Moroccan feminist Fitna Sabbah reveals in her book Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, there is a disturbing conflict in the Middle East between sexual libido and repression. A deep-seated fear of, and hostility to, individuality prevails, and its main expression exists in misogyny.

Socially segregated from women, Arab men succumb to homosexual behavior. But interestingly enough, there is no word for "homosexual" in their culture in the modern Western sense. That is because having sex with boys, or with effeminate men, is seen as a social norm. Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women. The male who does the penetrating, meanwhile, is not emasculated any more than if he had sex with a wife. The male who is penetrated is emasculated. The boy, however, is not, since it is rationalized that he is not yet a man.

In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity. It is considered to have nothing to do with homosexuality. An unmarried man who has sex with boys is simply doing what men do. As the scholar Bruce Dunne has demonstrated, sex in Islamic societies is not about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male's achievement of pleasure through violent domination.

There is silence around this issue. It is the silence that legitimizes sexual violence against women, such as honor crimes and female circumcision. It is also the silence that forces victimized Arab boys into invisibility. Even though the society does not see their sexual exploitation as being humiliating, the psychological and emotional scars that result from their subordination, powerlessness and humiliation is a given. Traumatized by the violation of their dignity and manliness, they spend the rest of their lives trying to get it back.

The problem is that trying to recover from sexual abuse, and to recapture one's own shattered masculinity, is quite an ordeal in a culture where women are hated and love is interpreted as hegemonic control.

With women out of touch - and out of sight -- until marriage, males experience pre-marital sex only in the confines of being with other males. Their sexual outlet mostly includes victimizing younger males - just the way they were victimized.

In all of these circumstances, the idea of love is removed from men's understanding of sexuality. Like the essence of Arab masculinity, it is reduced to hurting others by violence. A gigantic rupture develops between men and women, where no harmony, affection or equality is allowed to exist. In relationships between men, meanwhile, affection, solidarity and empathy are left out of the picture. They threaten the hyper-masculine order.

It is excruciating to imagine the sexual confusion, humiliation, and repression that evolve in the mindsets of males in this culture. But it is no surprise that many of these males find their only avenue for gratification in the act of humiliating the foreign "enemy," whose masculinity must be violated at all costs - as theirs once was.

Violating the masculinity of the enemy necessitates the dishing out of severe violence against him. In the recent terrorist strikes, therefore, violence against Americans served as a much-needed release of the terrorists bottled-up sexual rage. Moreover, it served as a desperate and pathological testament of the re masculinization of their emasculated selves.
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Jamie Glazov holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Soviet Studies. He is the author of 15 Tips on How to be a Good Leftist.. His father, Yuri Glazov, was a Soviet dissident during the Brezhnev era, who signed the Letter of Twelve, denouncing Soviet human rights abuses. His mother, Marina Glazov, also participated in the dissident movement in the Soviet Union, actively typing and circulating Samizdat - the underground political literature. To avoid imprisonment, Yuri Glazov took his family out of the USSR in 1972 and settled in Canada in 1975, when Jamie was 9. Today Jamie battles socialism from his high-tech warroom in Toronto. He writes the Dr. Progressive advice column for angst-ridden leftists at EnterStageRight.com.
 
CIA & Young Boys

The CIA supplied young boys to King Saud, ruler of Saudi Arabia when the Kingdom was established to guarantee the Saudi support in the region.

Halo :rose:
 
not from the BBC, Cherry, but from various papers and accounts. it is a very well known fact that King Saud loves his little boys. up until recently there was still a camp for eunuchs in Saudi Arabia.

Halo :rose:
 
LittleDevilWithAHalo said:
not from the BBC, Cherry, but from various papers and accounts. it is a very well known fact that King Saud loves his little boys. up until recently there was still a camp for eunuchs in Saudi Arabia.

Halo :rose:

That may be a very well known fact, as the above articles do seem to document the trend in Middle Eastern cultures.

And I do realize that the CIA has in the past conducted themselves in ways that most Americans would not be proud of. However, I question the news source when I see a claim like yours.

There have been so many untruths published about America by the BBC, I assumed incorrectly that was where you read it.
 
i have read it in various books and it has been mentioned in multiple sources of which only one I got with me here at the moment. It is called "A Brutal Friendship - The West and the Arab Elite" by Said K. Aburish. I think it was in the chapter "Oils, Arms and Blood" that he mentioned it. I will look it up for you. :)
I dont tend to rely on one news source too much and go with what Dante said in his Divina Comedia: I love to doubt as much as know. :)

Halo :rose:
 
LittleDevilWithAHalo said:
i have read it in various books and it has been mentioned in multiple sources of which only one I got with me here at the moment. It is called "A Brutal Friendship - The West and the Arab Elite" by Said K. Aburish. I think it was in the chapter "Oils, Arms and Blood" that he mentioned it. I will look it up for you. :)


Thanks, hon.

I would like to read it, and make up my mind, as well.


I dont tend to rely on one news source too much and go with what Dante said in his Divina Comedia: I love to doubt as much as know. :)

A good practice to follow!
 
Cherry! It was you! See, my memory ISN'T perfect. I couldn't remember who had asked for the first article awhile back. :) And I didn't have time earlier this morning to search to find it again anyway. Thanks for doing the legwork!

I am not a psychologist and I don't play one on TV. But with a culture screwed up enough to accept pedophilia as "normal"- no wonder terrorists are created there.
 
You know, Cheyenne ...

I think it's even worse than "accepting pedophilia" ... it's more like, there is such a repulsion for women in that culture they would prefer to desecrate children than show any sexual attraction for a woman.

Just think of some of the horrible and degrading oppression toward women that goes on ... and not just with the extremist clerics either.

Female circumcission, for one. That has to be the most hateful and sick-minded rule of all. Yet even muslim women agree and allow their young daughters to suffer through it.

I have a friend who married in a mosque recently (in Florida even)... and she had to stand behind a curtain in the area where women are segregated from men for worship DURING her wedding.

Not to mention the burka (need I say more?)

Of course, there are different levels of oppression, but in the lesser extreme it still makes me question why the women of islam do not revolt against such inequality of basic rights.
 
that made for some very interesting reading...

And i just dont get these middle eastern cultures. The way they repress nearly every desire...

and nearly all of those countries have been fighting continuously since bible time or before that too i suspect...
Guess they never heard of "make love not war"...

Its a strange section of the world...
 
Re: You know, Cheyenne ...

Cherry said:

Of course, there are different levels of oppression, but in the lesser extreme it still makes me question why the women of islam do not revolt against such inequality of basic rights.

Because they don't know any better? What is oppressive to us isn't necessarily oppressive to them. That culture difference again.
 
As Cheyenne says, they don't know any better.

Any chance they have of finding out is ruled unsuitable for women.

Knowledge is a dangerous thing in the eyes of their men.

There is a strange contradiction, however, in that the ultra religious Taliban punished the abuse of boys, whereas the more liberal,and in some cases democratic, countries turn a blind eye.

We men have a lot to answer for.
 
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