Sharon's making the biggest push ever to...

[p_p_man]

get rid of the Palestinians.

He ordered his army to destroy Arafat's headquarters, which they did with their usual relish, leaving one building where Arafat is holding on.

Four Palestinian policemen were killed in the attack.

The result? Thousands of ordinary Palestinians have taken to the street and are even now fighting the tanks with their rocks.

So the 'Beast of Beirut' still reckons he wants peace. He can lie as much as he wants he's not going to be believed.

Now what will George do? After the last attempt at intervention when Sharon sent him packing with his tail between his legs, I can't see him doing very much. He'll probably make a speech with lots of phrases like "watch my lips", "immediate withdrawal" and "when I say immediate I mean immediate" included. The world will probably shrug its collective shoulder at this weak man's attemp at being stern with the Israelis and Sharon will gain more ground. Sharon will only be stopped by an Arab coalition.

This of course is what he wants. Because he can rely on America's support to win...

No more Palestinians, and the jew will wander throughout the land...

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

p_p_, you have to be one hell of a dumbass to go after a tank with a rock. You deserve to get your ass shot for stupidity alone.

EVERYONE KNOWS YOU USE A MOLOTOVE WHEN YOU ARE SERIOUS...

Everything else is just posturing for British TV...

 

[Eumenides]

I just want to tell you that every time i see you post a thread with Sharon in the title, I think, who is Sharon?? Why haven't I seen her about lit? It's really frustrating when I realize who you're talking about.

 

[p_p_man]

p_p_, you have to be one hell of a dumbass to go after a tank with a rock. You deserve to get your ass shot for stupidity alone.

EVERYONE KNOWS YOU USE A MOLOTOVE WHEN YOU ARE SERIOUS...

Everything else is just posturing for British TV...

Don't think I've seen many stories (if any) showing the use of Molotovs. But it's interesting you mention 'posturing for British TV' as the film clips we see in Britain are fairly common throughout the world.

I take it by your remark that your media is censored to cut to out out the rocks vs tanks scenes, so you don't actually see them.

Well I suppose that's only to be expected with your strong jewish Lobby calling the shots.

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

p_p_, I don't WATCH our media...

I know where their sympathies lie.

Lie being the key word here!

 

[Lost Cause]

Gee, why would Israel be proactive?...

If you kick a dog long enough, he's going to die...or bite you! I enjoy the anti-jew dialogue that would have been cheered in Berlin.......1935!


IN 1948, when the armies of five surrounding Arab dictatorships invaded tiny, newborn Israel--in what the secretary general of the Arab League announced was a "war of extermination" against "the Jews"--the United Nations sat on its ass. And did not send a fact-finding mission.

But, oh, how the U.N. has been making up for that oversight ever since. For more than 50 years now, the Jews have been its favorite subject.

Among the nearly 200 nations represented at the U.N., only Israel has ever been assigned special--reduced--membership privileges, its ambassadors formally barred, for 53 straight years ending only recently, from election to the Security Council. Meanwhile, and right up to the present day, that same Security Council has devoted fully a third of its energy and criticism to the policies of a single country: Israel. The U.N. Commission on Human Rights, which regularly--and unreprovingly--accepts delegations from any number of homicidal tyrannies across the globe, has issued fully a quarter of its official condemnations to a single (democratic) country: Israel.

There has been a genocide in Rwanda, an ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, periodic and horrifying communal "strife" in Indonesia's East Timor, the "disappearance" of a few hundred thousand refugees in the Congo, a decades-long and culturally devastating occupation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China . . . but none of those U.N. member states has ever been subjected to the rebuke of a General Assembly "emergency special session." Israel has, though, repeatedly, simply for refusing to surrender in the face of terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds and injured thousands of its citizens--murders that no U.N. resolution has ever so much as mentioned.

No fewer than four separate administrative units within the U.N.--two of them directly supervised by Kofi Annan's governing secretariat--do nothing but spend millions of dollars annually on the production and worldwide distribution of propaganda questioning Israel's right to exist. The "Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and other Arabs of the Occupied Territories," for example, "investigates" Israel's continued "practice" of "occupying" not just the territory taken in the 1967 war, but also the land within its internationally recognized, pre-1967 borders.

And then there is the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, an operation originally established in December 1949 to assist those Palestinian refugees created by the Arab world's botched attempt at a second Final Solution. UNRWA, as it happens, is centrally relevant to its parent organization's latest outburst of naked Israelophobia. Because UNRWA wholly funds and largely administers the West Bank refugee camp in Jenin where the Israeli army is purported--by various Palestinian militants and local U.N. officials--to have just perpetrated a "massacre" of "unarmed civilians." It is to the site of this alleged "atrocity" that Kofi Annan now intends to dispatch a commission of inquiry chaired by Yasser Arafat's favorite European diplomat, former president Martti Ahtisaari of Finland, and seconded by Cornelio Sommaruga, retired chief of the International Red Cross, a man who once likened the Star of David to a swastika.

All together now.....Sieg!

 

[SINthysist]

HIEL

 

[SINthysist]

Heil? I'm one ignant little American Fascist...

 

[Lost Cause]

Itzokay..

We couldn't come close to the jack booted thugs of Europe and the Arab Middle East. (By the way, guess who fought for the SS? Muslims!)

 

[SINthysist]

"Will I get to kill Jews?"
"You fight for me and you'll get to kill Jews..."
"EXCELLENT! My name is Saud, and I'm the most wanted man in my desert. Of course, I'm not in my desert..."

 

[Lost Cause]

An Arab "Braveheart?"

"The problem with Israel, is it's full of Jews!" PP is in good company as this shows.

The Führer’s Mufti: After World War I, the Great Powers of Europe jockeyed for influence in the Middle East’s oil fields and trade routes, with France and Britain holding mandates throughout most of the region. In the 1930s, the fascist regimes that arose in Italy and Germany sought greater stakes in the area, and began courting Arab leaders to revolt against their British and French custodians. Among their many willing accomplices was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq – another of Her Majesty’s mandates – where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel’s troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world. Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti’s protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaugh-tered 90% of Bosnia’s Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hilter regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Army that terrorized Jews in Palestine.

The Arab Embrace of Nazism: Husseini represents the prevalent pro-Nazi posture among the Arab/Muslim world before, during and even after the Holocaust. The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa’ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel.

The most influential party that emulated the Nazis was "Young Egypt," which was founded in October 1933. They had storm troopers, torch processions, and literal translations of Nazi slogans – like "One folk, One party, One leader." Nazi anti-Semitism was replicated, with calls to boycott Jewish businesses and physical attacks on Jews. Britain had a bitter experience with this pro-German mood in Egypt, when the official Egyptian government failed to declare war on the Wehrmacht as German troops were about to conquer Alexandria.

After the war, a member of Young Egypt named Gamal Abdul Nasser was among the officers who led the July 1952 revolution in Egypt. Their first act – following in Hitler’s footsteps – was to outlaw all other parties. Nasser’s Egypt became a safe haven for Nazi war criminals, among them the SS General in charge of the murder of Ukrainian Jewry; he became Nasser’s bodyguard and close comrade. Alois Brunner, another senior Nazi war criminal, found shelter in Damascus, where he served for many years as senior adviser to the Syrian general staff and still resides today.

Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba’ath Party, recalls: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books... We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism."

These leanings never completely ceased. Hitler’s Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler’s "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.

The PLO and notably Arafat himself do not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO’s top figure in east Jerusalem today, Faisal Husseini, is the grandson to the Führer’s Mufti. Arafat also considers the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat."


Do I hear hobnailed boots marching again?

 

[SINthysist]

""The problem with Israel, is it's full of Jews!" " - LOL

You can't breed 'em out because of the maternal bloodline thing, so you gotta kill 'em!

 

[Lost Cause]

Aye!...

"They may take our lives, but they'll never take.....our Hannukah!" "Israel go brache!"

"If Ariel Sharon were here, he slay the Arabs with fire from his eyes, and lightning bolts from his arse!"

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Itzokay..

We couldn't come close to the jack booted thugs of Europe and the Arab Middle East. (By the way, guess who fought for the SS? Muslims!)

There was also a jewish covert attachment...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Gee, why would Israel be proactive?...

If you kick a dog long enough, he's going to die...or bite you!

Precisely...

IN 1948, when the armies of five surrounding Arab dictatorships invaded tiny, newborn Israel--in what the secretary general of the Arab League announced was a "war of extermination" against "the Jews

None of which were from Palestine. Which had already been illegally occupied by Israel before the end of Mandate.

We can all quote from various sources:

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969."

"The very point of the Zionist program is to have as much land as possible and as few Arabs as possible!" --Yitzhak Navon ("moderate" ex-Israeli president"

"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." -- Theodore Herzl (from Rafael Patai, Ed. The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I)"


Among the nearly 200 nations represented at the U.N., only Israel has ever been assigned special--reduced--membership privileges, its ambassadors formally barred, for 53 straight years ending only recently, from election to the Security Council. Meanwhile, and right up to the present day, that same Security Council has devoted fully a third of its energy and criticism to the policies of a single country: Israel. The U.N. Commission on Human Rights, which regularly--and unreprovingly--accepts delegations from any number of homicidal tyrannies across the globe, has issued fully a quarter of its official condemnations to a single (democratic) country: Israel.

Possibly because Israel refuse to comply with UN Resolutions.

Israel has, though, repeatedly, simply for refusing to surrender in the face of terrorist attacks that have killed hundreds and injured thousands of its citizens--murders that no U.N. resolution has ever so much as mentioned.

How would you combat a vastly superior enemy backed by the most powerful nation in the world when you are already occupied and have nothing, and no future?

No fewer than four separate administrative units within the U.N.--two of them directly supervised by Kofi Annan's governing secretariat--do nothing but spend millions of dollars annually on the production and worldwide distribution of propaganda questioning Israel's right to exist. The "Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and other Arabs of the Occupied Territories," for example, "investigates" Israel's continued "practice" of "occupying" not just the territory taken in the 1967 war, but also the land within its internationally recognized, pre-1967 borders.

Why do you find that surprising? Israel's right to exist in its present form as an occupying force should be questioned. As should her extreme methods of ridding Palestine of the Palestinians for the past 50 years. Which are an open invitation for intervention by a UN International Peacekeeping Force. Why hasn't it been? One reason. America.

And then there is the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, an operation originally established in December 1949 to assist those Palestinian refugees created by the Arab world's botched attempt at a second Final Solution. UNRWA, as it happens, is centrally relevant to its parent organization's latest outburst of naked Israelophobia. Because UNRWA wholly funds and largely administers the West Bank refugee camp in Jenin where the Israeli army is purported--by various Palestinian militants and local U.N. officials--to have just perpetrated a "massacre" of "unarmed civilians." It is to the site of this alleged "atrocity" that Kofi Annan now intends to dispatch a commission of inquiry chaired by Yasser Arafat's favorite European diplomat, former president Martti Ahtisaari of Finland, and seconded by Cornelio Sommaruga, retired chief of the International Red Cross, a man who once likened the Star of David to a swastika.

Well that's the emotive and highly charge reason behind UNRWA. Here's the more evenly handed overview...

"ESTABLISHMENT OF UNRWA

Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict, UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, was established by United Nations General Assembly resolution 302 (IV) of 8 December 1949 to carry out direct relief and works programmes for Palestine refugees. The Agency began operations on 1 May 1950. In the absence of a solution to the Palestine refugee problem, the General Assembly has repeatedly renewed UNRWA's mandate, most recently extending it until 30 June 2005.

Since its establishment, the Agency has delivered its services in times of relative calm in the Middle East, and in times of hostilities. It has fed, housed and clothed tens of thousands of fleeing refugees and at the same time educated and given health care to hundreds of thousands of young refugees.

UNRWA is unique in terms of its long-standing commitment to one group of refugees and its contributions to the welfare and human development of four generations of Palestine refugees. Originally envisaged as a temporary organization, the Agency has gradually adjusted its programmes to meet the changing needs of the refugees. Today, UNRWA is the main provider of basic services - education, health, relief and social services - to over 3.9 million registered Palestine refugees in the Middle East."

What you should really be asking yourself is why is there a need for an organisation like UNRWA?

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Re: An Arab "Braveheart?"

"The problem with Israel, is it's full of Jews!" PP is in good company as this shows."

Thanks for the history lesson which, by the way, if you're going to quote whole pages from Yahoo the normal practice is to put in quotation marks and name your source. But I suppose you hoped others would think you actually wrote this and your other long post all by yourself...

Anyway what do you actually think the Arabs could do after the First World War? The promise of a permanent homeland for the Palestinians had been broken in favour of the jews, who were even then pouring into the country. The initial problem between the two nations was the unresticted immigration, not land, which came later as the jews took more of it.

The Arabs would naturally turn to any country which they would see as an ally in their fight against the jewish influx and the policies of Judaism.

And whilst we're talking that far back, it should be remembered that during and after WW1 jews held high positions in German government, finance and social organisations. Positions they tried to hold onto after the rise of Hitler. Even during the early stages of the final solution they were stiill to be found clinging onto their positions. Some must have known what was about to happen. It wasn't until the final solution became a major policy that they finally found themselves victims of that 'solution'.

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

Give the Palestinians everything the Ottoman Turks gave them. They can't manage any more as history proves.

 

[p_p_man]

Give the Palestinians everything the Ottoman Turks gave them. They can't manage any more as history proves.

For the past 50 odd years they haven't been given a chance to show what they can manage.

Israel has made sure of that...

ppman

 

[REDWAVE]

Little Satan & Great Satan

Just thought I'd mention the U.S. gives Israel approximately $300 million/year in military aid, and has for-- how many years now? Quite a few. Of course, the British were originally behind the formation of the Zionist colonialist state, but the U.S. took over fairly early on.

So the murder of those four peaceful Palestinian protesters can be laid squarely at the feet of Washington, D.C.

 

[HeavyStick]

redwave and ppman.... sigh....

so from your drunken and stoned point of view it was the Israelis fault for dying when the bombers struck earlier in the week?

The Palestinians are the bastard children of the Middle Eastern Arabs. After Israel was recognized in the international community as a state, the Palestinians tried it in 1957 I believe and NO ONE recognized their claim.... not even their fellow Arab's.

The Arab's are quicker to defend Saddam, than they are the Palestinian's. Arafat is a thief and has misappropriated almost a billion dollars that was for relief of his "countrymen and women" that put him in power.


So it's all the US's fault for making the bombers blow up buses and the US's fault for Saddam paying the bomber's families $25k(US), for the fight against the Jew's.

You hate Jew's don't you pp man.... why don't you go to the west bank and throw some rocks at tanks..... they'd give you Molotov's but you'd burn your lips.

 

[REDWAVE]

Shhh!

Shhh! Ppman is sleeping over there in London. Can't you hear him snoring in the background? I'm just filling in for him until he wakes up.

Actually, Stick, to try to get beyond the political rhetoric and the bullshit, the Israeli/Palestinian situation is very tough one all around. There have been plenty of deaths of innocent people on both sides. I've posted some statements condemning Sharon and the Israeli government for their attack on the Palestinian people. But even if you went back through all my posts, you won't find a single one where I endorse the tactic of suicide bombing, or gloat over the deaths of Israeli civilians. Anti-Zionism is not at all the same as anti-Semitism. I'm not anti-Semitic at all, and I'm sure ppman isn't either. I've liked most of the Jews I've know, and I respect a lot of Jewish traditions, especially their high regard for learning, the non-proselytising nature of their faith, and their liberalism and participation in civil rights and anti-war movements (although that seems to have changed in recent years).

 

[HeavyStick]

So redwave at what point and time does a country get to protect itself?

how many people must die?

These weren't tourists in a foreign country. If the Palestinians went after strictly Military and political targets, I'd have some sympathy for the "struggle" they claim.

But to indiscriminately blow up civilians on a bus. that's not acceptable.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Funny how right after 9-11 we were hearing how many Arab/Muslim countries wouldn't turn over Al Qaeda or Taliban members because their faith teaches not to turn out fellow Muslims or guests.

Yet, every Arab/Muslim country that the Palestinians have turned to for refuge have turned them away. That is the two-faced aspect of the Arab states that has withered their credibility.

The Israeli's have time and time again attempted withdrawals, and made numerous offers to attain peace. But certain Palestinians see it as an "all or nothing" campaign. Too bad the idea of "give and take" will never catch on with two people's who stake almost the exact same claims to the exact same land.

 

[miles]

Re: Shhh!

. I'm not anti-Semitic at all, I've liked most of the Jews I've know, and I respect a lot of Jewish traditions, especially their high regard for learning, the non-proselytising nature of their faith, and their liberalism and participation in civil rights and anti-war movements (although that seems to have changed in recent years).

Well, I'm thrilled you like most of the Jews you know and respect a lot of our traditions

Patronizing putz.

 

[HeavyStick]

Funny how right after 9-11 we were hearing how many Arab/Muslim countries wouldn't turn over Al Qaeda or Taliban members because their faith teaches not to turn out fellow Muslims or guests.

sshhhhh.... you're gonna get yelled at by the commie cocksucker.....