Sex Robots ??

[Handley_Page]

" During August's extraordinarily warm and enjoyable Electromagnetic Field festival, Dr Kate Devlin, a researcher at Goldsmith's department of computing, took to a packed stage to ask whether it was time for humanity to — literally and figuratively — embrace love and sex with robots.

Last year The Register spoke to Dr Kathleen Richardson, who heads the Campaign Against Sex Robots (CASR), about her opposition to love machines and My Little Pony dolls. Dr Richardson told us that she believed the introduction of sex robots would increase what she described to us as the damage to society caused by prostitution. "

Full details from the article are HERE.

It raises a few serious issues as well as a few plot bunnies.

Views, anyone ?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Yeah, no thanks. Of course if you're looking for the demise of the human race, sure, robots.

 

[SecondCircle]

No. I can't go there. Makes for great plot bunnies, but a friend and I had a three hour long discussion in the desert about this type of thing once. Never again.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Sex robots will likely happen, but luckily they are nowhere near viable today. AI has a long, long way to go before you get something human shaped that can pillow talk, let alone flirt. But if it becomes viable they'd probably put human prostitutes out of business.

I guess that's a good thing, but once you start speculating about a world in which AI is that convincingly human, you're in a world where a LOT of things have changed. Sex won't be the first thing mastered by AIs; they'll start out by taking quite a few simpler jobs away from humans. Society will look different; capitalism will have been abandoned by then and I have no idea what replaces it.

I'm not in a hurry to learn about that world but we're nearly at the dawn of quantum computing, and that's going to change stuff. Genetic engineering might also lead to the same result, and probably sooner.

But the fact that people are already trying to legitimize the idea of sex with constructed humanoids is not news. If memory serves LaVey was taking it up over 20 years ago; that's not exactly a selling point for the concept, but there it is. I doubt he was the first.

The first known person to have sex with a computer happened online a couple decades ago at least, over the internet. It was a horny guy in an IRC chat with a chat bot. I've seen the transcript, and despite the chat bot's utterly inane and random comments there's no evidence he ever figured out the bot wasn't human. Desperation can be terrifyingly blind.

 

[THROBBS]

Got mine.

found her on the world-wide interwebs!
[I]*poof*[/I]

Power
control
"playing at being God"
it is "programmed" in us!

Pygmalion and Galatea
Pinocchio (though that can read as incestuous, if thinking "sexual")

Can we BUILD (create, mold) our ideal?

 

[oggbashan]

I've used them as plot bunnies before:

Golem and my current contest entry Westry Bay.

 

[THROBBS]

Hey, she printed me a love letter! Look, it's all X-s and O-s!
[I]*poof*[/I]


what? That's "binary"!?
I thought she was straight!


Let's see...hmmmm...what's it say....


"Resistance is futile...." OH KINKY!! This i sgreat!

 

[Hypoxia]

From teledildonics to sex'bots to the extinction of humanity. It's inevitable.

But only when sex'bots are cheaper and cleaner than human prostitutes.

In the bright world of the future, we'll all be fucking vicarious experiences.

 

[sr71plt]

I went there with GM sci-fi, with "Pleasure Giver" (https://www.literotica.com/s/pleasure-giver)

 

[Hypoxia]

We usually think of robots as metallic. With advancing technology, t'ain't necessarily so. Future sex'bots will be organic, grown as fleshy androids with programmed brains. They will be Artificial Persons, probably with forehead tattoos to distinguish them from Natural Persons, but otherwise anatomically compatible. They will be AI-driven to maximize human pleasure. Does that mean they will fuck us to death? Watch for a trail of bodies...

 

[OliviaM]

Got mine.

found her on the world-wide interwebs!

Totally the wrong chassis for a sex robot! Too many pinchy joints. lol
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3302 (plus the next few pages)

Power
control
"playing at being God"
it is "programmed" in us!

Pygmalion and Galatea
Pinocchio (though that can read as incestuous, if thinking "sexual")

Can we BUILD (create, mold) our ideal?

I think that's the core of it. We want to create an ideal. The appeal of sex robots is that we could create our "ideal" fantasy person. It's going to happen eventually but I think they'll only be slightly more common than Real Dolls.

We usually think of robots as metallic. With advancing technology, t'ain't necessarily so. Future sex'bots will be organic, grown as fleshy androids with programmed brains. They will be Artificial Persons, probably with forehead tattoos to distinguish them from Natural Persons, but otherwise anatomically compatible. They will be AI-driven to maximize human pleasure. Does that mean they will fuck us to death? Watch for a trail of bodies...

Now that's the question. Are we talking about robots or true AI? I don't have problems with the ethics of sex robots, anymore than I'd have an issue with a dildo. But there are serious ethical issues in programming a fully sentient AI that is only designed to have sex. That's getting into replicant territory and sex trafficking, even if the AI is programmed to "like" it.

 

[lovecraft68]

sex robots are the dream of both the terminally losery as well as the misogynistic. Just think a woman that actually would listen to them because they were programmed to which is 'as it should be"

Also the only woman those assholes would be capable of turning on.

 

[Hypoxia]

Now that's the question. Are we talking about robots or true AI? I don't have problems with the ethics of sex robots, anymore than I'd have an issue with a dildo. But there are serious ethical issues in programming a fully sentient AI that is only designed to have sex. That's getting into replicant territory and sex trafficking, even if the AI is programmed to "like" it.

The ethical question then becomes: Who is responsible for an AI's behavior? Is the AI/robot a total slave that only follows its owner's desires and mandates, or is it an autonomous entity that takes blame or credit for its actions? Does a conscious dildo have the choice not to be inserted somewhere?

 

[Handley_Page]

I recall reading a story by Isaac Asimov about a robot man.
Cannot remember the title though; it's been a while since I read it.

 

[OliviaM]

I recall reading a story by Isaac Asimov about a robot man.
Cannot remember the title though; it's been a while since I read it.

That would be all of them.

 

[Handley_Page]

That would be all of them.

No; sorry I didn't mean it quite that way.
The one I had in mind put up things and painted walls.

 

[lovecraft68]

The only woman the real men can handle

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4c/c8/df/4cc8df8eaba4279b5ee0d24c0e39dfbe.jpg

 

[oggbashan]

I recall reading a story by Isaac Asimov about a robot man.
Cannot remember the title though; it's been a while since I read it.

That would be all of them.

No; sorry I didn't mean it quite that way.
The one I had in mind put up things and painted walls.

It's in his short stories collected as I, Robot.

 

[wet_special]

I have to disagree with some of the more futuristic notions of sex robots postulated here. It would be quite the fantasy, indeed, for us to go straight into having self-contained AIs that lounge around in our loft waiting for us to come home so that we can engage with them emotionally as we fuck their organic lab-grown genitals to mutual oblivion. It might eventually come to that, if humanity can break out of its servitude to autocratic government long enough to have another 5000 year leap. Come to think of it, I have written Sci-fi in which humans have built artificial beings for sex which are kind of hard to distinguish from the real thing because they are lab grown etc. as well as alien versions which are basically akin to magic. The manmade ones, however, they have programming rather than an AI or "consciousness" and they are disposable. They are equipped with wireless so that when more "human" or organic feel / speech patterns are wanted, they can receive instructions from a shackled AI. Unshackled AI? Almost certainly the inception of Skynet and a terminator style extermination of humanity. With that kind of track record and nothing to gain, would you take chances on humanity? I wouldn't, a logical AI wouldn't.

First gen latex sex dolls are poseable and non-digital. 2nd gen we might see some basic movement, stimulating powered fleshlights or dildo attachments, and the ability to assume sex positions, but hardly what we might call a robot. Women will probably leave him in bed, too heavy to drag him around. He would be a nuisance when it is time to wash the sheets.

Within the next 50 years, we will see something akin to poseable latex sex dolls that have very rudimentary programming. They will walk, do some housekeeping tasks, shake their hips or breasts enticingly, and hold a variety of positions in bed. They may have a "personality" layered on that, which is stored elsewhere in the cloud, and manifests through a persistent wireless connection. You can talk to the personality on your computer, text it, and when the robot is near you, it might be programmed to use the robot to speak and hear you.. but chances are the lip movements will not match very well unless you buy a specialty "mouth" with fully actuated speech. You likely will not bother looking at the lips when it "talks."

Their rubber sex equipment will come in great variety. They might have just one hole instead of two down there. They could have two, or three. Some niche developers might install these sex interface modules (fleshlights) in fetish places like armpits. Yes, these modules will have advantages over genitals, but lab grown? Please. That's way far away. We might nuke ourselves to oblivion first, or watch our civilization collapse because of our complete lack of ethics or our addiction to robot mates. Besides consider the disadvantages of organics. They get hurt. They get disease. They make a mess. They need a fully functioning cardiovascular and digestive system, an immune system, and a rudimentary endocrine system to boot. Those things don't just grow on trees, we will need heaps of resources to make and maintain such things. Resources are limited. There will always be scarcity. Sex robots will be a cheap thrill, and developers will sidestep the messy stuff with rubber, batteries, servos, and lube.

Back to the fuck holes. There will be modules designed to fit into the desired areas, with features you won't find in real life. A blowjob with no teeth, or retractable teeth. A guy with multiple tongues, one built more like a cock. The robot will perform oral while talking dirty, since speech articulation does not require the mouth and lips when the robot uses a speaker. The rubberized sex interface can be heated to mimic the temperature of the real thing, or not, to prolong the experience. Guys tend to only last 20 strokes on average, how much longer can he go if the hole is kept a little cooler? As for the male robot, well, no there will be attachable dongs of every shape and color. Real corkscrewing action? Lube injection? The robot might need to be plugged in for vigorous fucking, but it won't run out of breath. It will act "satisfied" when you are satisfied.

If capitalism takes us down this path, it will be successful and profitable temporarily. It will also most likely lead to society rot and depopulation that makes the 21st century look like leave it to beaver. Within a generation, our progeny will all be begging for our robot overlords to come to our rescue.

Didn't mean to make this so long but eh, might as well share a complete thought. I might be wrong about some of this stuff but it makes the most sense to me so far.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't do female robots, so I don't have the outrage over that being expressed on this thread. My male robots are reengineered humans. I don't know where that falls in terms of robotics (nor to I care. It doesn't affect what I write in my stories on messing with sex partners to enhance the pleasure of sex).

 

[OliviaM]

I don't do female robots, so I don't have the outrage over that being expressed on this thread. My male robots are reengineered humans. I don't know where that falls in terms of robotics (nor to I care. It doesn't affect what I write in my stories on messing with sex partners to enhance the pleasure of sex).

A reengineered human would still be a human, since they started out that way. Unless there's some mind control involved, like implants in the brain, a reengineered human can still think for themselves and should still be considered human for the purpose of ethics or morality or whatever.

Pedantic: A robot is something that mimics life, like vacuuming our floors or building cars. They're no different from a toaster. An android (or gynoid) is an artificial intelligence created from scratch with some level of sentience and put in a human-like body. I'm not sure which type you were referring to.

I'm not sure about the gender comment. There's no ethical difference in making your robot look female or male, whatever kind of sex robot we're talking about.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

But there are serious ethical issues in programming a fully sentient AI that is only designed to have sex. That's getting into replicant territory and sex trafficking, even if the AI is programmed to "like" it.

Personally, I take the view that we'll never be able to create something from scratch with the complexity of a human brain, so if there are sex robots, they'll either 1) have essentially cloned brains, which makes them effectively human (which leads to major ethical issues if they have no choice) or 2) AI with nowhere near the complexity of a human, and so no capability of being sexually interesting.

2) is fine I guess, if stupid. They'll be Real Dolls with Furby brains. I know that's all some people need to get off; but personally I find it hard to take that kind of thing seriously. Maybe they can be used to distract the pedos, beasties and incestuous from going after living creatures? Not much else seems to help people with those issues...

1)... yeah, I'm hoping we simply don't go there. Humanity has a long history of being ok with slavery, and it's still happening today. But slavery will become an unstoppable billion dollar business, and in a heartbeat, if we can construct slaves.

 

[LadyVer]

The only woman the real men can handle

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4c/c8/df/4cc8df8eaba4279b5ee0d24c0e39dfbe.jpg

Reminds me of steam punk. It ain't all bad. It's kind of like Jules Verne revisited for the 21st century. The issue of technology and humans is unfortunately still being written. Some things just can't be stopped.

 

[sr71plt]

A reengineered human would still be a human, since they started out that way. Unless there's some mind control involved, like implants in the brain, a reengineered human can still think for themselves and should still be considered human for the purpose of ethics or morality or whatever.

Pedantic: A robot is something that mimics life, like vacuuming our floors or building cars. They're no different from a toaster. An android (or gynoid) is an artificial intelligence created from scratch with some level of sentience and put in a human-like body. I'm not sure which type you were referring to.

I'm not sure about the gender comment. There's no ethical difference in making your robot look female or male, whatever kind of sex robot we're talking about.

Sorry, as far as writing my stories, I don't care a jot about that. And if I want to call my reengineered men robots, I will.

Pedantry and "rules" in fiction don't limit me if my imagination wants to brush them aside. You should read what I do with vampires.

 

[CyranoJ]

Maybe they can be used to distract the pedos, beasties and incestuous from going after living creatures?

They'd also potentially give MRA goobers something to do besides harassing real women and fulminating about "SJWs."

The only problem with that is that it could easily further isolate people from the skills needed to interact with real people, and might just wind up providing practice for them to be abusive of real people. So overall it's probably a terrible idea, or at least the kind of thing that would ideally be based on some kind of ethical regulations on design, control and access.