Sex and Drugs?

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It seems I need to call my doctor and get with the program. - Perdita ;)

A Pill's Surprises, for Patient and Doctor Alike - RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D., NY Times, Jan. 25, 2005
As a psychopharmacologist, I know that every patient responds slightly differently to medication. But it wasn't until I met Susan that I understood just how differently. She'd come to see me because she was depressed, and I'd successfully treated her with a course of Zoloft, a popular antidepressant. But as often happens, Susan's desire for sex had vanished along with her depressed mood. "I kind of miss it, but I feel really bad for my husband, who's getting very frustrated," she said.

The sexual side effects of antidepressants like Zoloft and Prozac - the class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or S.S.R.I.'s - are well known. The drugs frequently cause diminished libido, erectile dysfunction in men, and delayed orgasm or an inability to climax at all in women. The same flooding of the brain with serotonin that alleviates depression leads to sexual effects in many patients. Early on, the rates of sexual side effects from S.S.R.I.'s reported in the medical literature were quite low, in the range of 10 percent to 20 percent. But clinicians knew better. Most of their patients reported some sexual effects, and it quickly became clear that the early reports were wrong.

The reason for this error was simple. Early clinical trials of the drugs did not look for sexual side effects; they just recorded problems that patients spontaneously reported. Because most patients are reluctant to bring up any sexual side effects on their own, the researchers got the false impression that these drugs had little effect on sexuality. When the subjects were specifically asked about sexual side effects, the rates rose to 40 percent to 50 percent.

Susan fell into that unlucky percentage, and she asked me if anything could be done. There were three possible approaches, I told her. She could stop the drug from time to time, a strategy that might temporarily restore her sex drive but could cause discontinuation symptoms; she could lower the dose of the antidepressant, which might provoke a relapse of depression; or we could try to counteract the side effects with another medication. A temporary escape didn't appeal to Susan, so we decided on the third approach, an antidote. The question was, Which one? Serotonin-blocking drugs like Periactin, an antihistamine, treat sexual side effects, but they can also undo the drugs' antidepressant effects. I decided to prescribe Wellbutrin, a different class of antidepressant that has shown some ability to counteract sexual dysfunction caused by S.S.R.I.'s.

Little did I know. Two weeks later, Susan called from her cellphone to say that the antidote was working. While shopping, she said, she spontaneously had an orgasm that had lasted on and off for nearly two hours . She was more delighted than alarmed, but I was stunned. I have had my share of therapeutic surprises, but this was hard to believe. Was this a medical emergency or unrepeatable fluke that Susan needn't worry about? When I saw her the next day in my office, she was calm and somewhat amused by my concern. After all, since when is an orgasm a cause for alarm? I was worried, though, that the addition of Wellbutrin had set off an episode of mania, an effect that antidepressants can have in up to 5 percent of patients. In that case, her prolonged orgasm might be a symptom of hypersexuality, common in mania. But Susan didn't seem either manic or depressed.

It seems that for her, the Wellbutrin just had an extreme sexually enhancing effect. Several colleagues told me about patients of theirs who had experienced heightened sexual desire on Wellbutrin, but none of the reports came close to Susan's. That Wellbutrin can enhance sexual pleasure isn't surprising: it increases the activity of dopamine, a key neurotransmitter in the brain's reward pathway. In fact, drugs of abuse, like cocaine, alcohol and opiates, release dopamine in this circuit - and so does sex.

A year has passed without a recurrence of this surprising side effect. But Susan is enjoying sex now - clearly more than she did before she became depressed. Because this was her first episode of major depression, the chance of a recurrence was only about 50 percent, so I suggested stopping the antidepressant. She liked that idea, but then paused and asked, "Do I have to stop the Wellbutrin, too?"

We both laughed.
 
I've read about Wellbutrin causing "spontaneous orgasms," and also orgasms that coincided with yawning.

That would feel odd, wouldn't it? To yawn during the big O?

"Oh god, I'm yawwwwwwwnnnnnnnniiiiinnnnnngggggggggg!!"


~ ~ ~

Putting on Subjoe's serious hat, the one with the pom-poms,

> In the pit of despair where I was when I finally agreed to try an SSRI, sex was somewhere below "keep breathing" on my list of priorities. No wonder they didn't test for sexual side effects at the beginning. They were trying to ease a life-threatening condition.

> Not until I felt well enough to care did I begin to ask about alternatives to Prozac.

> Tried Wellbutrin. No sexual side effect, but I had a rarer one: a constant, almost painful urge to yawn. Seriously, it sounds stupid but I'd compare it to someone who suffers from undisrupted hiccups. I'd be talking to a client in a meeting I was nervous about, and instead of trying to seem calm I'd be fighting the need to yawn. Denyiing it felt like suffocating. It was as if I couldn't draw a deep breath unless i kept yawning. I'd wake up at night needing to yawn. It couldn't go on.

(No one should be discouraged from trying Wellbutrin because of a rare side effect. That one is so unusual that my doctor told me I was imagiining it - I was relieved to find it listed in the small print in the patient literature.)

> Celexa. My miracle SSRI. No side effects that I'm aware of, unless I blame my insomnia on it. I think that's really just a bad habit, though.


perdita said:
It seems I need to call my doctor and get with the program. - Perdita ;)

A Pill's Surprises, for Patient and Doctor Alike - RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D., NY Times, Jan. 25, 2005
As a psychopharmacologist, I know that every patient responds slightly differently to medication. But it wasn't until I met Susan that I understood just how differently. She'd come to see me because she was depressed, and I'd successfully treated her with a course of Zoloft, a popular antidepressant. But as often happens, Susan's desire for sex had vanished along with her depressed mood. "I kind of miss it, but I feel really bad for my husband, who's getting very frustrated," she said.

The sexual side effects of antidepressants like Zoloft and Prozac - the class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or S.S.R.I.'s - are well known. The drugs frequently cause diminished libido, erectile dysfunction in men, and delayed orgasm or an inability to climax at all in women. The same flooding of the brain with serotonin that alleviates depression leads to sexual effects in many patients. Early on, the rates of sexual side effects from S.S.R.I.'s reported in the medical literature were quite low, in the range of 10 percent to 20 percent. But clinicians knew better. Most of their patients reported some sexual effects, and it quickly became clear that the early reports were wrong.

The reason for this error was simple. Early clinical trials of the drugs did not look for sexual side effects; they just recorded problems that patients spontaneously reported. Because most patients are reluctant to bring up any sexual side effects on their own, the researchers got the false impression that these drugs had little effect on sexuality. When the subjects were specifically asked about sexual side effects, the rates rose to 40 percent to 50 percent.

Susan fell into that unlucky percentage, and she asked me if anything could be done. There were three possible approaches, I told her. She could stop the drug from time to time, a strategy that might temporarily restore her sex drive but could cause discontinuation symptoms; she could lower the dose of the antidepressant, which might provoke a relapse of depression; or we could try to counteract the side effects with another medication. A temporary escape didn't appeal to Susan, so we decided on the third approach, an antidote. The question was, Which one? Serotonin-blocking drugs like Periactin, an antihistamine, treat sexual side effects, but they can also undo the drugs' antidepressant effects. I decided to prescribe Wellbutrin, a different class of antidepressant that has shown some ability to counteract sexual dysfunction caused by S.S.R.I.'s.

Little did I know. Two weeks later, Susan called from her cellphone to say that the antidote was working. While shopping, she said, she spontaneously had an orgasm that had lasted on and off for nearly two hours . She was more delighted than alarmed, but I was stunned. I have had my share of therapeutic surprises, but this was hard to believe. Was this a medical emergency or unrepeatable fluke that Susan needn't worry about? When I saw her the next day in my office, she was calm and somewhat amused by my concern. After all, since when is an orgasm a cause for alarm? I was worried, though, that the addition of Wellbutrin had set off an episode of mania, an effect that antidepressants can have in up to 5 percent of patients. In that case, her prolonged orgasm might be a symptom of hypersexuality, common in mania. But Susan didn't seem either manic or depressed.

It seems that for her, the Wellbutrin just had an extreme sexually enhancing effect. Several colleagues told me about patients of theirs who had experienced heightened sexual desire on Wellbutrin, but none of the reports came close to Susan's. That Wellbutrin can enhance sexual pleasure isn't surprising: it increases the activity of dopamine, a key neurotransmitter in the brain's reward pathway. In fact, drugs of abuse, like cocaine, alcohol and opiates, release dopamine in this circuit - and so does sex.

A year has passed without a recurrence of this surprising side effect. But Susan is enjoying sex now - clearly more than she did before she became depressed. Because this was her first episode of major depression, the chance of a recurrence was only about 50 percent, so I suggested stopping the antidepressant. She liked that idea, but then paused and asked, "Do I have to stop the Wellbutrin, too?"

We both laughed.
 
A few miles from my home is Pfizer's main UK factory and research establishment, famous for inventing Viagra.

In the last couple of years Pfizer's have installed a wastewater treatment plant so that waste chemicals no longer end up in the shallow sea water close by their plant.

The sea water now passes European Quality Standards. The fish aren't so numerous as they were. The side effects of eating local catches aren't as marked. Dover Sole was supposed to be as effective as oysters.

The sandworms are still reproducing at a remarkable rate. The sand deposits are impregnated with years of Pfizer's waste. It will take decades for the sand to be free of contaminants. Meanwhile the bait diggers prosper.

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oggbashan said:
A few miles from my home is Pfizer's main UK factory and research establishment, famous for inventing Viagra.

In the last couple of years Pfizer's have installed a wastewater treatment plant so that waste chemicals no longer end up in the shallow sea water close by their plant.

The sea water now passes European Quality Standards. The fish aren't so numerous as they were. The side effects of eating local catches aren't as marked. Dover Sole was supposed to be as effective as oysters.

The sandworms are still reproducing at a remarkable rate. The sand deposits are impregnated with years of Pfizer's waste. It will take decades for the sand to be free of contaminants. Meanwhile the bait diggers prosper.

Og

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is expected to issue approval next week for sand impregnated with Pfizer's waste. It's being touted as a treatment for female hysteria and attacks of the vapours.
 
Re: Re: Sex and Drugs?

Maybe that's why my mother got so much easier to live with after she started taking Welbutrin......:D

shereads said:
I'd be talking to a client in a meeting I was nervous about, and instead of trying to seem calm I'd be fighting the need to yawn.

Sher, that's what I do when I'm nervous and I'm in a situation like a meeting so I can't smoke or twist ruber bands around and around until my fingers are tangled in them or any other outward sign of insanity. It took me forever to realize that's why I can't stop yawning in those situations and it drives me fucking mad. I feel your pain. (Well, I feel your pain along with being jealous that yours was drug related and you could get rid of it...)
 
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