senate votes to remove confederate names from military bases

[butters]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/...te=1&user_id=33e9b2b47b7f7761a48a8053d434359c

A key Senate committee voted on Wednesday to require the Pentagon to strip military bases and equipment of Confederate names, monuments or symbols within three years, setting up an election-year clash with President Trump on the issue amid a rapidly building national outcry against historical representations of racism.

The move by the Armed Services Committee to insert the mandate into a must-pass defense authorization bill, which was supported by Republicans and Democrats alike, came as Mr. Trump publicly declared his refusal to even consider removing any of the names. He raged about it on Twitter on Thursday, exhorting members of his party to resist the effort even as a growing number of Republicans on Capitol Hill said they were open to removing symbols of the Confederacy.

The conflict underscored how isolated the president is becoming, even from members of his own party, as protests of police brutality against black people fuel a broader discussion of race and identity in America.

The proposal includes a measure that would exempt “grave markers” from the ban

Senator James Lankford, Republican of Oklahoma, held back from supporting renaming the bases, but said it was important to start a discussion about why they were named after Confederates in the first place.

“A lot of those statues and monuments were put there to kind of declare, ‘We’re not going to integrate,’” Mr. Lankford said. “I think we should acknowledge that and, say, ‘No, we are.’ And for those that were digging in during the time of Jim Crow, they need to know that time has passed.”

 

[cinnefille]

Your fucking point?

Go back to your country, if you think Americans are so beneath you.

 

[butters]

this senate vote, introduced by elizabeth warren but backed by reps and dems alike, was passed after trump's tweets about no way would he allow it, and he seemed not to be aware of its bipartisan support when he tweeted (after it had passed) that 'pocahontas' had introduced a bill to remove the names from great bases and republican senators mustn't 'fall for it'.

more and more, trump's being sidelined by republicans around him; they've seen the writing on the wall, and it's not in sharpie.

 

[butters]

colin robinson seeking attention he's not gonna get

 

[Mal_Huevo]

Wasnt the confederacy only together for like 5 years before they got their asses handed to them?
I really dont understand the attachment rednecks have to that flag.

 

[butters]

Wasnt the confederacy only together for like 5 years before they got their asses handed to them?
I really dont understand the attachment rednecks have to that flag.

they never got over not being allowed to own people as commodities

 

[cinnefille]

colin robinson seeking attention he's not gonna get

it's just that "look at Me Me Mw, my fee-fees hurt for the Blacks"
arrogant, insular British fucks like you and Des do my head in.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Your fucking point?

Go back to your country, if you think Americans are so beneath you.

She won't even listen to anyone who has any differing viewpoints.

Toe the line of radical leftism or she'll ignore you, it's ok, she doesn't have the mental capacity for it anyhow.

 

[hogjack]

Your fucking point?

Go back to your country, if you think Americans are so beneath you.

butters has no country

But did that brave customer service work. Please tell us more!

 

[adrina]

this senate vote, introduced by elizabeth warren but backed by reps and dems alike, was passed after trump's tweets about no way would he allow it, and he seemed not to be aware of its bipartisan support when he tweeted (after it had passed) that 'pocahontas' had introduced a bill to remove the names from great bases and republican senators mustn't 'fall for it'.

more and more, trump's being sidelined by republicans around him; they've seen the writing on the wall, and it's not in sharpie.

If Trump vetoes it - and he most certainly will -the GOP bootlickers will fold like a house of cards. Because, business as usual, party over country.

 

[FlowersForFun]

If Trump vetoes it - and he most certainly will -the GOP bootlickers will fold like a house of cards. Because, business as usual, party over country.

Not party over country.

History over fee fees.

You guys want to go ISIS and erase your history?

Do it in your states/towns. But the rest of us are not so keen on ignoring and being willfully ignorant of our national history.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think they should keep Fort Hood "as is". General John Bell Hood, CSA, was instrumental in destroying the 2nd largest army in the Confederacy, the Army of Tennessee. Bad luck, bad leadership and especially bad tactics basically obliterated the Army of Tennessee under Hood's leadership.

 

[butters]

If Trump vetoes it - and he most certainly will -the GOP bootlickers will fold like a house of cards. Because, business as usual, party over country.

if trump vetoes it, what happens next? still trying to work out how this country organises stuff

since it's already been passed in a bipartisan manner by a co-equal governmental power, can he actually veto it? if he does, due to the introduction of the name-removal which was quite acceptable to a lot of republicans as well as dems, and given the increasing "social-awareness"/trump-distancing/butt-covering going on, what implications will that have on his election-poll figures?

the original article said the authorization bill was a 'must-pass', so can he still veto it? complex business, this 'murican politicking

 

[Lazaran]

Your fucking point?

Go back to your country, if you think Americans are so beneath you.

Where exactly are you from???

As an American living in America I'm here to tell you to FOAD.

The confederates were slavery supporting traitorous scum. It's no wonder Trump supports them.

They are the reason the country has never healed since the civil war. They always believed that "the south would rise again". Their pathetic redneck rebellion got put down once before and this latest rebellion with Trump as their leader is about to be crushed again.

The dumb fucks who keep saying stupid shit like "there's no white privilege, discrimination, or institutional racism" need look no further than the confederate flag, confederate monuments, military bases named after confederate slavery advocates , the concentration of wealth in the hands of white Americans, and the number of incarcerated black men, to know how moronic they sound to anybody but another moron.

 

[SugarDaddy1]

The Senate voted?

 

[Em_1]

Source

fyp - ywia

 

[jaF0]

I vote we make Jefferson Beauregard Sessions change his name.

 

[adrina]

if trump vetoes it, what happens next? still trying to work out how this country organises stuff

since it's already been passed in a bipartisan manner by a co-equal governmental power, can he actually veto it? if he does, due to the introduction of the name-removal which was quite acceptable to a lot of republicans as well as dems, and given the increasing "social-awareness"/trump-distancing/butt-covering going on, what implications will that have on his election-poll figures?

the original article said the authorization bill was a 'must-pass', so can he still veto it? complex business, this 'murican politicking

Yes a president can veto any bill. Regardless of popularity. The senate can then vote to override the veto but they need two thirds to do it. There's also something called a pocket veto - I'm not as familiar with that one. Something about just not signing a bill and letting it lapse into obscurity. I could look it up but I'm eating dinner, so meh.

Politicians try to put things in must pass bills all the time. Typically omnibus funding packages. Ones that if not passed, then the government tends to shut down or some such similar problem. An unpalatable amendment is called a poison pill. Sometimes they pass, sometimes they don't. Many times poison pills are inserted at the legislation stage to make a point or garner favor with certain constituents. And many times these are deleted from the final draft as they are recognized for what they are - usually political grandstanding that would hold up must pass bills.

Trump, however, has shown time and time again that he is very emotional and has little impulse control. And it's not like he hasn't changed his mind often enough. But his struggle right now is between maintaining the base and bad PR with the rest of the electorate. What will the toddler in chief choose? We'll see.

 

[butters]

Yes a president can veto any bill. Regardless of popularity. The senate can then vote to override the veto but they need two thirds to do it. There's also something called a pocket veto - I'm not as familiar with that one. Something about just not signing a bill and letting it lapse into obscurity. I could look it up but I'm eating dinner, so meh.

Politicians try to put things in must pass bills all the time. Typically omnibus funding packages. Ones that if not passed, then the government tends to shut down or some such similar problem. An unpalatable amendment is called a poison pill. Sometimes they pass, sometimes they don't. Many times poison pills are inserted at the legislation stage to make a point or garner favor with certain constituents. And many times these are deleted from the final draft as they are recognized for what they are - usually political grandstanding that would hold up must pass bills.

Trump, however, has shown time and time again that he is very emotional and has little impulse control. And it's not like he hasn't changed his mind often enough. But his struggle right now is between maintaining the base and bad PR with the rest of the electorate. What will the toddler in chief choose? We'll see.

ah, thankyou. that makes it easier to grasp.

so it looks as if they're expecting his veto but the veto-veto will force the senate to vote as a whole rather than just the committee. the question that remains, then, is will they get the 2/3rds to pass it, and that'll come in this election year?

(eat, enjoy, answer as and when)

 

[adrina]

ah, thankyou. that makes it easier to grasp.

so it looks as if they're expecting his veto but the veto-veto will force the senate to vote as a whole rather than just the committee. the question that remains, then, is will they get the 2/3rds to pass it, and that'll come in this election year?

(eat, enjoy, answer as and when)

Some reading....

A bill or joint resolution that has been vetoed by the President can become law if two-thirds of the Members voting in the House and the Senate each agree to pass it over the President’s objection. The chambers act sequentially on vetoed measures: The House acts first on House-originated measures (H.R. and H.J. Res.),and the Senate acts first on Senate-originated measures (S. and S.J. Res.). If the first-acting chamber fails to override the veto, the other chamber cannot consider it. The House typically considers the question of overriding a presidential veto under the hour rule, with time customarily controlled and allocated by the chair and ranking member of the committee with jurisdiction over the bill. The Senate usually considers the question of overriding a veto under the terms of a unanimous consent agreement

https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/2b1325dc-6a6b-42c4-9a08-506c3a59a251.pdf

 

[akatrex]

Like there is one Black person that would know that Fort Bragg was named after a Confederate without looking it up on the internet?

How about Fort Huey P. Newton?

Hell, they named a Helicopter after him!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/5/59/Huey.png/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/360?cb=20130614113802

 

[SugarDaddy1]

Obama admin turned down renaming of Army bases: 'Reconciliation, not division'

The U.S. Army under President Barack Obama turned down the suggestion in 2015 of renaming military bases that had been named for Confederate generals.

The idea emerged in the wake of the mass shooting at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in which a white supremacist murdered nine black parishioners. In the aftermath, the state government removed the Confederate battle flag from the grounds of the state capitol, noting its history as a symbol of division.

However, the Obama administration rejected the idea of renaming military bases named for Confederate bases, noting that many of the names had been adopted as symbols of reconciliation between North and South after the brutal Civil War.

President Obama chose Fort Bragg as the site for an address welcoming U.S. troops home from their mission in Iraq in 2011.

Source

 

[Lazaran]

Source

Obama constantly tried to appease the right and he never got anything in return. That was my biggest gripe about him. He should never have caved on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. it was his first and biggest mistake.

 

[cinnefille]

Where exactly are you from???

As an American living in America I'm here to tell you to FOAD.

The confederates were slavery supporting traitorous scum. It's no wonder Trump supports them.

They are the reason the country has never healed since the civil war. They always believed that "the south would rise again". Their pathetic redneck rebellion got put down once before and this latest rebellion with Trump as their leader is about to be crushed again.

The dumb fucks who keep saying stupid shit like "there's no white privilege, discrimination, or institutional racism" need look no further than the confederate flag, confederate monuments, military bases named after confederate slavery advocates , the concentration of wealth in the hands of white Americans, and the number of incarcerated black men, to know how moronic they sound to anybody but another moron.

you and your sneaky conflation of issues.

I'm not doubting that racism, particularly against Blacks is still plaguing America.
I have a TV too.

But as to systemic racism, you're so full of shit lol.
Half of your doctors are from Nigeria.
And these:

Came via exams and jobs:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/US_immigration_FE.png/700px-US_immigration_FE.png

Came via Green card lottery:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/US_immigration_DV.png/700px-US_immigration_DV.png

Opsie!
Canada and East Asia just went dark, and Africa & Iran & lit up like Christmass trees!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

you and your sneaky conflation of issues.

I'm not doubting that racism, particularly against Blacks is still plaguing America.
I have a TV too.

But as to systemic racism, you're so full of shit lol.
Half of your doctors are from Nigeria.
And these:

Came via exams and jobs:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/US_immigration_FE.png/700px-US_immigration_FE.png

Came via Green card lottery:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/US_immigration_DV.png/700px-US_immigration_DV.png

Opsie!
Canada and East Asia just went dark, and Africa & Iran & lit up like Christmass trees!

Pretty colours, care to explain what they mean? There is no colour chart.