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itschaotic

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Hi all.
I've had my first submission rejected on suspicion of under age content. I believe this to be maybe more due to over work on the submission crew than actually the case in what I wrote. :D I can't imagine how deep your inboxes must be!

Irrespective of how or where the adjustments need to be made, I need a hand to look this <1100 word submission over and help me move toward my first posted work here.

I've read what I can about submission guidelines and rejection notices. I've had a chance to look around here quite a bit and would love to begin to have the feedback from members on what I'm writing. I'm loving writing again and to have an audience so rich as this is very attractive.

If you would be willing to review my small bit of work and provide me with the means to resubmit it for publishing here, I would be grateful.
Respectfully. :rose:

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splendid like duck coils!~

snooper said:
All I get is "Not Found" when I click your link.

Thanks for the nod you two. I hope I've got that fixed now. Sorry for the false start.
 
itschaotic said:
Thanks for the nod you two. I hope I've got that fixed now. Sorry for the false start.


Grade nine was the worst. By the beginning of Grade ten I was having sex regularly with three different girls and they all knew about each other.

I haven't read it all but just this small part lets me know that there is in fact underage characters in your story. Probably the reason for the rejection.
 
<nod> Even describing yourself having sex in the 9th grade would be underage content. (15 years old?) Unless you were a VERY slow learner.

Perhaps make yourself a Sophomore in college? Even if the reality in your life was 9th grade. It would also lead people to assume the girls you were engaged in relations with to believe they were 18+ as well and in college, unless you said otherwise.

Remember, as a web site, they cannot go by your own local jurisdiction for age of consent, which may well be 15 or 16 years of age, they have to go by the established international norm, which is age 18.
 
I get it but...

mack_the_knife said:
<nod> Even describing yourself having sex in the 9th grade would be underage content. (15 years old?) Unless you were a VERY slow learner.

Perhaps make yourself a Sophomore in college? Even if the reality in your life was 9th grade. It would also lead people to assume the girls you were engaged in relations with to believe they were 18+ as well and in college, unless you said otherwise.

Remember, as a web site, they cannot go by your own local jurisdiction for age of consent, which may well be 15 or 16 years of age, they have to go by the established international norm, which is age 18.



I hear you when you say that the mention of someone having sex in grade nine is unthinkable and is likely the reason for the rejection.

However, what interests me at this point is how I have not made it clear in the story that this grade nine and ten reference is a memory of an adult who is the character in the story. That was what I had intended but it is so obviously not clear to many who read it.

Or are you all skimming lightly enough that I shouldn't expect a reader to make the same mistake? With a lot of reading to do I might make the same mistakes. No worries. :rose:

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I wrote:
I recently played a stalling game where I held out a whole week while keeping a lid on
the grouch, willingly imposing the deprivation myself, to refresh my memory. I
normally cum at least once a day and often more. When I was youngerI was ravenous
and had to be sure to carry appropriate covers to hide my erection. Grade nine was the
worst. By the beginning of Grade ten I was having sex regularly with three different
girls and they all knew about each other.


(I was trying to substantiate the intensity of this guys commitment to the act and justify his care and attention to detail with him having a long history of being enthusiastic)

By the time the week was up (as in "recently"), I was stirring between my legs constantly.

===============

I was convinced that the voice in the story was nothing but adult. I can't imagine a grade nine student speaking like this but I've made assumptions that need to be corrected, regardless. In fact it was referenced that the drive was highest in grade nine and the sex didn't start until grade ten. (16?)

So simply referring to having had sex before being 18 is taboo? Why could I not say that here when I can write that in almost any other venue? This is a bit odd. I'm new here so if this is the way it is and discussion isn't desirable then I'm still good, but will remain curious. The irony is flaming.

I've not written about having sex under age, I've only admitted that the character had under age sex. I take it that this site is under more pressure than a garden variety forum over these issues? I've so much to learn.

When I remove the entire reference in red above, do I simply resubmit?

Thanks to everyone who's helped me plod through this. I appreciate you all taking the time to enlighten me.
Cheers! Ian.
 
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itschaotic said:
I hear you when you say that the mention of someone having sex in grade nine is unthinkable and is likely the reason for the rejection.

However, what interests me at this point is how I have not made it clear in the story that this grade nine and ten reference is a memory of an adult who is the character in the story. That was what I had intended but it is so obviously not clear to many who read it.

Or are you all skimming lightly enough that I shouldn't expect a reader to make the same mistake? With a lot of reading to do I might make the same mistakes. No worries. :rose:

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I wrote:
I recently played a stalling game where I held out a whole week while keeping a lid on
the grouch, willingly imposing the deprivation myself, to refresh my memory. I
normally cum at least once a day and often more. When I was youngerI was ravenous
and had to be sure to carry appropriate covers to hide my erection. Grade nine was the
worst. By the beginning of Grade ten I was having sex regularly with three different
girls and they all knew about each other.


(I was trying to substantiate the intensity of this guys commitment to the act and justify his care and attention to detail with him having a long history of being enthusiastic)

By the time the week was up (as in "recently"), I was stirring between my legs constantly.

===============

I was convinced that the voice in the story was nothing but adult. I can't imagine a grade nine student speaking like this but I've made assumptions that need to be corrected, regardless. In fact it was referenced that the drive was highest in grade nine and the sex didn't start until grade ten. (16?)

So simply referring to having had sex before being 18 is taboo? Why could I not say that here when I can write that in almost any other venue? This is a bit odd. I'm new here so if this is the way it is and discussion isn't desirable then I'm still good, but will remain curious. The irony is flaming.

I've not written about having sex under age, I've only admitted that the character had under age sex. I take it that this site is under more pressure than a garden variety forum over these issues? I've so much to learn.

When I remove the entire reference in red above, do I simply resubmit?

Thanks to everyone who's helped me plod through this. I appreciate you all taking the time to enlighten me.
Cheers! Ian.

It doesn't matter that YOU as an adult are relating something that happened in the past. Lit's rule clearly state that no character in a story, neither in the past, the present nor the future, can be underage and this bit in red clearly shows your underage character having sex, and sexual thoughts....it's a big NO-NO.

So simply referring to having had sex before being 18 is taboo?
It might not be taboo but it isn't allowed on Lit. Everybody knows that people don't suddently become sexual when they reach 18 but here your characters have to be pure as snow until they become 18 and then they can be as sexual as you want them to be.

Or are you all skimming lightly enough that I shouldn't expect a reader to make the same mistake?

Skimming or not...anybody reading your story before approval will reject for underage sex. And even if you were so lucky as to get someone who didn't read that part properly and let it pass...unless the reader had an IQ of ten below the earthworm you can be assured that there would be complaint that your story contains underage sex and it isn't allowed on Lit.

I was convinced that the voice in the story was nothing but adult. I can't imagine a grade nine student speaking like this but I've made assumptions that need to be corrected, regardless. In fact it was referenced that the drive was highest in grade nine and the sex didn't start until grade ten. (16?)

Of course the voice in the story is adult and everybody sees it....BUT....you're relating something that pertains to an underage character having sexual thoughts and/or sex (even if the character is still you and you're only reminescing) and it isn't allowed...period!!

Depends in what country you're schooling as here in Canada grade ten is 14 and grade twelve is 16 but even if you're referring to a country where grade ten is 16.....it's still underage under Lit's Submission guidelines.
 
listening with the ear of wisdom

LadyCibelle said:
It doesn't matter that YOU as an adult are relating something that happened in the past. Lit's rule clearly state that no character in a story, neither in the past, the present nor the future, can be underage and this bit in red clearly shows your underage character having sex, and sexual thoughts....it's a big NO-NO.


It might not be taboo but it isn't allowed on Lit. Everybody knows that people don't suddently become sexual when they reach 18 but here your characters have to be pure as snow until they become 18 and then they can be as sexual as you want them to be.



Skimming or not...anybody reading your story before approval will reject for underage sex. And even if you were so lucky as to get someone who didn't read that part properly and let it pass...unless the reader had an IQ of ten below the earthworm you can be assured that there would be complaint that your story contains underage sex and it isn't allowed on Lit.



Of course the voice in the story is adult and everybody sees it....BUT....you're relating something that pertains to an underage character having sexual thoughts and/or sex (even if the character is still you and you're only reminescing) and it isn't allowed...period!!

Depends in what country you're schooling as here in Canada grade ten is 14 and grade twelve is 16 but even if you're referring to a country where grade ten is 16.....it's still underage under Lit's Submission guidelines.

I'm not confused about the guidelines and I'm not contesting the characters involved being required to be of age. On these points I'm clear.

Now, when I remove the controversy marked in red, do I simply resubmit?
Cheers! Ian.
 
itschaotic said:
I'm not confused about the guidelines and I'm not contesting the characters involved being required to be of age. On these points I'm clear.

Now, when I remove the controversy marked in red, do I simply resubmit?
Cheers! Ian.

Yes and make sure there aren't any other instances of underage characters.
 
I'm a sorta new editor for literotica and I just wanted to say that this issue is kind of confusing to me as well. It seems odd that underage sexuality can't even be mentioned in passing. But now I know, I guess. It could have been cleared up in a less harsh way, maybe... or maybe that's just me. Oh well.
 
isthisdesire said:
I'm a sorta new editor for literotica and I just wanted to say that this issue is kind of confusing to me as well. It seems odd that underage sexuality can't even be mentioned in passing. But now I know, I guess. It could have been cleared up in a less harsh way, maybe... or maybe that's just me. Oh well.

Is that me you're calling harsh or are you simply referring to the rule? :confused: Cause if it's me...well if you think I was harsh don't ever submit a story to me as I'm even worse when I'm the one doing the editing! :eek: The rule is there for everyone and I don't make it...I simply follow them, enforce them and make sure the writers I work with understand it.

I don't really see what's confusing in the fact that no underage character can be involved in sexual action or thoughts. It's not like saying one thing one day and another completely different thing another day, that rule has been there for a while and even if everybody knows that people don't suddenly become sexual beings when they turn 18 it's easy to understand that it has to be this way on a story site if the owner don't want to be slammed with juvenile pornography.
 
You really don't have to act like your smarter than everyone else... I guess you can if you want, but it's really not cool. There are a lot of new people on this site who are just learning how things work and it seems to me that it's really not their fault if they don't understand something. So maybe we shouldn't treat them like they're idiots? Maybe?

Whatever... sorry not everyone has such a clear understanding of everything as you so obviously do.
 
LadyCibelle said:
It doesn't matter that YOU as an adult are relating something that happened in the past. Lit's rule clearly state that no character in a story, neither in the past, the present nor the future, can be underage and this bit in red clearly shows your underage character having sex, and sexual thoughts....it's a big NO-NO.

Unless Laurel has made a drastic change in policy, the section cited should have passed muster.

An adult character can make a general reference to their sexual history as long as the reference is NOT graphically described.

"I gave/got my first blowjob in grade-school and lost my virginity on my thirteenth birthday," should be acceptable for a character to speak or remember in a story as long as there are no further details and it's not done in a salacious manner.

I think the problem with the story is that there is no age reference other than "older than tenth grade" that clearly establishes the narrator's age as over eighteen and the ninth and tenth grade references leave an impression of youth to the whole story. There needs to be a more concrete reference to what "younger" means -- is "a few years," "a couple of decades," or "a half century" ago?
 
happy camper

Thanks a heap for piping up folks. It left a bad taste in my mouth that I could not seem to make myself clear in a forum of readers.

Thank-you very much for reading carefully and taking time to make constructive comments.

People sometimes tend to be abrupt and impatient, but learning very rarely happens well for me in that atmosphere. I'm happy to see that all here don't need to be gruff to make a point clear.

I removed the offending part and it was accepted. I think with your help I could have included some other age references to anchor the character specifically, and have left the other piece in just as well or to better effect.

I'm glad to know my skin has thickened a bit over the years, but it's also a great feeling to find some friends willing to speak freely. My writing has benefited from you all.
Cheers! Ian.
 
isthisdesire said:
You really don't have to act like your smarter than everyone else... I guess you can if you want, but it's really not cool. There are a lot of new people on this site who are just learning how things work and it seems to me that it's really not their fault if they don't understand something. So maybe we shouldn't treat them like they're idiots? Maybe?

Whatever... sorry not everyone has such a clear understanding of everything as you so obviously do.

I don't think I'm acting as if I'm smarter than everyone else....BUT...it doesn't take a university diploma to read the rules and understand what can and can't be done. I've never treated anybody like they're idiots, quite the contrary I treat them like adults and expect them to be able to read simple guidelines clearly stated, so I don't know what you're referring to but in any case if you have any grievance with me personally I'd like for you to take them to PMs instead of here. I want to keep the place clean from pestering and name calling as much as possible and it seems to me you're this close to resort to it.
 
I have not called anyone any names and don't intend to. I wanted to make it clear to all the authors who might be reading this forum that not all the editors on the site are as harsh as you seem to be. If someone... especially someone who is new to the site... has a question, I feel it should be answered calmly and kindly. I personally feel it's wrong to imply they're stupid, childish and whatever else you might think. They're not stupid. They can read. They are adults. And if you'll look for yourself, you'll see that someone else posted on the thread and heartily disagreed with what you said regarding the rule. So it's obviously not as cut and dry as you make it sound. That's all.
 
As my mother used to say, "Children, children. If you can't play nicely together, play separately."
 
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