Scumbag Stupidity

R. Richard

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If you're a 14-year-old kid in English class, you can flunk if you don't understand the difference between 'and' and 'or'. However, if you're a scumbag, with or without a law degree, it's argued that the same terms shouldn't apply. The state of learning in New York is appalling. Comment?

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Talk about cunning linguists!

Two curvy lap dancers are trying to wiggle out of prostitution charges on a tiny but important grammatical technicality -- prosecutors accidentally used the word "and" instead of "or" in writing up the charges.

The one- word difference is enough to toss the case com pletely, argue porn star Alexia Moore and co-de fendant topless dancer Falynn Rodriguez -- who are both on trial for mis demeanor prostitu tion. A Manhattan judge promises today to unravel the tricky semantic gaffe, which yesterday brought the unusual and barely-begun trial to a skidding halt.

Instead of finishing opening statements, lawyers for the two shapely entertainers wound up schooling prosecutors on the difference between the conjunctive and the disjunctive in legal writing.

The purportedly glitchy grammar in the charges against the pair alleges that they "did engage, offer and agree" to acts of prostitution with an undercover officer at Big Daddy Lou's Hot Lap Dance Club on West 38th Street in July 2008.

That differs from the wording in the state penal code, which specifies "engage, offer or agree," the gals argue.

In fact, nobody has ever accused the two of engaging in actual sex with the cop -- only of offering the cop a never-consummated threesome for $5,000. By using the words "and," prosecutors lock themselves into proving that sex actually happened, defense lawyers insist.

"Things have to be done correctly," said Rodriguez's attorney Adam Moser. "They have to prove each element of the charge."

"Hey, listen," agreed Moore lawyer Salvatore Strazzullo. "We live in America, right?"

The impromptu stripper tutorial left trial prosecutors Tami Alpert and Daryl Reed scrambling for case law to prove the error doesn't kill the case, and that they could instead merely correct the wording.

Manhattan Criminal Court Judge ShawnDya Simpson said she will research the matter and render a decision at 11 this morning.

The case was unusual even before this apparent snafu. Virtually all misdemeanor prostitution cases "go away" on simple no-jail pleas to disorderly conduct.

But Moore and Rodriguez insist that they're not that kind of stripper, and they are risking as much as a 90-day jail sentence to go to trial so they can clear their names.

Prosecutors have already offered a no-jail deal -- but only if they incriminate their former boss, Louis Posner, the strippers say.

Asked yesterday if he hired his dancers based on their grammatical skills, Posner broke into a belly-laugh and declined comment.
 
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What am I having for lunch?

Tomato soup and a cheese sandwich.

Carolyn
 
The strippers are charged with violating a specific state law. The fact that the law is misquoted in a court document does not change the text of the statute.
 
But is does actually change the charge. As the story says the prosecution would have to now prove they had sex with the Cop.

The 'or' changes the charge completely from:

"engaged in sex and offered to engage in sex and agreed to engage in sex," (doing it)

"engaged in sex or offered to engage in sex or agreed to engage in sex," (not doing it, just offering to do it)

big difference in charges.
 
after tuesday even the calender says WTF....... hahaha.. i kno its catchy... i m not good at this but am still trying to improve.....
 
The strippers are charged with violating a specific state law. The fact that the law is misquoted in a court document does not change the text of the statute.

The text of the statute remains the same. HOWEVER, the statute is not what they're being charged with. Neither are they being charge with violating a specific state law. What they're being charged with is a mis-statement of a specific state law. They're not guilty of what they're being charged with.

Now, the scumbags are trying to state, "Don't pay attention to what we wrote, instead pay attention to what we meant." What the scumbags meant isn't relevant to the matter, just what the scumbag(s) wrote.
 
What am I having for lunch?

Tomato soup and a cheese sandwich.

Carolyn

Let me guess. What you meant to say is, "My luncheon menu includes tomato soup and a cheese sandwich." What you said is, "I'm gonna dip my cheese sandwich in my 'tamata' soup and finish the last of the cheese sandwich just as I finish sopping up the last of the 'tamata' soup."
 
The text of the statute remains the same. HOWEVER, the statute is not what they're being charged with. Neither are they being charge with violating a specific state law. What they're being charged with is a mis-statement of a specific state law. They're not guilty of what they're being charged with.

Now, the scumbags are trying to state, "Don't pay attention to what we wrote, instead pay attention to what we meant." What the scumbags meant isn't relevant to the matter, just what the scumbag(s) wrote.

It's a subtle point, but they are charged with violating the law, not failing to comply with something typed by a prosecutor's secretary. Somewhere in those long sheets of paper is a specific statute number. Prosecutor's do not write laws.

Errors in the written charges can effect the trial. If the defendants are not correctly named, or the place the crime is alleged have taken place is incorrect, their lawyers would have a very strong objection. In this case, misquoting to law does not change the particulars of the crime or the law.
 
It's a subtle point, but they are charged with violating the law, not failing to comply with something typed by a prosecutor's secretary. Somewhere in those long sheets of paper is a specific statute number. Prosecutor's do not write laws.
Another subtle point is that the charges are typed by the prosecutor. A secretary may have pressed the keys, but the prosecutor is responsible for the typing. If it were just a matter of a statute, the prosecutor could just reference the entire criminal code. Specifics are important.

Errors in the written charges can effect the trial. If the defendants are not correctly named, or the place the crime is alleged have taken place is incorrect, their lawyers would have a very strong objection. In this case, misquoting to law does not change the particulars of the crime or the law.
I haven't seen the complaint. However, the defendents now have two different charges against them. If the prosecutor wants to pick one charge, I, the defense attorney want to pick the other charge. If the defendant's have a decent lawyer, they should easily prevail, at least at appeal.
 
Another subtle point is that the charges are typed by the prosecutor. A secretary may have pressed the keys, but the prosecutor is responsible for the typing. If it were just a matter of a statute, the prosecutor could just reference the entire criminal code. Specifics are important.


I haven't seen the complaint. However, the defendents now have two different charges against them. If the prosecutor wants to pick one charge, I, the defense attorney want to pick the other charge. If the defendant's have a decent lawyer, they should easily prevail, at least at appeal.

If a person's actions could violate more than one statute, then the prosecutor has a lot of leeway as to which charge to press.

Defense attorneys do not have that privilege.

"Excuse me, Your Honor. My client would like to be charged with simple assault, rather that aggravated assault, if you wouldn't mind."
 
Try the chamomile tea. If that doesn't work change the label so it say cortisone. See if it doesn't matter how it's spelled then it won't matter what you use. ;)
 
If a person's actions could violate more than one statute, then the prosecutor has a lot of leeway as to which charge to press.

Defense attorneys do not have that privilege.

"Excuse me, Your Honor. My client would like to be charged with simple assault, rather that aggravated assault, if you wouldn't mind."

However, if a person's ALLEGED actions violate a statute and the proseution charges said person with violation of another statute, or a non-statute, then the prosecution has no case. Trust me, I've been there.
 
I hope they get off. For one thing, they were probably entrapped. For another thing, getting paid for sex should be no more against the law than being paid for cutting somebody's hair. :(

Besides that, I like seeing members of the establishment made to look incompetent. I'm a rebel at heart.
 
However, if a person's ALLEGED actions violate a statute and the proseution charges said person with violation of another statute, or a non-statute, then the prosecution has no case. Trust me, I've been there.

You do seem to have issues with the legal system.
 
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