Science Prepares To "Fire Up" the Large Hadron Collider: Investigating the "Big Bang"

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Science Prepares To "Fire Up" the Large Hadron Collider: Investigating the "Big Bang"


If you've seen reports of the construction of CERN's gigantic particle accelerator near Geneva, this should prove to be one very big tool in the arsenal of scientific inquiry. On the other hand, if it suddenly gets very dark tomorrow, you feel extraordinarily heavy and the earth disappears, you'll know what's going on. ;)



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Scientists to Probe Beginning of Time, Big Bang's Missing Mass
By Warren Giles

Sept. 9-- Scientists tomorrow will take a step closer to understanding the beginning of time when the European Organization for Nuclear Research powers up the world's biggest magnetic loop in the search for the universe's missing matter.

Particle physicists on the outskirts of Geneva are trying to find out what most of the universe is made of, and where it is, because most of the matter created in the ``Big Bang'' 13.7 billion years ago has disappeared. Adding up all the stars, planets, and black holes in the universe only accounts for about 4 percent of all the mass created when time began.

After a decade of work, physicists will fire the first particles around a 27-kilometer (16 mile) long magnetic loop buried 100 meters (328 feet) under ground in a tunnel large enough for subway trains through an environment colder than outer space.

As the particles lap at close to the speed of light some will collide, triggering new particles that may also help scientists understand why the expansion of the universe is accelerating instead of slowing as predicted by theory.

``We may find a whole new family of particles that might account for the missing mass, the `dark matter' that we know must be there,'' says David Evans, a scientist who helped to build some of the electronic equipment that have one-billionth of a second to spot a collision. ``One way or another, there's a 100 percent chance we will find something new to physics.''

The unknown outcome has prompted a challenge at the European Court of Human Rights by chemist Otto Roessler, of the University of Tuebingen in Germany, to try to stop the experiment, claiming the event will create a black hole that will destroy the planet.

The CERN complex, overlooked by the Jura mountains which rise to 1,720 meters, is where one of CERN's alumni, Tim Berners- Lee, invented the first World Wide Web browser in 1989 to help physicists all over the globe better swap notes. CERN is the French acronym for the nuclear research organization.

While the spin-offs for technologies used in the 6 billion Swiss franc ($5.3 billion) ``Large Hadron Collider'' experiments may not be immediately obvious, applications from other particle physics research include three-dimensional hospital scanners and non-invasive surgery, which will improve as a result of CERN's work, says Evans.

One of CERN'S problems in generating an environment that resembles conditions one thousandth of a millionth of a second after the start of time, and the creation of all the universe's building material, is the volume of data generated by the observations.

Within a year the particle accelerator's four experiments, one of which involves equipment weighing 7,000 metric tons or the equivalent of a subterranean Eiffel Tower, will have spewed enough data to fill a pile of compact discs 12 miles high.

Some of the material that the physicists may find is labeled ``dark energy,'' and may help explain why ``something is still driving the expansion of the universe, but at the moment we have no idea what it is,'' says Evans, who dismisses the risk of earth being swallowed by a black hole.

``Nature already produces far higher-powered particle accelerations and the earth would already have been destroyed if that were possible,'' says Evans. The experiments are ``a once- in-a-lifetime experience, 10-times more powerful than anything anyone has ever built and the first time we know for sure that something new and exciting is going to happen.''
 

If you've seen reports of the construction of CERN's gigantic particle accelerator near Geneva, this should prove to be one very big tool in the arsenal of scientific inquiry. On the other hand, if it suddenly gets very dark tomorrow, you feel extraordinarily heavy and the earth disappears, you'll know what's going on. ;)



Last night I heard an interview with Dr. Walter Wagner, the other physicist who's trying to prevent the LHC from starting. But even he had to admit that the odds of it creating a black hole or strangelet are very slim, and even if that does happen (and it doesn't evaporate instantly) it will be decades or even hundreds of years before it poses a threat to Earth. At least I won't be around to see it. He also said that it won't be till next year sometime when these experiments really begin -- not tomorrow.
 
Every time I see the title of this thread I switch the "d" and the "r" and end up with "Science prepares to 'Fire up' the Large Hardon Collider."

Is it me or just that I'm more used to seeing titles like that on this site? :devil:
 
Every time I see the title of this thread I switch the "d" and the "r" and end up with "Science prepares to 'Fire up' the Large Hardon Collider."

Is it me or just that I'm more used to seeing titles like that on this site? :devil:

HAHAHA! You may have just stumbled upon the beginning of a Sci-Fi & Fantasy story. :D
 
just started reading an article in a german newspaper, that compares the way the media reports about that thing with porn (bigger! faster! hotter!), and calls the whole thing with "scientific porn"...
 
Every time I see the title of this thread I switch the "d" and the "r" and end up with "Science prepares to 'Fire up' the Large Hardon Collider."

Is it me or just that I'm more used to seeing titles like that on this site? :devil:

I don't know if you were the one to point this out last week, but I had been reading it as Hardon until it was pointed out that it wasn't. I then had to take a second look, and a third, to confirm that I was indeed, reading it incorrectly.
 
just started reading an article in a german newspaper, that compares the way the media reports about that thing with porn (bigger! faster! hotter!), and calls the whole thing with "scientific porn"...

It is.

I'm a total science geek and I haven't been this wet since I first learned about cosmic inflation.
 
I don't know if you were the one to point this out last week, but I had been reading it as Hardon until it was pointed out that it wasn't. I then had to take a second look, and a third, to confirm that I was indeed, reading it incorrectly.
LOL! I doubt I'd be the one to point that out. I'm always reading things wrong...right ThreeGoatPig? ;)
 
It is.

I'm a total science geek and I haven't been this wet since I first learned about cosmic inflation.

hehe... so i guess all research and scientific progress is really just a good way to get off?
 
Every time I see the title of this thread I switch the "d" and the "r" and end up with "Science prepares to 'Fire up' the Large Hardon Collider."


*shudders* at the idea and the image it conjurs.


 
Every time I see the title of this thread I switch the "d" and the "r" and end up with "Science prepares to 'Fire up' the Large Hardon Collider."

Is it me or just that I'm more used to seeing titles like that on this site? :devil:

That thread is on the GB.

Gotta run or I'd link it.
 
If you don't believe in evolution the Large Hadron Collider must seem like nonsense - trying to create an understanding of the universe just after God created it as a complete whole.

So you wouldn't be afraid that the world might be destroyed.

You're waiting for "The Rapture"

What the Large Hadron Collider might replicate are particles that are already hitting our Earth's atmosphere millions of times a day. Those particles haven't destroyed us yet so why should they now? Even the Carbon Dioxide emissions into the atmosphere aren't potent enough to protect us from everything.

See you after the miniscule replication of AFTER the Big Bang.

As it is, as King Og, I've been around since before the Christian Fundamentalists consider the world was created. I was here before the Flood and I'm still here now. If Noah's flood couldn't finish me off, no Swiss doughnut no matter how large is going to get rid of me.

Og
 
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What the Large Hadron Collider might replicate are particles that are already hitting our Earth's atmosphere millions of times a day. Those particles haven't destroyed us yet so why should they now? Even the Carbon Dioxide emissions into the atmosphere aren't potent enough to protect us from everything.

Og

The difference though, according to those who oppose the collider is that it might be creating stationary black holes. When particles collide in our atmosphere they're traveling at, or close to, the speed of light and pass through the earth in 1/4 of a second and out into space -- harming nothing. Stationary black holes won't do this, the critics say. What would make them harmless though is Hawking Radiation.
 
Can't be any worse than Y2K can it?
 
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If you don't believe in evolution the Large Hadron Collider must seem like nonsense - trying to create an understanding of the universe just after God created it as a complete whole.

So you wouldn't be afraid that the world might be destroyed.

You're waiting for "The Rapture"

What the Large Hadron Collider might replicate are particles that are already hitting our Earth's atmosphere millions of times a day. Those particles haven't destroyed us yet so why should they now? Even the Carbon Dioxide emissions into the atmosphere aren't potent enough to protect us from everything.

See you after the miniscule replication of AFTER the Big Bang.

As it is, as King Og, I've been around since before the Christian Fundamentalists consider the world was created. I was here before the Flood and I'm still here now. If Noah's flood couldn't finish me off, no Swiss doughnut no matter how large is going to get rid of me.

Og

Og, you are SO awesome. I may have to send this statement (minus the Og bit at the end) to a few people - with credit of course.
 
The difference though, according to those who oppose the collider is that it might be creating stationary black holes. When particles collide in our atmosphere they're traveling at, or close to, the speed of light and pass through the earth in 1/4 of a second and out into space -- harming nothing. Stationary black holes won't do this, the critics say. What would make them harmless though is Hawking Radiation.

And of course Hawking Radiation's existence remains an unproved mathematical constuct for the moment.:)
 
I hope they don't blow up the world. I hope it's quick and painless if they do.


ETA - just saw TE's post and apparently I can roll over and go back to sleep.
 
Although it was started today, it will be days or weeks before anything interesting begins to happen and then another long time before what is happening/has happened can be analysed.

The computing power being developed to assess the results is awesome.

Og

PS. Armageddon isn't yet. At worst Gabriel has just taken his trumpet out of its case and started to polish it.
 
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