Saudi Wahhabis

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According to 18th century records, the Ottoman empire - Islam's ruling power - had not flogged, imprisoned, or passed the death sentence on adulterers for nearly 400 years. Under the kanun - secular Ottoman imperial law - the highest punishment for adultery had been a fine. The traditionalist Ottoman jurists had relied on the Quran's "four witnesses" rule, which had made proving adultery virtually impossible.

Along came a self-professed Islamic reformer named Abdul Wahhab. He was trained classically but attracted to Ibn Taymiya - who 400 years earlier had broken away from Sunni traditionalism. Wahhab said that procuring a confession was enough to stone someone to death and proceeded to do so.

At the time, the Ottoman sultan, backed by a class of traditionalist jurists in Istanbul, was considered the equivalent of the Muslim pope - "the shadow of God on earth". Wahhab (just like Luther in Germany) accused the religious elite of materialism, corruption and decadence, and rejected the "tradition-based" approach to Islam. He then found political protection under a rebel leader named Ibn Saud and instituted further "reforms" - which linked up nicely with Ibn Saud's expansionist agenda. Ibn Taymiya, who had once accused the ruling Muslim kings of hypocrisy in order to justify rebellion against them, guided Wahhab and Ibn Saud through the course of their rebellion. It was eventually put down militarily, but not theologically.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/sep/28/theislamicreformation
 
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Forgot to add link which expands and explains far more. Point is Wahhabis are the primarily dangerous ones. Bin Laden was a Wahhabis. Probably find that Daesh is too.

Saudi Arabia should not be sold arms. By the US or Canada. 2000 people employed at LAV plant here in London. Selling a shyte load to the Saudis. Not right.
 
I sold a bunch of stuff to a guy in Riyadh once. It was a pain in the ass.
 
Forgot to add link which expands and explains far more. Point is Wahhabis are the primarily dangerous ones.
Yup. Or at least the dangerous ideology behind most of the crap. It's not as useful a marker for determining who might be an ISIS fighter or an al Quaeda terrorist. The ideolouges are not the foot soldiers. That's what brainwashing poor, desperate shmucks is for.

Bin Laden was a Wahhabis. Probably find that Daesh is too.
Daesh have shared origins in wahabism and the salafi jihadist movement. But mainstream wahabis see them as a bunch of savages. A pretty universal sentiment in the muslim world actually. Even al Quaeda think they are a bit much.

Saudi Arabia should not be sold arms. By the US or Canada. 2000 people employed at LAV plant here in London. Selling a shyte load to the Saudis. Not right.
Haven't you heard? They're our 'allies'. For some rea$on.
 
Only allies because of oil and US hatred of Iran. Support Arabia to ensure the Persians don't win.
 
IMO, no! Stand on principles. Evil must be fought not collaborated with or tolerated because there is profit in it.

" Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorious." Sun-tzu

Saudi Arabia is Canada's largest trade partner among the nine countries of the Arabian Peninsula, totalling more than $2,000,000,000 in trade in 2005...

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" Know your enemy and know yourself and you will always be victorious." Sun-tzu

Saudi Arabia is Canada's largest trade partner among the nine countries of the Arabian Peninsula, totalling more than $2,000,000,000 in trade in 2005...

:)

2000 people are employed making LAVs for sale to Saudi Arabia here in London. I have not submitted a resume to them. Probably only place in town I haven't. Very lucrative job. But would compromise my principles a bit too much. I worked for Dow Chemical that was enough compromising for me. Wouldn't do it again though. Or hope I would be strong enough to resist that nice fat paycheck.

Saudi Arabia will be everybody's biggest partner in Arab peninsula.
 
I met some iranian immigrants who - interestingly, since they were muslims - had nothing but bad things to say about Islam. And they pointed out to some interesting historical facts about Iran.
But iranians do tend to take offence if you lump them together with other people from the Middle East.



"Historically, Proto-Iranian religion and the subsequent Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism were the dominant religions in Iran, particularly during the Median, Achaemenid, Parthian and Sassanid empires. This changed after the fall of the Sassanid Empire by the Muslim Conquest of Iran."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
 
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