Saudi Arabia - the real Enemy of America

[NeverEndingMe]

we must stop them and that obama

 

[hashtag45]

Btw:
I was always curious what came of former FBI agent John Guandolo's claims that Bandar (Saudi Arabia ambassador at the time) had some ties to 9/11.
I only know that the lawsuit brought by some of the families of the deceased re the involvement of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 was dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence.

In saying that, I always was a sucker for conspiracy theories, no matter how outlandish.

 

[Rachel_X]

America has plenty of enemies in the middle east, yet you want to attack a long term ally... Makes sense.

 

[hashtag45]

America has plenty of enemies in the middle east, yet you want to attack a long term ally... Makes sense.

Oops… I live in Australia I don't have that much of a clue about US politics or history (other than what I hear on youtube - Howard Zinn etal but also the usual crap. ).

Can you pls. say a bit more? That sounds like an interesting topic.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

we must stop them and that obama

That is completely correct and there are many people within both the US Intelligence Agencies as well as the FBI and highest levels of government who know and realize the problems with Saudi Arabia. They are completely out of control and are run by megalomaniacal madmen with too much money and paranoid self-interest and world domination agendas. And that's a fact. Saudi Arabia did 9/11 with the help of traitors inside the US Government itself. Obama is and always has been a puppet of Arabian oil money and oil interests and the Big Five accountancy firms, who are all dependent on ME oil wealth to exist these days.

This wider group - oil money, accountancy cartels, weapons manufacturers, banking interests - are extremely sinister and have absolutely no scruples at all. And, they have virtually no borders across races and nationstates; there are as many Iranians in it as there are Iraqis and Jewish people! They fake that things are about races and religions and countries - it's just about money and power and absolute domination. They lie, cheat, and steal to get their way. Nothing is beneath them. There are judges fully corrupted by the money and the favours and especially the sexual skeletons.

 

[Rachel_X]

Oops… I live in Australia I don't have that much of a clue about US politics or history (other than what I hear on youtube - Howard Zinn etal but also the usual crap. ).

Can you pls. say a bit more? That sounds like an interesting topic.

In the Arab and Muslim worlds, Saudi Arabia is considered to be pro-Western and pro-American, and it is certainly a long-term ally of the United States.
US troops have also been stationed in Saudi Arabia since 1991.
Not only that, a lot of their technological and defensive imports come from the US, UK and Canada.
They also supply a lot of that precious oil to the US and other parts of the world.
The United States sold more than $80 billion in military hardware between 1951 and 2006 to the Saudi military. Then in 2010 Congress announced that they would be selling a further $60.5 billion worth of arms to Saudi Arabia.
They also continually try to broker peace deals between Israel and the Palestinians.

Basically Saudi Arabia is a country that just wants to get along with the rest of the world but they're surrounded by extremists.

 

[Rachel_X]

That is completely correct and there are many people within both the US Intelligence Agencies as well as the FBI and highest levels of government who know and realize the problems with Saudi Arabia. They are completely out of control and are run by megalomaniacal madmen with too much money and paranoid self-interest and world domination agendas. And that's a fact. Saudi Arabia did 9/11 with the help of traitors inside the US Government itself. Obama is and always has been a puppet of Arabian oil money and oil interests and the Big Five accountancy firms, who are all dependent on ME oil wealth to exist these days.

This wider group - oil money, accountancy cartels, weapons manufacturers, banking interests - are extremely sinister and have absolutely no scruples at all. And, they have virtually no borders across races and nationstates; there are as many Iranians in it as there are Iraqis and Jewish people! They fake that things are about races and religions and countries - it's just about money and power and absolute domination. They lie, cheat, and steal to get their way. Nothing is beneath them. There are judges fully corrupted by the money and the favours and especially the sexual skeletons.

Some of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean that the king had anything to do with it.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Who do you mean - Salman, or Abdullah? Or Fahd? Because Fahd was the king back then.

But let me see, do I think THIS current king had nothing to do with it at all...

Errrrr. Nup. He had a lot to do with it! In fact, from my information, he poisoned Abdullah personally! Salman is a right nutcase.

 

[Rachel_X]

Who do you mean - Salman, or Abdullah? Because Abdullah was the king back then.

But let me see, do I think THIS current king had nothing to do with it at all...

Errrrr. Nup. He had a lot to do with it! In fact, from my information, he poisoned Abdullah personally! Salman is a right nutcase.

I don't see how family members possibly poisoning each other proves 9/11 was a conspiracy.
If it was and Abdullah was in on it the surely it's good he was poisoned?

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Correction Fahd was king but he was dying and literally on his deathbed/s in Germany and Switzerland. Abdullah was the power behind the throne in 2001.

I gotta tell you the whole story is SO complex that there is almost no way I can give you a proper insight into what really went on here.

I'm not sure who you are or what sort of person - young, old, very educated, ordinarily educated...

Saudi Arabia is in a joint venture with the US via a process called ARAMCO. ARAMCO is not a company - it is an international sovereign agreement whereby OPEX provides raw crude and the US and US companies EXCLUSIVELY OR VIA EXCLUSIVE SUB-CONTRACT ARRANGEMENTS, provide the refining technology. Whereas moneys coming to the US and its companies can and are subject to Congressional Audit, moneys into Saudi Arabia are entirely opaque.

'Black budget' operations that require substantial funding and diplomatic cover come through Saudi Arabia, on behalf of the military equipment and weapons industry centered in US foreign policy ideology. And this included the Nugan-Hand Bank (a revealed CIA front operation) and its venture partner and subsequent follow-on bank, BCCI, in which the Muhammad bin Uthman clan had a major shareholding. There is no such person as 'Osama bin Laden.' But there are several people from the Uthman family who are involved with US-based construction and engineering firms, including International Hotel chain owned by Tisch Properties - one of which formed the 'trojan horse' identity around which the CIA 'legend' 'Osama bin Laden' was draped.

Nobody can sell refined oil, nor can they ship raw crude anywhere worldwide without an ARAMCO allocated number which is sanctioned by the United Nations. And so, any 'story' for instance, that ISIS sells or ships oil - were it to be real - implicates both the United States as well as Saudi Arabia in a criminal conspiracy.

There is only one exception to this, namely, Russian refineries who are NOT part of the ARAMCO system. And they certrainly do not sell or buy or ship oil from ISIS.

Saudi Arabia objected to Saddam Hussein providing an alternative Sunni leadership from the Wahabi Saudis - and they conspired to have him murdered and to overrun Iraq. And this was the same with Libya.

Saudi Arabia is running the foreign policy of Britain and the United States, in the sense that it is a major part of the weapons and oil cartel worldwide and is at least AS responsible as the other members who planned the present state of affairs of the world - which is, total insanity in the Muslim world, strategies against Shi'ites worldwide, strategies to destroy and take over Syria, and strategies to create sufficient havoc in the Euro-Zone to cause massive further funding of NATO, which has no legitimate reason to exist after the Cold War.

 

[Rachel_X]

If the Saudis were so against Saddam, why did they refuse to take part in the invasion of Iraq in 2003?

I mean politics is always going to be complicated and involve some nut jobs and dodgy characters, especially when big money is involved. So I'm not saying that there isn't some kind of conspiracy going on. I just don't think it goes all the way to the top.
It's more likely some mid-level grunt decided to turn a blind eye or make a deal in exchange for enough cash to buy a boat.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

And let's face some more recent facts here. Saudi Arabia used chemical wepaons and US-made and illegal cluster munitions on civilians in the recent Yemen war. This is a war crime and I suppose it all got to a point where even John Kerry had to stick his foot down and tell Salman to fucking pull his stupid head in.

At the end of the day, this guy is a nutjob who is bizarre and totally dangerous to the Western World and in particular to the USA. And so are a large proportion of the so-called Saudi 'princes.' not all, but A LOT of them.

They've got to go.

Did 'they' do 9/11? You don't know the half of it and I can't tell you here. But 1. you cannot trust them. 2. they are lunatics 3. Salman is a heroin addict apart from a few other 'addictions' that you don't want to know about.

 

[Rachel_X]

And let's face some more recent facts here. Saudi Arabia used chemical wepaons and US-made and illegal cluster munitions on civilians in the recent Yemen war. This is a war crime and I suppose it all got to a point where even John Kerry had to stick his foot down and tell Salman to fucking pull his stupid head in.

At the end of the day, this guy is a nutjob who is bizarre and totally dangerous to the Western World and in particular to the USA. And so are a large proportion of the so-called Saudi 'princes.' not all, but A LOT of them.

They've got to go.

Did 'they' do 9/11? You don't know the half of it and I can't tell you here. But 1. you cannot trust them. 2. they are lunatics 3. Salman is a heroin addict apart from a few other 'addictions' that you don't want to know about.

I trust very few people anyway, so number one is a no brainer.

 

[WalksOnWater]

His Will, not ours

Basically Saudi Arabia is a country that just wants to get along with the rest of the world but they're surrounded by extremists.

Baloney.

Two "extremists", local community activist Muhammad bin Saud and local preacher man Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, joined together to conquer Arabia by absolute force; all in the name of Allah and His Will, of course (even though, after so violently subduing Arabia to their gnostic will, the land was christened Saud's and his family's to lord over forever - at least until the next gnostic wannabes rise up and dethrone them).

The Sunni Wahhabis of the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia and the Shia Twelvers of the Islamic Republic of Iran are the world's two fountainheads of violent - deadly - jihadi activism ; to even fantasize either is somehow anything less because of their surroundings instead of their ideological cores is nothing but pure ridiculousness.

[WARNING:...begin Sermon to The Church of Gnosticism (The World of Unbelief):]

Saud and Wahhab's conquering strategy of violent force was itself no different than the founder of Islam's, and it's the same basic gnostic strategy (naturally with the same gnostic deformities) the Catholic Church infamously conducted once it was tyrannically proclaimed as the Roman empire's own heaven on earth mouthpiece (by force, of course).

"Christianity" was the "religion" Emperor Constantine saw - like Muhammed - in his own night vision, then he proclaimed it as his state's own vision, and his new Catholic Church was the place to worship and obey Rome's new religion, and from which to dictate its gnostic will in the name of God's.

Constantine's gnostic Christianity and Muhammad's gnostic Islam were literally born by the same gnostic sword of death on different gnostic battlefields of blood.

Now, compare those gnostics' forces of violent oppression and death to enable and enforce their tyrannical "religious" rule...

...to God's free, individual will choice offer of eternal Love and Peace in fellowship with Him.

A birthmark of any gnostic (Jew, Christian, Roman, Muslim, Puritan, Progressive, Conservative, Modernist, Nazi, Communist, Socialist, Fascist, etc, etc, etc) is the forceful championing of any of their different flavors of "will" to create their own visions of making earth a better place, to establish - always by force (whether by penalty, exclusion or violence) - their own "religion's" view of heaven on earth.

A believer, a child of God, still simply trods in the footsteps of the other followers before him ever since John the Baptist introduced this dying world to its Savior, fully understanding, as the crucified Christ set the supreme example, that God's Will be done on earth as it is in heaven at God's desire - not any man's - and that the only battle we have to fight, to jihad, is the one that'll spiritually rage within us as long as we live on earth, just as it raged within the Nazarene in the garden the night before, when he bled literal tears of anguish struggling with his human will compared to what He knew to be God's.

God's Will was for His Son to be His Gospel; His Son's Will was to obey God's and Be It.

Remember what happened immediately after the Nazarene won that Full Victory over the resisting human gnosticism within him?

When the gnostic Pharisees and Sadducees, led to the garden by the gnostic Judas, took the now-fully-submissive-to-God's Will Nazarene into custody, the gnostic disciple Peter instinctively reacted according to his gnostic will (no doubt naively thinking he was doing God's Will by protecting His Son) and attacked one of the Sadducees with his own sword of death - slicing-off the guy's ear in doing so.

The Son of God - the very Spirit of God in human flesh - immediately stopped Peter, instantly and completely healed the guy's ear, and allowed himself to be peacefully taken into custody, fully understanding (as no one else could) what would come the morrow.

For the next 300+ years, followers of the Nazarene - who the secular folks of Antioch (Syria) would tag with a name Greek languagers would eventually express as a term English languagers would then express as "christians" (followers of the Christ) - would themselves submit their wills to their God's Will by simply obeying His commission to them: preach and live His Gospel to the corners of the earth.

They formed no collective that employed any kind of force against their fellow man; they waged war against no one; they spilled no other's blood. They preached the Love of God to all who would listen and in doing so, by obeying God's Will, the gnostic force of man within themselves gracefully faded away.

Hallelujah.

It is written that of the 11 original disciples living after Judas committed suicide and the Nazarene was crucified, 10 of them were put to gnostic death for no other reason than refusing to deny the Christ, the Spirit of God within them. As innocent as an unborn baby is today, they - nevertheless - were cold-bloodedly murdered, too.

The ONLY blood shed in the name of God's Love was shed for us all, once and for all, on the Cross by His Son. Any other blood shed by the hand of man is purely gnostic by nature, rooted by hate and death, not love - just as it was before He came, just as it was since Cain...

Before the pre-Christ pagans, gnosticism's natural way of hate and death reigned supreme: whomever's "will" wielded the most violent force was "god" to all others, and all "society" grew only from and by the dictates of those gnostic gods.

Then this Plato dude came along telling his gnostic world about some other dude named Socrates, and all of a sudden the concepts of a higher power, morals, and the human soul came into serious play, igniting western enlightenment simply by the very Truth of its Reason.

Which, of course, served to begin totally - NATURALLY - de-divinizing the tyrannical charade the gnostics gods had so forcefully created and enforced with their violence and death.

The Truthful balance of natural power was being calibrated...

And then the Mediator of Truth Himself arrived in the flesh and the world was blessed to witness the Perfect Union of the soul and society, the unalienable liberty of the individual and the common good of the collective. The message was clear: without God, there can be no True Peace on earth.

I maintain this (because the Bible tells me so): that all men are born sinful (gnostic < that's me, not the Bible), and they remain fully so until they are born again and the Holy Spirit - the Spirt of God Himself - comes to abide within them as their Teacher, their Friend, and their Guide for the remainder of their lives here in this gnostic world.

That believer, a new creature called a child of God, then begins his spiritual (daimonion) journey Plato tagged metaxy sophias kai amathias, between knowledge and ignorance; between the absolute ignorance of the gnositc man he was and the Absolute Knowledge of God he is promised. That child of God is thus commissioned to do God's Will - preach and live the Gospel - and the remainder of his journey here on earth will be as rich as much as he obeys his commission.

The Gospel, the good news, is simple, yet almost universally despised in this world full of gnostics:

We are all sinners (gnostics).
The wage of sin (gnosticism) is death.
There is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of holy, innocent blood.
The Innocent Lamb of God is our Savior.
He died on the Cross, shedding every drop of His holy, innocent blood to completely cover our sins (gnosticism).
He was buried humanly (gnostically) dead to this sinful (gnostic) life in a tomb.
He Spiritually and wholly defeated this sinful (gnostic) life's most powerful force - death - and rose again simply so that all who believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life in loving fellowship with the Governor of Absolute Peace.

Amen.

That is so-called christianity - PERIOD. There is no force about it, there is no violence to it, there is no more blood to be shed because God became man to shed His all for all of us. Victory over death has been won; He is risen.

It has also been written that there are only two paths that all humans may choose from, and that the path of LIFE must be consciously chosen, we must opt-in to it because the default path of this gnostic world is nothing but DEATH.

He created us to lovingly fellowship with, just as He created us with the free choice to love Him back.

Give onto the gnostics what is the gnostic's (DEATH), and give onto God what is His (YOU).



Was that the GB's first altar call?

 

[Rachel_X]

Blah blah blah, wall of text.
I don't see what any of that has to do with the thread topic.

 

[FGB]

America has plenty of enemies in the middle east, yet you want to attack a long term ally... Makes sense.

Try some internet radio stations (they are free) and you can tune in on many countries.

 

[WalksOnWater]

Blah blah blah, wall of text.
I don't see what any of that has to do with the thread topic.

You "don't see"? Really?

Here, allow me to quote you again...

Basically Saudi Arabia is a country that just wants to get along with the rest of the world but they're surrounded by extremists.

...and then repost myself directly replying to that ridiculousness:

Baloney.

Two "extremists", local community activist Muhammad bin Saud and local preacher man Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, joined together to conquer Arabia by absolute force; all in the name of Allah and His Will, of course (even though, after so violently subduing Arabia to their gnostic will, the land was christened Saud's and his family's to lord over forever - at least until the next gnostic wannabes rise up and dethrone them).

The Sunni Wahhabis of the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia and the Shia Twelvers of the Islamic Republic of Iran are the world's two fountainheads of violent - deadly - jihadi activism ; to even fantasize either is somehow anything less because of their surroundings instead of their ideological cores is nothing but pure ridiculousness.

Can you see it now?

 

[Rachel_X]

You "don't see"? Really?

Here, allow me to quote you again...



...and then repost myself directly replying to that ridiculousness:



Can you see it now?

No. Ancient history has nothing to do with modern politics.

 

[smartjuanxxx]

No. Ancient history has nothing to do with modern politics.

sure it does

ancient history is why MUSLIMS call Spain occupied

and

ancient history is what NIGGER MUSLIM OBAMA blamed on MUSLIM TERROR TODAY

 

[WalksOnWater]

No. Ancient history has nothing to do with modern politics.

Thank you for clearly exposing yourself as arrogantly and joyfully ignorant of both.

 

[smartjuanxxx]

No. Ancient history has nothing to do with modern politics.

LUNATIC

 

[Rachel_X]

Thank you for clearly exposing yourself as arrogantly and joyfully ignorant of both.

And yet I'm the only person here that has posted facts to prove my point.
If Saudi Arabia and the US are enemies, why do they have huge trade deals? Why do their troops train together? Why does the former allow the latter to have a base on their soil?

Just because once upon a time the country was run by genocidal maniacs doesn't mean that's the case today.
Just because a few people in a country hate America doesn't mean the other 99.9% are enemies. If that were the case then the US would have no friends at all.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Jen would be a superstar in the emerging Idiocracy...



She's the real enemy of America.

 

[smartjuanxxx]

And yet I'm the only person here that has posted facts to prove my point.
If Saudi Arabia and the US are enemies, why do they have huge trade deals? Why do their troops train together? Why does the former allow the latter to have a base on their soil?

Just because once upon a time the country was run by genocidal maniacs doesn't mean that's the case today.
Just because a few people in a country hate America doesn't mean the other 99.9% are enemies. If that were the case then the US would have no friends at all.

Lunatic

get ANOTHER tat and piercing

 

[Rachel_X]

Lunatic

get ANOTHER tat and piercing

I don't have any of either.
Like all your arguments you just use your own stupid imagination as evidence.