Satanist or Humanist?

[Flagg]

Both believe in the corporal and not the spiritual and both believe in the strength and independence of mankind.

These are pretty much my beliefs but I'd always thought of myself as a humanist. Am I a satanist too?

If so I'm going to need to go shopping pronto as I'm clean out of goats and virgins.

 

[Merelan]

Is that really you?


I got a good deal going on goats, slightly used though....

I think Bob is the only virgin around.

 

[Star of Penumbra]

I think pretty much everybody on the planet is out of virgins. Well, except perhaps the repressed Catholic Church.

 

[Flagg]

Sounds good Merelan.

It doesn't matter how many times the goats have been banged as long as they haven't been banging the virgins.

 

[Merelan]

Akk, I didn't mean that. Geesh, you think with as long as I have been hanging out here I would have learned better.
Though, knowing some of the crew around here, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Flagg]

Don't worry your secret is safe with me - if goat-loving is your bag then you knock yourself out

 

[Mischka]

If so I'm going to need to go shopping pronto as I'm clean out of goats and virgins.

Get some virgin goats. You'll save on the shipping costs.

 

[Flagg]

Very sound economic advice there. Only problem is that me and a virgin goat isn't really condusive to the erotic atmosphere I had in mind.

 

[sunstruck]

Very sound economic advice there. Only problem is that me and a virgin goat isn't really condusive to the erotic atmosphere I had in mind.

Depends on which one you intend on slaughtering.

 

[Flagg]

Slaughtering myself in the presence of a virgin goat is as equally uncondusive to the erotic atmosphere I had in mind.

 

[Flagg]

Oh hang on - you meant either the virgin or the goat didn't you?! Or did you? I'm freaked out now.

 

[ksmybuttons]

"Humanism is a rational philosophy informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by compassion. Affirming the dignity of each human being, it supports the maximization of individual liberty and opportunity consonant with social and planetary responsibility. It advocates the extension of participatory democracy and the expansion of the open society, standing for human rights and social justice. Free of supernaturalism, it recognizes human beings as a part of nature and holds that values--be they religious, ethical, social, or political--have their source in human experience and culture. Humanism thus derives the goals of life from human need and interest rather than from theological or ideological abstractions, and asserts that humanity must take responsibility for its own destiny." • The Humanist Magazine

So, by that definition alone, Satanism cannot apply. While trying to research Satanism, I was unable to find a definitive philosophy. The closest would be from the founder of the Church of Satan, "Anton LaVey, whose Church is agnostic with regards to Satan himself, and promotes a perspective of religio-philosophic materialism. Those who look towards LaVey for inspiration, feel that Satanism is the pursuit of the passionate and intelligent qualities of life." http://www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/

It is still a "church" and has a "bible" and Satan is a Christian term...


I don't recommend goats or virgins, maybe just a good old romp on mother earth...

 

[Merelan]

I freaked when I saw your post, felt like I was in twilight zone....

wanna freak together?

 

[riff]

You sound like a hedonist in need of therapy.

 

[Flagg]

I used to be hedonistic - now I'm just a homeowner.

 

[Flagg]

Sorry Merelan - I'll try and give you some warning next time Nice to see you're still here!

Ksmybuttons - thanks for the info - despite the way this thread turned out I am quite interested in the topic. Your definition differs slightly to the one I heard recently which suggested that the word "Satan" doesn't come from the christian doctrine at all. Its simply a word that encomplasses all that is corporal. Other religions and doctrines adopted it as the oppoiste of their spiritual deities.

 

[Merelan]

Hell, they won't let me leave. I am the only one that knows where they keep the net for the pool.

 

[*bratcat*]

 

[Mischka]

I thought Satanism necessarily encompassed some sort of supernaturalism - the idea that "Satan" exists in any form slightly removed from the pure human existence on this planet. As ksmybuttons said, humanism does not look towards any sort of spiritualism or supernaturalism apart from the human experience. I'm an atheist and a humanist. My beliefs could never be classified as Satanist.

 

[sunstruck]

My beliefs could never be classified as Satanist.

No, but your AV could. It's freaking me out.

 

[Mischka]

No, but your AV could. It's freaking me out.

Geez, you people are hard to please. First RawHumor accused me of never smiling, and now I'm a Satanist. I'm going back to Boob Chick.

 

[Flagg]

I've never heard of Kate Bush being described as a satanist before. Wonders will never cease.

 

[Mischka]

See how much you've been missing out on at Lit? And welcome back, Flagg. Nice to finally make your acquaintance.

 

[Flagg]

I thought Satanism necessarily encompassed some sort of supernaturalism - the idea that "Satan" exists in any form slightly removed from the pure human existence on this planet.

Is it really necessary to be both an atheist and a humanist? Perhaps I don't understand the difference between them either.

According to my definition, satanism is completely non-spiritual and non-supernatural. So you haven't really given an answer.

Then again my definition could be wrong in which case you have given me an answer.

Hell - lets just get back to the goats and the virgins huh?

 

[ksmybuttons]

Ksmybuttons - thanks for the info - despite the way this thread turned out I am quite interested in the topic. Your definition differs slightly to the one I heard recently which suggested that the word "Satan" doesn't come from the christian doctrine at all. Its simply a word that encomplasses all that is corporal. Other religions and doctrines adopted it as the oppoiste of their spiritual deities.

There were many divergent definitions of Satanism. I did not find it useful at all. My feeling is that by virtue of its name alone, it becomes Christian based as Satan is a Christian term. Even if they are corporal, they are still using a religion to define themselves.

http://www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/LUPOFAQ23.txt

This site seems to have the most diverse definitions and explanation.

I had never really read about Satanism before...Thanks for the learning opportunity. Not converted, however.