Rybka & co, here you go

[Senna Jawa]

 

    MNMLST

 

[karmadog]

Male bovine excretions.

 

[Rybka]

Thanks, S.J. I found the page interesting in terms of examples, but I come close to agreeing with Kdog with reference to the over-analysis by the author.

Regards, Rybka

 

[Senna Jawa]

1-word poem

 



                        grrrError



 
 
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  2003-07-17
 

 

[Rybka]

                                                SUNsET

 

[Senna Jawa]

                                                SUNsET

Rybka, your "sunset" and "transitions" both fail as art, both are boring. Indeed, you are saying with colors again what you have already said in words. Your whole understanding of art has to be upgraded, more refined.

BTW, I meant to tell you this about "transitions" a longer time ago. But some people on this board allow themselves to speak on behalf of the whole group, they are the holy defenders of "values", they tell you where and how you may and may not express a critical opinion... and with all this communist-like oppressive atmosphere on this Literotica "poetry" board, where the mediocrity rules, I don't feel much like talking to anybody. It's ugly here. There are different rules for different people, and you cannot defend yourself against an offensive statement directed at you by a more equal participant of this forum because other more equal participants ad him/her and act like "the working class" (read KGB) killing the bad "imperialists" (read "someone, who doesn't belong to their circle") in the name of the cause called lousy poetry full of cliches and pseudo-cleverness, and void of intelligence and good taste. They must have a very good cause indeed, judging from how much time and effort they spend on making their poetry even worse.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Thanks, S.J. I found the page interesting in terms of examples, but I come close to agreeing with Kdog with reference to the over-analysis by the author.

Regards, Rybka

Needless to say, I disagree with both of you, Rybka & KD.

And I could add some more points about some of those poems.

 

[karmadog]

Of course you disagree, but these are examples of minimal wit, not minimalism. SJ, at best they ask a lot of the reader for a minimal reward. At best.

I can't believe that you think they are more than a very, very slight joke.

I stand by my first comment.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Of course you disagree, but these are examples of minimal wit, not minimalism. SJ, at best they ask a lot of the reader for a minimal reward. At best.

I can't believe that you think they are more than a very, very slight joke.

I stand by my first comment.

As a minimum they are inventive and in good taste. You don't see much of either around here. These miniatures are true art. They play on your imagination profoundly, in a way which may evoke emotions. It is ironic, KD, that you say nothing about the loads of "male and female bovine excretions" produced and praised up to skies and heavens here on this board (why? you've praised some of it yourself) but you react so negatively to true art. In the case of some other participants it would be double standard, ignorance, stupidity, etc. In your case I guess that you don't give a damn, that it is more comfortable for you to look the other way. I don't even know if you care about discussing these miniatures. I could show certain philosophical statements statements stated artistically (rather than obnoxiously) behind some of them. You can't say that much in a meaningful way about most of the spinned and fresh products praised in the new poems thread. (And when it comes to the rudeness of your expression: male bovine excretions, you have certainly applied a double standard).

Sure, stand by your statement all you want. See your doctor about your varices.

 

[Rybka]

As a minimum they are inventive and in good taste. You don't see much of either around here. These miniatures are true art. They play on your imagination profoundly, in a way which may evoke emotions. It is ironic, KD, that you say nothing about the loads of "male and female bovine excretions" produced and praised up to skies and heavens here on this board (why? you've praised some of it yourself) but you react so negatively to true art. In the case of some other participants it would be double standard, ignorance, stupidity, etc. In your case I guess that you don't give a damn, that it is more comfortable for you to look the other way. I don't even know if you care about discussing these miniatures. I could show certain philosophical statements statements stated artistically (rather than obnoxiously) behind some of them. You can't say that much in a meaningful way about most of the spinned and fresh products praised in the new poems thread. (And when it comes to the rudeness of your expression: male bovine excretions, you have certainly applied a double standard).
Sure, stand by your statement all you want. See your doctor about your varices.

"Varices"? My dictionary says, varices = "An abnormally dilated or swollen vein, artery, or lymph vessel. - One of the longitudinal ridges on the surface of a gastropod shell." What does that have to do with poetry? - But that aside, S.J. I am beginning to find your opinions too didactic.
I grant you the emotion created in "grrrError". I can feel the anger when an error message appears on a computer screen, and grant that that adds something to the real and original word. - However, when you think/feel that poetry must be only black and white, you are closing your mind and restricting the growth of expression ( read "art").
I do not claim to be proficient in any aspect of poetry, and while my response to your one word poem was written in quick response (as quickly as I could code it), I insist that adding color or spacing to a poem does add something. In particular I think that "Transition" is vastly improved by color. The words may not be the greatest poetry, but they are greatly improved by Lauren.Hyndes' colorization.
Sir, please read the E.E. Cummings' tagline in my signature. It may apply to you.

Best regards, Rybka

 

[Senna Jawa]

"Varices"?

Varicose vains. You get them in your legs from standing.

I grant you the emotion created in "grrrError". I can feel the anger when an error message appears on a computer screen, and grant that that adds something to the real and original word.

That's a good start, Rybka. Go on, you have a long way, miles ahead of you.

However, when you think/feel that poetry must be only black and white, you are closing your mind and restricting the growth of expression ( read "art").

Stop Rybka this bullshit. That's not nice.

I insist that adding color or spacing to a poem does add something. In particular I think that "Transition" is vastly improved by color.

It depends. It may be damaging. The way you're coloring letters you only subtract from what you are saying. Slavish repetition by color what you already stated in words is harmful. Different dimensions should express complementary things, they should extend each other, they should add to poetry. All you achieve is an unnecessary assault on readers' senses, when they should create images on their own, in their own mind (transitions or sunset). You do explaining with your colors, and that's not art, that's against poetry. Today, Rybka, you are not in the same league with the authors presented at above link MNMLST.

[...][ Lauren.Hyndes' colorization.

Oh, interesting, what is it? I've written a perl program (even more than one) for coloring phrases years ago. See for instance the page which I made for another poet,

                                Polonika

If there is any interest in my perl program, I may find it or even write it anew.

Sir, please read the E.E. Cummings' tagline in my signature. It may apply to you.

Best regards, Rybka

What is that garbage "Sir" about?

Regards,

 

[Rybka]

... the way you're coloring letters you only subtract from what you are saying. Slavish repetition by color what you already stated in words is harmful. Different dimensions should express complementary things, they should extend each other, they should add to poetry. All you achieve is an unnecessary assult on readers' senses, when they should create images on their own, in their own mind (transitions or sunset). You do explaining with your colors, and that's not art, that's against poetry. Today, Rybka, you are not in the same league with the authors presented at above link MNMLST.

("assult" = "assault", or are you trying to combine "assault" with "insult" and create a new one word opprobrious poem?)

I disagree that color subtracts from the words. At the least, I would venture, that it "reminds" the reader of other sensory modalities". At the most I would suggest that the colors are complementary to the words. (Not in a geometric nor color chart sense, but in the "extending".) How would a blind man react to hearing the poem, or a totally colorblind person to reading it? The same as a person with complete facilities? I do not think so. - Senna, your talents lie in the mathematical arena. My training was in scientific philosophy and physiological psychology. Perhaps we see the same thing but from different sides.
I fully admit that I am not in the same league as the contributors, (nor may I want to be) but I would assert that my perceptive faculties are almost certainly as great as the site's author. Once again I refer you to E.E. Cummings' comment in my signature with reference to being over analytical.

... I've written a perl program (even more than one) for coloring phrases years ago.

Lauren did it the hard way. Converting the poem to a jpg and then using a graphics program. If you have an easy to use perl program, I am sure many of us would benefit from the use of it.


Best regards,                     Rybka

 

[Senna Jawa]

("assult" = "assault"

Thank you for spotting my typo. (I've corrected it).

or are you trying to combine "assault" with "insult" and create a new one word opprobrious poem?)

Or are you, Rybka, trying to be a smart ass too hard?

I disagree that color subtracts from the words.

You disagree with whom?

I said that the way you-Rybka, have used letter coloring in "sunset" and "transitions" is boring. (In general, yes, letter coloring can be used in an advantageous way, I see very well how)The same, and for similar reasons (the same principle) goes for the change of the font size in your "tides".

Senna, your talents lie in the mathematical arena. My training was in scientific philosophy and physiological psychology. Perhaps we see the same thing but from different sides.

And what is this bullshitting for? What does it contribute to our discussion? Exactly nothing.

Once again I refer you to E.E. Cummings' comment in my signature with reference to being over analytical.

I am getting tired of your repetitive bullshit. You are abusing Cummings. It is very primitive what you are trying to do here. Play such stupid games with Angeline and her crowd, not with me. You want to discuss things? -- nice, but stick to the meritum. You want to bullshit? -- go back to the rest of this board.

Lauren did it the hard way. Converting the poem to a jpg and then using a graphics program. If you have an easy to use perl program, I am sure many of us would benefit from the use of it.

I did it the easy way. You supply my program with a phrase, either form the keyboard or from a file, say phrase.txt, together with the hex color code of the first and the last letter, and you get html code,
say colorPhrase.html, which display the whole phrase in colored
letters, where the color changes gradually from the first to the last letter. Then you can copy and insert that code into your full html file. Perhaps I should learn Jawa Script a bit and do it in Java Script. (But I am lazy these days).

Best regards,

 

[Rybka]

Very well, Senna Jawa...

Thank you for spotting my typo. (I've corrected it).Or are you, Rybka, trying to be a smart ass too hard?You disagree with whom?

I said that the way you-Rybka, have used letter coloring in "sunset" and "transitions" is boring. (In general, yes, letter coloring can be used in an advantageous way, I see very well how)The same, and for similar reasons (the same principle) goes for the change of the font size in your "tides".And what is this bullshitting for? What does it contribute to our discussion? Exactly nothing.
I am getting tired of your repetitive bullshit. You are abusing Cummings. It is very primitive what you are trying to do here. Play such stupid games with Angeline and her crowd, not with me. You want to discuss things? -- nice, but stick to the meritum. You want to bullshit? -- go back to the rest of this board.

Best regards,

I withdraw from further discourse on these matters with you. Your responses too are becoming very repetitive and with very little undigested content.

Go in peace, Rybka