Russia is right: The West promised not to enlarge NATO & these promises were broken

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Russia is right: The West promised not to enlarge NATO & these promises were broken

With Russia challenging Western unilateralism in a way not seen since the end of the Soviet Union, two major issues keep coming to the fore. Both, it seems, are centered on America's flagship military bloc, NATO.

First, there is Moscow’s claim that there was a Western promise not to expand NATO beyond its Cold War area. Second, there is a Western claim that NATO cannot, let alone will not, put an end to admitting new member states.

This is no mere rhetoric; these are crucial points. Russia’s insistence on a thorough review and comprehensive, bindingly codified reset of post-Cold War security relations with the West hinges on its claim that prior Western assurances were broken. Talk and informal promises, the Kremlin says, are not enough anymore because they have turned out to be unreliable. On the other side of the quarrel, the West is rejecting a Russian key demand – to stop NATO expansion – by entrenching itself behind its claim that NATO simply must keep the door open to new members.

Both claims can be verified. Let’s take a look at the facts. Moscow is right in its assertion that the West has broken its promises.

Such pledges were made twice to Russia, as a matter of fact. In 1990, during the negotiations over the unification of West and East Germany, and then, again, in 1993, when NATO was extending its Partnership for Peace policy eastward. In both cases, the assurances were given by US secretaries of state, James Baker and Warren Christopher, respectively. And in both cases, they took it upon themselves to speak, in effect, for NATO as a whole.

https://www.rt.com/russia/546074-russia-nato-relations-lie/
 
Could you be more of a Useful Idiot?

Putin thanks you for your service.

(Hint: may want to check the origin of the news source you're referencing sometime)
 
America, although the largest player in NATO, does not speak for all of it. The decision whether to join NATO or not is down to an individual country's government.

Given Russia's aggressive stance, it is not surprising that countries want to be part of NATO.

PS. If you hadn't appreciated it, the OP's source is the Russian government's propaganda arm.
 
I don't think there's a great appetite for expanding NATO at present, but if the Russians don't see that their recent expansionist behavior is driving a lot of that talk in places like Sweden where it was previously pretty rare, they need to get a clue. It's bullshit to go, "We want our neighbors to be friendly or at worst neutral," but then expect them to not have any reaction at all to seeing them grab various pieces of Ukraine.
 
And the U.S. and Canada remain members, even though we have nothing to fear from Russia any more?

Wouldn't it make more sense for NATO to become the EU's military arm?

You are mistaken in your assessment
 
You are mistaken in your assessment

What have the U.S. and Canada to fear from a post-Soviet Russia? Not the wildest paranoid can any longer envision Red Dawn or Amerika as a possible scenario.
 
What have the U.S. and Canada to fear from a post-Soviet Russia? Not the wildest paranoid can any longer envision Red Dawn or Amerika as a possible scenario.

I don't believe you understand the history nor the present of Russia's influence and power.
 
I don't believe you understand the history nor the present of Russia's influence and power.

If they were really expansionist, they would have made war on Turkey by now -- the Russians have always coveted Istanbul/Constantinople.
 
If they were really expansionist, they would have made war on Turkey by now -- the Russians have always coveted Istanbul/Constantinople.

Naivety

There's a reason the source is RT
 
If they were really expansionist, they would have made war on Turkey by now -- the Russians have always coveted Istanbul/Constantinople.

They just don't want to lose half their army getting it. They'd never get their army close enough to invade. Turkey is a NATO country, there are American nukes stationed there. Bad idea, even under Biden.
 
Sweden sends troops to Gotland as Russia ups activity in Baltic Sea

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ccec6995-3029-4f47-a553-328dd7646411

An emergency contingency unit of Sweden’s armed forces*landed*on Gotland on Friday and Saturday by plane and passenger ferry, bringing troops and equipment to an island many have compared to an aircraft carrier in the middle of the Baltic Sea.

The deployment comes amid rising jitters in Nordic and Baltic countries about Russia’s intentions on its border with Ukraine, and how that could spill over to neighbouring countries. Swedish media noted at the weekend increased Russian naval activity in the Baltic Sea as troops were sent to Gotland.

“It is clear there is a risk. An attack against Sweden cannot be ruled out . . . It’s important to show we are not naive. Sweden will not be caught napping if something happens. It is important to send signals that we take this situation seriously,” defence minister Peter Hultqvist*told*radio station Ekot on Saturday.

Russia’s deployment of more than 100,000 troops to the Ukrainian border and its harsh diplomatic rhetoric has led Sweden and Finland, both militarily non-aligned, to stress that they*retained the option*to apply for Nato membership.

A majority in Sweden’s parliament is in*favour of membership*of the military alliance, but the ruling centre-left Social Democrats are not and without their support Sweden is unlikely to join.

The acute issue is several large Russian landing ships entering Baltic sea (from the north fleet). Thing is, it's commonly understood any Russian military action against Baltic states -- Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania -- would likely be accompanied or even start by taking control over Gotland. Such is believed to be next up on Putin's to do list right after Ukraine.

After the failed US/NATO/OSCE discussion with Russia, both Sweden and Finland confirmed that while they have no immediate intention to fully join the alliance, losing such opportunity would require reassessment of their respective defense doctrines. Russia responded with traditional threats, promising "grave consequences" if Sweden would join NATO, and calling possibility of Finland's joining a "provocation."
 
Wtf does America have to worry about with Russia?
Gee?
How many times do we have to impeach one President to point too the reasons? Plus all that was true in Mueller’s investigation and the money trails which weren’t followed?

Why the fuck is it ok with Americans that Russian (Putin) has private talks with HIS US President??

They had a RUSSIAN agent asking our future President her boss’ questions.

Wtf?

Communist much? FUCK no! Just a greedy desire to launder Putin’s riches? Or Saudi Arabia’s or name the next autocrat who can line your pockets
(Hungary? Turkey?) . Trump wants that power!!

Let’s help him get it, cuz the people in those countries are doing so well!
 
Wtf does America have to worry about with Russia?
Gee?
How many times do we have to impeach one President to point too the reasons? Plus all that was true in Mueller’s investigation and the money trails which weren’t followed?

Why the fuck is it ok with Americans that Russian (Putin) has private talks with HIS US President??

They had a RUSSIAN agent asking our future President her boss’ questions.

Wtf?

Communist much? FUCK no! Just a greedy desire to launder Putin’s riches? Or Saudi Arabia’s or name the next autocrat who can line your pockets
(Hungary? Turkey?) . Trump wants that power!!

Let’s help him get it, cuz the people in those countries are doing so well!

I'm sure you realize that the Deplorables see / saw nothing wrong with the orange traitor's brand of crime. WHITE collar crime doesn't bother them one little bit for some reason.

I wonder why that ^ is ???

(We know why)

*nods*
 
Russia gave Ukraine a cast iron, gold plated guarantee signed off by Putin that she would respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. The Crimea came next. Russia cannot be trusted, Putin cannot be trusted: ever.

Russia has a 1000 year history of bullying its neighbours, that will not change.

The west should be encouraging quarrels between Russia and its eastern neighbours, especially China and Japan. Plenty of old disputes to stir up.
 
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