Rush Limbaugh is not a big fat idiot.

[Purple Haze]

He's quite brilliant.

Not only has he figured out what misinformation his idiots want to hear, he has them convinced that they are more knowlegable for listening to him. Anytime he has a caller that puts up a good argument against him, he goes to a commercial and they've mysteriously disappeared. Anytime he's called on an untruth, he claims he's only an entertainer.

Mega Dittos!

 

[Weevil]

Doubtless the man sure does speak to his listeners, which I don't find surprising because I've always felt that right wing folk are constantly searching for some form of entertainment that speaks to them.

Which brings me off on an interesting tangent. How do conservative folk watch TV or movies without getting all buggy eyed? Do they just watch Seventh Heaven?

 

[rambling man]

Rush Limbaugh has also lost a lot of weight

Most people I know, from a feminist communist girl I know to a person so comservative their hair won't move, can't stand television. It's more of an intellectual divide than a political.

I watch a few of the cop shows, some sports, and sometimes Conan O'Brien(although yes, I did watch Judge Mills Lane this morning) but that's about it. I rent and buy a lot of movies!

 

[Weevil]

Rush Limbaugh has also lost a lot of weight

Most people I know, from a feminist communist girl I know to a person so comservative their hair won't move, can't stand television. It's more of an intellectual divide than a political.

I watch a few of the cop shows, some sports, and sometimes Conan O'Brien(although yes, I did watch Judge Mills Lane this morning) but that's about it. I rent and buy a lot of movies!

They don't make a lot of Right wing movies either though. Oh well, I suppose people can put their politics on hold long enough to enjoy a flick like Traffic.

 

[rambling man]

Stallone, Norris, and Schwartzenegger are just too old and John Wayne is dead...that's where the right wing movies went..

I don't consider myself right wing and Traffic kicked ass

I think Rush Limbaugh many times is as manipulative as his left-wing counterparts. They either take an extreme or worst case scenario or they take a normal situation with a bad spin and use it to horrify their listeners. "This could be you!!!!" It is from the Readers' Digest That's Outrageous school...

It doesn't produce solutions, only a lot of pissed off people. It also produces a wide base of listeners from both the left and the right

 

[Texan]

He's quite brilliant.

Not only has he figured out what misinformation his idiots want to hear, he has them convinced that they are more knowlegable for listening to him. Anytime he has a caller that puts up a good argument against him, he goes to a commercial and they've mysteriously disappeared. Anytime he's called on an untruth, he claims he's only an entertainer.

Mega Dittos!

I don't really enjoy being called an "idiot".

I don't exactly have to defend Limbaugh, after all, his program will be heard today by about 20 million more people than will read your post.

Like Rambling_man alluded to, the demographics of the Limbaugh listeners reflect more highly educated and affluent listeners than the viewers of most television programs.

I can understand your comments. From your post, it is clear you don't listen to the program. If you did, you would know Limbaugh looks for opposing views, and lets well expressed arguements from the left get more airtime than he allows from callers who agree with him. I have NEVER heard a caller with an opposing view "mysteriously dissapear". I think the "untruth" can more easily be found in your post.

 

[Weevil]

Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh is not a big fat idiot.

I don't really enjoy being called an "idiot".

I don't exactly have to defend Limbaugh, after all, his program will be heard today by about 20 million more people than will read your post.

Mmmmm. A populist argument??? Does his popularity give him a sort of carte blanche in terms of what he says? Is Britney Spears better than Paul McCartney? Is Howard Stern as bright and witty? Can I stop asking questions?

 

[rambling man]

on the other hand they do raise some issues that otherwise would be ignored. I don't like how things sometimes get simplified, though, no matter who does it..Most issues are deeper than they are made out to be by partisans of one side or the other.

What do you all think of some of the other conservative commentators ou tthere? I have never listened to Liddy in my life, but I have picked up some Robert D. Raeford from time to time even though he isn't on his own show. I always enjoyed Paul Harvey's stories, is he dead? ..All you ever hear about is Limbaugh, though and I wonder if anyone talks about the others

 

[Texan]

Re: Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh is not a big fat idiot.

Mmmmm. A populist argument??? Does his popularity give him a sort of carte blanche in terms of what he says? Is Britney Spears better than Paul McCartney? Is Howard Stern as bright and witty? Can I stop asking questions?

EBW... I never thought of that as a "populist argument". I just considered it a simple comparison of the impact of the antagonists.

I only hear the Limbaugh program about once every couple of weeks, and probably wouldn't have responded except for the "idiot" description of his listeners.

 

[rambling man]

i know bright people who love him and listen regularly and bright people who hate him and listen regularly...so there ya go

 

[Weevil]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh is not a big fat idiot.

EBW... I never thought of that as a "populist argument". I just considered it a simple comparison of the impact of the antagonists.

I only hear the Limbaugh program about once every couple of weeks, and probably wouldn't have responded except for the "idiot" description of his listeners.

Yeah. Its just when anyone implies that numbers = validity I just revert back into my music snob bitch persona.

Truth be told I've never listened to the show. But the guy was a major force in proving that Small market sports teams can compete and as such I've got to give him some hesitant props.

 

[Texan]

i know bright people who love him and listen regularly and bright people who hate him and listen regularly...so there ya go

good point RM.... I know "idiots" on all sides of every political position. Being "correct" on an issue doesn't make a person "bright". Being "wrong" on an issue doesn't make a person stupid.

 

[miles]

I don't listen to him much, and I don't agree with a lot of what he says. But I've never heard him spread misinformation, be disrespectful to the rare caller who disagrees with him, or use some of the disgusting tactics his opponents are famous for.
It bothered me when Clinton referred to conservative talk radio as "hate radio".

By the way, did you ever wonder why there are virtually no widely syndicated liberal talk show hosts?.

I don't wonder.

 

[Purple Haze]

Re: Re: Rush Limbaugh is not a big fat idiot.

I don't really enjoy being called an "idiot".

I didn't call you an idiot, you did.

I don't exactly have to defend Limbaugh, after all, his program will be heard today by about 20 million more people than will read your post.

A lot of people watched "The Dukes of Hazzard" too.

Like Rambling_man alluded to, the demographics of the Limbaugh listeners reflect more highly educated and affluent listeners than the viewers of most television programs.

See above.

I can understand your comments. From your post, it is clear you don't listen to the program. If you did, you would know Limbaugh looks for opposing views, and lets well expressed arguements from the left get more airtime than he allows from callers who agree with him. I have NEVER heard a caller with an opposing view "mysteriously dissapear". I think the "untruth" can more easily be found in your post.

Three callers were cut off today, and his show isn't over yet. I'm sure they are silenced while he blah, blah, blahs and goes to a commercial.

I'm not makin' this up.

 

[rambling man]

see, told you all that bright people of every political type listen to him regularly

Are you putting down the Dukes of Hazzard??????

The greatest show I ever saw.....well I was six, seven, eight when it was on and Homicide was not on the air yet...so at the time it was the greatest in my young life...We always played Dukes as kids until we watched G.I. Joe later on..any excuse to shoot each other

Except for the season of the scab Dukes anyway, you know who I mean

 

[miles]

Purple Haze

Just LOVE your makeup.

 

[Purple Haze]

Re: Purple Haze

Just LOVE your makeup.

Thank You, would you be interested in seeing some Mary Kay products?

I have some mascara that would help bring out your eyes a little.

 

[Weevil]

"Hello Homer. I'm the ghost of Cesar Chavez"

"Then why do you look like the ghost of Cesar Romero?"

"Because you don't know what Cesar Chavez looks like"

 

[rambling man]

that fucking cracked me up when i saw it on the Simpsons

 

[Weevil]

Yeah. I just think of it whenever PH posts.

 

[rambling man]

"You don't even know who the hell I am"
Benjamin Disraeli on "Family Guy"

 

[Purple Haze]

CESAR E. CHAVEZ

http://latino.sscnet.ucla.edu/research/chavez/gifs/cesar.s2.gif

1927 - 1993

"One of the heroic figures of our time."
Senator Robert F. Kennedy


Recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom & the Aguila Azteca



Cesar Estrada Chavez founded and led the first successful farm workers' union in U.S. history. When he passed away on 23 April 1993, he was president of the United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO


Cesar was born March 31, 1927, on the small farm near Yuma, Arizona that his grandfather homesteaded during the 1880's. At age 10, life began as a migrant farm worker when his father lost the land during the Depression. These were bitterly poor years for Cesar, his parents, brothers and sisters. Together with thousands of other displaced families, the Chavez family migrated throughout the Southwest, laboring in fields and vineyards. Cesar left school after the eighth grade to help support his family.

He joined the U.S. Navy in 1945, and served in the western Pacific during the end of World War II. In 1948, he married Helen Fabela, who he met while working in Delano vineyards. The Chavez family settled in the East San Jose barrio of Sal Si Puedes (get out if you can).


In 1952, Cesar was laboring in apricot orchards outside San Jose when he met Fred Ross, an organizer for the Community Service Organization, a barrio-based self-help group sponsored by Chicago-based Saul Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation. Within several months Cesar was a full-time organizer with CSO, coordinating voter registration drives, battling racial and economic discrimination against Chicano residents and organizing new CSO chapters across California and Arizona.


Cesar served as CSO national director in the late 1950's and early 1960's. But his dream was to create an organization to help farm workers whose suffering he had shared. In 1962, after failing to convince the CSO to commit itself to farm worker organizing, he resigned his paid CSO job, the first regular paying job he had. He moved his wife and eight young children to Delano, California where he founded the National Farm Workers Association (NFWA).


These were difficult years for Cesar and Helen Chavez. Helen worked in the fields during the week and on weekends with her husband to support the family. He often babysat his youngest children as he traveled to dozens of California farm communities, slowly building a nucleus of dedicated farm worker members. "If you're outraged at conditions, then you can't possibly be free or happy until you devote all your time to changing them and do nothing but that," he said. "But you can't change anything if you want to hold onto a good job, a good way of life and avoid sacrifice."


In September 1965, Cesar's NFWA, with 1200 member families, joined an AFL-CIO sponsored union in a strike against major Delano area table and wine grape growers. Against great odds, Cesar led a successful five year strike-boycott that rallied millions of supporters to the United Farm Workers. He forged a national support coalition of unions, church groups, students, minorities and consumers. The two unions merged in 1966 to form the UFW, and it became affiliated with the AFL-CIO.


From the beginning, the UFW adhered to the principals of non-violence practiced by M.K. Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The 1965 strikers took a pledge of non-violence and Cesar conducted a 25 day fast in 1968 to reaffirm the UFW's commitment to non-violence. The late Senator Robert F. Kennedy called Cesar "one of the heroic figures of our time," and flew to Delano to be with him when he ended the fast.


By 1970, the boycott convinced most table grape growers to sign contracts with the UFW. That year, to limit the UFW's success to the vineyards, growers in the vegetable industry signed "sweetheart" pacts with the Teamsters Union. When the UFW's table grape agreements came up for renegotiation in 1973, growers signed with the Teamsters, prompting 10,000 farm workers in California's coastal valleys to walk out of the fields in protest.


Cesar called for a new worldwide grape boycott. By 1975, a Louis Harris poll showed 17 million American adults were honoring the grape boycott. It forced growers to support then California Governor Jerry Brown's collective bargaining law for farm workers, the 1975 Agricultural Labor Relations Act.


Since 1975, the UFW won most of the union elections in which it participated. Despite the farm labor board's bureaucratic delays, farm workers made progress. By the early 1980's farm workers numbered in the tens of thousands were working under UFW contracts enjoyed higher pay, family health coverage, pension benefits and other contract protections.


Then, in 1982, with more than $1 million in grower campaign donations, Republican George Deukmejian was elected Governor of California. Most objective observers agree that under Deukmejian, the farm labor board ceased to enforce the law. In 1984, Cesar called for another grape boycott. In July and August 1988, he conducted a 36 day "Fast for Life" to protest the pesticide poisoning of grape workers and their children.


Cesar lived with his family since 1970 at La Paz, in Keene, California, the union's headquarters in Kern County's Tehachapi Mountains, east of Bakersfield,. Like other UFW officers and staff, he received subsistence pay that didn't top $5,000 a year.


Cesar Chavez passed away on April 23, 1993, at the age of 66. More than 40,000 people participated in Cesar's funeral at Delano. He was laid to rest at La Paz in a rose garden at the foot of the hill he often climbed to watch the sun rise.


In 1991, Cesar received the Aguila Azteca (The Aztec Eagle), Mexico's highest award presented to people of Mexican heritage who have made major contributions outside of Mexico. On August 8, 1994, Cesar became the second Mexican American to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States. This award was presented posthumously by President Bill Clinton. Helen F. Chavez and six of her eight children traveled to the White House to receive the honor.


Many skeptics declared the union dead after Cesar passed away, but such reports were proven to be premature. On Cesar's birthday, March 31st, 1994, under the leadership of his son-in-law and successor Arturo S. Rodriguez, the UFW marched 343 miles from Delano to Sacramento, echoing Cesar's historic 1966 peregrinaci—n and demonstrating the strength of the UFW and the fact that Cesar's dream of a national union for farm workers remains a possibility. The UFW continues to win elections and negotiate contracts for farm workers.


In 1994, Cesar's family and the officers of the UFW created the Cesar E. Chavez Foundation to inspire current and future generations by promoting the ideals of Cesar's life, work and vision. The Foundation's headquarters is at La Paz, the future location of the Cesar E. Chavez Library and the Cesar E. Chavez Training and Education Center.

 

[miles]

Purple Haze

That would be PER-FECT.

Say, do you have anything that would cover up these circles under my green eyes? They are so awful - I could just scream!

Toodles!

 

[rambling man]

Do that again and I'll copy and paste a bio on Disraeli...I mean it!!!!!!! Maybe add one on Chester A. Arthur just for shits and giggles

 

[Weevil]

"You don't even know who the hell I am"
Benjamin Disraeli on "Family Guy"

As if we needed more proof that the family guy is a shameless rip off of the Simpsons