Role Playing ?

[Jay142]

I'm finishing up a story that includes adults role-playing with one dressed as a schoolgirl. I'm wondering if this would violate the underage rules. I don't specify what age the adult is playing.

If it does violate the rules, I could add dialogue that makes it clear she is over 18 in the role.

I like that Laurel is strict about underage stories and I want to make sure I'm within the rules.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's not so much the stated age you need to watch, but the role play behaviour.

I'm not sure I'd be convinced by an adult "playing a school girl" as an eighteen plus year old school girl - where would you get one of those?

 

[KeithD]

Yes, I think a story with a "school-girl-dressed" role-playing character will be rejected for underage at Literotica.

 

[Comshaw]

I'm finishing up a story that includes adults role-playing with one dressed as a schoolgirl. I'm wondering if this would violate the underage rules. I don't specify what age the adult is playing.

If it does violate the rules, I could add dialogue that makes it clear she is over 18 in the role.

I like that Laurel is strict about underage stories and I want to make sure I'm within the rules.

Thanks for any advice.

Adult role playing is an acceptable, and legal, erotic outlet. It does not violate the age rule in any way shape or form AS LONG AS it is CLEAR they are adults. I would make sure that some place early in the story you specifically delineate the age of (at least) the female participant to assure you don't run afoul of the age limit rule.

Comshaw
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[KeithD]

Let's just see what Laurel does with a story with a character role-playing dressed as an underage school girl, whether or not she's actually an adult. Be sure to let us know how it worked out and report the published version so we can all see what variation of that passes here. It's fine with me if it passes, of course.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Adult role playing is an acceptable, and legal, erotic outlet. It does not violate the age rule in any way shape or form AS LONG AS it is CLEAR they are adults. I would make sure that some place early in the story you specifically delineate the age of (at least) the female participant to assure you don't run afoul of the age limit rule.

Not quite. If the role play is portrayed as "young" then it won't pass the site's criteria on this - it's not as simple as a "They were all at least eighteen" caveat. If the role play character is portrayed as pre-pubescent or young teen, it's going to be tough to get over the line.

Legality is irrelevant here, it's a private website with its own rules.

 

[KeithD]

Perhaps Comshaw or another Lit. author can point to one of their stories where this was done and it passed muster. I'm sure someone here wouldn't give advice to a new user's question without some experience/knowledge of how it actually works here.

 

[Comshaw]

Not quite. If the role play is portrayed as "young" then it won't pass the site's criteria on this - it's not as simple as a "They were all at least eighteen" caveat. If the role play character is portrayed as pre-pubescent or young teen, it's going to be tough to get over the line.

Legality is irrelevant here, it's a private website with its own rules.

You are probably correct in your assertion that if the role play is portrayed as pre-pubescent, it wouldn't be accepted.

However, I also believe you are incorrect in your assumption that because the role play by adults is portrayed as "young" (what constitutes "young" exactly?) it wouldn't be accepted. Have you had a work rejected because of that? Do you have a specific ruling from the powers that be on that particular scenario? If you have neither of those, then it looks like we are at a draw because it comes down to opinions.

As to your last sentence, sorry, no. I believe you are wrong. The whole premise behind the 18 rule is for the site to stay out of legal trouble. A role play by adults would not cause anything along those lines. While Laurel and Manu have ultimate say on it, I don't think they would reject a work with a school girl role play included.

That said, The only way to really know is for Laurel to make a determination on it.

Comshaw

 

[KeithD]

By all means, if anyone has gotten "a story that includes adults role-playing with one dressed as a schoolgirl" published at Literotica, please do cite it for us. I presume anyone saying it can be done knows of such a story or managed to get one published or they wouldn't be saying it can be done.

 

[KeithD]

I have no doubt such stories can be found on Lit. Doesn't mean it is allowed; report those stories and they might disappear.

I don't really care if they are in the file. The site can do its own policing. I'm more interested in those without knowledge of an issue here leading new users down blind paths.

 

[Jay142]

Let's just see what Laurel does with a story with a character role-playing dressed as an underage school girl, whether or not she's actually an adult. Be sure to let us know how it worked out and report the published version so we can all see what variation of that passes here. It's fine with me if it passes, of course.

Thanks for the advice, Keith. I've had a couple of stories rejected that I didn't think violated the rules so I know how sensitive this subject is and I applaud Laurel for being strict. She has to be strict or her business is shut down.

I think I'm going to clearly state that the person playing the schoolgirl is playing as a 19-year-old or modify it so she is a college student so there's no confusion. I don't want to write something that is in the gray area and I don't want Laurel thinking I'm trying to push the boundaries of the rules either.

FYI, the story is a follow-up to Hannah the Whore and should be ready for submission to the Group Sex category within a week or so. I'm writing for a couple of playful ladies and role-playing is part of their foreplay.

 

[ElectricBlue]

You are probably correct in your assertion that if the role play is portrayed as pre-pubescent, it wouldn't be accepted.

However, I also believe you are incorrect in your assumption that because the role play by adults is portrayed as "young" (what constitutes "young" exactly?) it wouldn't be accepted.

By "young" I clearly stated that portraying pre-pubescent or young teen behaviour would be most unlikely to pass Go on this site. I also observed that an "eighteen plus" year old school girl, whatever her behaviour, isn't going to be very convincing as a school girl. "School girls", generally, are perceived as under eighteen, I'd have thought.

But the OP can let us know how they get on - they came for advice, and got it, from several people who have been around the site for a while.

 

[oggbashan]

I have mentioned adults dressing up as schoolgirls but all the characters involved were retired and mature.

 

[RejectReality]

Age play is extremely sketchy.

It used to be that so long as the scene couldn't be cut from the story with zero context and read as underage, you would be okay. That meant that you had to be in the head of one of the participants, regularly reminding the reader that it was indeed play throughout the scene, and all participants were of age.

It had to be more about the role-playing than the role being played.

That was ten years ago, though. It's become much more difficult to get age play through the approval process since. Most people who wrote it regularly gave up on trying to get them through. If it's the central kink of the story, the odds of getting it through are slim.

 

[Bramblethorn]

As to your last sentence, sorry, no. I believe you are wrong. The whole premise behind the 18 rule is for the site to stay out of legal trouble. A role play by adults would not cause anything along those lines. While Laurel and Manu have ultimate say on it, I don't think they would reject a work with a school girl role play included.

Where film and photography are concerned, the law sets some sharp lines at age 18. That's not the case for written fiction. In most cases, fiction falls under First Amendment protection. On a couple of occasions, written erotica has been found to be "obscenity" and therefore outside 1A.

Both of those occasions that I'm aware of involved fairly extreme pedo content, and that quite likely contributed to the finding of obscenity (which involves a "community standards" test) but there is no legal line set at 18, and you can find mainstream published stuff that involves under-age, some of it quite explicit.

From what Laurel's said, the site's rule is motivated not by any current laws but by concern about laws that might be made in the future:

I know it's an inconvenience for writers at times, but I want you to know that our over-18 policy is not born out of some moral nor legal standard (though we are staunchly against pedophilia). No matter where we draw the line, there will be people who think it unfair. However, as we are not ready to publish stories involving children, we must draw a line. Minors in the US are those under the age of 18, so that's the safest line to draw. If we were in GB, the age would probably be 16...and those in countries where 12 is the legal age of consent might find THAT constraining.

Here in the US, the age issue is a touchier deal than rape or anything else. Technically, fiction featuring under age sex is perfectly legal - as is fiction which features murder or rape - but those currently "in power" would like to make such fiction (as well as all adult material) illegal. A man was recently put in jail for writing fictitious stories about underage children IN HIS PRIVATE JOURNAL. The man was on parole, but it still sets a very bad legal precedent. Like I said, we feel the need to draw the line somewhere, and 18 just makes the most sense for us in many ways.

It's not as clear to me as it is to you that age-play would fall outside that concern. It could still be interpreted as catering to an under-age fetish, and if it were allowed then any author looking to publish an under-age story here could just wrap it in an "adults roleplaying" scenario.

 

[TadOverdon]

The U.S. is a hodge-podge of state laws, each defining the age of majority differently. What's safe to say is that if you treat 18 as the cut-off, you're clear everywhere in the country. There are also federal rights and responsibilities, such as voting in federal elections, assigned at 18.

The Supreme Court of the United States is on the brink of overturning a fifty-year-old Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, so Laurel's certainly justified in being circumspect about the extent to which currently-recognized rights that are at all socially controversial can be relied upon over time.

 

[LexxRuthless]

Depending on context, that one scene could get your story either rejected, or subsequently reported by some overzealous reader for violating the site guidelines. Either way, if it isn't a vital component of the story I wouldn't risk including it. You would be fine if, say, the characters met up at a costume party and one of them was wearing a "slutty schoolgirl" costume. Once that character starts role-playing in that costume, though, you could get into trouble.

That said, a search under the Tags index using the keyword schoolgirl yielded 7 pages of results...

 

[Jay142]

The U.S. is a hodge-podge of state laws, each defining the age of majority differently. What's safe to say is that if you treat 18 as the cut-off, you're clear everywhere in the country. There are also federal rights and responsibilities, such as voting in federal elections, assigned at 18.

The Supreme Court of the United States is on the brink of overturning a fifty-year-old Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade, so Laurel's certainly justified in being circumspect about the extent to which currently-recognized rights that are at all socially controversial can be relied upon over time.

This is exactly why I agree with Laurel playing it safe. Not only are there a "hodge-podge" of state laws, but this site is also international.

 

[JuanaSalsa]

I did a schoolgirl / teacher roleplay in one of my most popular stories. However, it was college school girl / professor roleplay where both participants were college students. So, the girl roleplayed basically herself (in a sexy school uniform) and he roleplayed an older professor. All the fun of the teacher student dynamic and age-gap play with none of the potential underage confusion.

 

[Comshaw]

By "young" I clearly stated that portraying pre-pubescent or young teen behaviour would be most unlikely to pass Go on this site. I also observed that an "eighteen plus" year old school girl, whatever her behaviour, isn't going to be very convincing as a school girl. "School girls", generally, are perceived as under eighteen, I'd have thought.

But the OP can let us know how they get on - they came for advice, and got it, from several people who have been around the site for a while.

I'm a bit confused by (and the reason I asked for a clarification on your use of "young") the first bolded portion above. I interpret that to mean that if they can't pass as an under 18 schoolgirl, if a female doesn't look and act like one, then it isn't really role-playing? If that is your meaning, please read Ogg's post and understand that people of all ages role play. You don't have to be a <18 YO schoolgirl or an of age exact copy to role-play. The reason is in the name it's playing, acting out a role.

Additionally, it has to do with how skillfully the age play is woven into the story and how it's described. I've read stories (on other sites) that were claimed to be about adults, but the narrative most definitely was not written to be adult role play. It was a thin and obvious cover for a pedo story. That would not, and should not, pass Laurel's muster. However, if done correctly and written clearly as to who is involved (adults), it would, as evidenced by Ogg's story. And yes, I can state with authority even mature people role-play

As to the bolded portion of your last sentence: If that is the criteria for good advice, then mine should be gold. Why? If you will be so kind as to check my join date (2000) and the year I put my first story on Lit (2000) you'll see I've been here a long time.

That said, I believe the only advantage to that particular criteria (longevity) is historical knowledge of specific events or actions taken. Without that factual backing, it does not in any way give a person's opinion any more credence than any other.

On the other hand, if you mean being on this forum for a long time, that means nothing if, as stated above, that person does not have direct and concrete evidence that their opinion is backed by historical events (rejection of an age play story). NO ONE so far has claimed that distinction, including me. It's all been opinion. If it is not in the rules, or someone has not experienced a rejection of a clearly defined adult age play story, then it comes down to a WAG as to what Laurel will or will not do.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

Originally Posted by KeithD View Post
I don't really care if they are in the file. The site can do its own policing. I'm more interested in those without knowledge of an issue here leading new users down blind paths.

Not everyone is like you. Asking people to point out to 'questionable' stories is asking to put the spotlight on them. If people bring in their own stories, fine. If stories are brought forward that are written by others, I don't care, but it might come across as snitching.

As I've pointed out numerous times, I NEVER see what KD posts unless he's quoted. Once seen, though, it can't be unseen.

In that vein:
I find it very curious that KD would insist someone is leading another astray because he believes the giver has no knowledge of the particulars of the situation, while out of the mouth on his other face he is giving advice of the opposite flavor with no more concrete knowledge of the facts than the one voicing the original opinion. Big fish is getting testy 'cause someone got in his rice bowl. hHmmmm...curiouser and curiouser.

Comshaw

 

[RejectReality]

I'm primarily basing my response on one of our departed member's experience. ( Boxlicker ) He used to write a lot of age play, but about ten years ago, they started getting rejected. He also had at least one rejected after the fact that had been up for years.

Granted, he wasn't exactly try-hard on stressing it as role-play, and the stories were entirely centered on that kink.

I can't remember who or when the other mentions were, but Box brought up his experience during threads where others were reporting that their stories were being rejected as underage for age-play. At least one of them was a single scene in a larger story. None that I can recall were ever tweaked and passed, as opposed to removing the scene entirely.

I've seen a couple of stories with age-play scenes pass in the years since, but can't recall any strictly age-play stories making it through. Everything that I have noticed has leaned heavily into the 'young' character's POV and their arousal from the play. They also avoided triggers such as numerical ages, etc.

That's the only reason I say it's sketchy. Absent having seen those, I would be leaning toward the kink being completely off-limits, because absolutely none of those brought up here reached a resolution that included the story being approved with the age-play intact.

Most people writing age-play want it to come off more immersive than has ever been allowed. That's the primary stumbling block.

On the other hand, if you mean being on this forum for a long time, that means nothing if, as stated above, that person does not have direct and concrete evidence that their opinion is backed by historical events (rejection of an age play story). NO ONE so far has claimed that distinction, including me. It's all been opinion. If it is not in the rules, or someone has not experienced a rejection of a clearly defined adult age play story, then it comes down to a WAG as to what Laurel will or will not do.

Comshaw

 

[KeithD]

I'm primarily basing my response on one of our departed member's experience. ( Boxlicker ) He used to write a lot of age play, but about ten years ago, they started getting rejected. He also had at least one rejected after the fact that had been up for years.

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Yes, long-term observation of examples that have actually arisen here. As noted, happy to see examples of those that have passed--especially from the actual knowledge of those who say this setup would be acceptable here.

 

[TxRad]

I have a 12 chapter series about role play. The young lady is 24 and I stressed that a lot. As often as possible. After some PM's with Laurel and letting her read the first two chapters, she shot the whole thing down.

That was about ten years ago. They are gathering dust in their own little folder. It was fun writing but with no place for it to go I gave up on it.

 

[KeithD]

I have a 12 chapter series about role play. The young lady is 24 and I stressed that a lot. As often as possible. After some PM's with Laurel and letting her read the first two chapters, she shot the whole thing down.

That was about ten years ago. They are gathering dust in their own little folder. It was fun writing but with no place for it to go I gave up on it.

There are other story sites that would take it. Shame not to have it up somewhere.