Roe v. Wade and Female Flight

[lavender]

 

[Wrong Element]

If you saw something like this happen, and you realized that many rights that women possess that we often take for granted were no longer Constitutionalized, do you think we would see a flight of women to the North or the Pacific Northwest?

I can't imagine women, especially young professional women or college aged women who would want to live in a state where abortion was expressly illegal. I know that not all women support the Roe v. Wade decision. This was just a thought in my mind.

I don't know that we'd see a noticeable movement. I'm no expert, but aren't there already large parts of the country that don't have convenient access to abortion providers? I would guess there are already many states where you can't get an abortion outside of large cities.

I think whether or not abortion was legal would fit in with other related issues--by which I mean that the sort of state that would outlaw abortion might be undesirable for young professional women for other reasons too, such as a general tight-assedness.

But: I really don't know that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. This Supreme Court is nothing if not political, and they must be savvy enough to know that such a ruling would produce a backlash among liberals (not unlike the way the initial ruling galvanized pro-lifers), and would deprive the Republicans of much of their emotional energy.

 

[Laurel]

What do you think would happen in our society if the Supreme Court were to overrule Roe v. Wade. They weren't going to make abortion illegal, but they would say that it was each State's decision to decide whether abortion would remain legal or not.

The current administration seems to believe state's rights to legislate themselves are less important than Federal law (i.e. the Oregon right to die legislation which the people of Oregon have voted to approve twice, which Ashcroft is going to court to overturn).

Do you think that, in light of this and the Federal intervention in Florida's laws the last Presidential election, the Supreme Court would really overturn Roe V. Wade and say it's up to the states?

 

[Pyper]

Of course women wouldn't move. It would be just like Spain, where the out-dated Catholic Church still holds power in the government.

Women every once and a while take a nice vacation to England.

 

[Shaq]

Hmmm....I'm not sure that an exodus of women to the midwest would occur....it would likely be that certain places like NY and DC would just be specific "Go to get an abortion states" much like (not to offend anyone with the comparison) citizens in states like Tenn hop over to VA to play the lottery...

 

[takingchances42]

Re: Re: Roe v. Wade and Female Flight

The current administration seems to believe state's rights to legislate themselves are less important than Federal law (i.e. the Oregon right to die legislation which the people of Oregon have voted to approve twice, which Ashcroft is going to court to overturn).

Do you think that, in light of this and the Federal intervention in Florida's laws the last Presidential election, the Supreme Court would really overturn Roe V. Wade and say it's up to the states?

Technical point here, but in Florida, it was the 100% Democratic Florida Supreme Court that intervened in Florida electoral laws, and flagrantly violated the Florida Constitution regarding the legislature's power to set electoral laws. Amazing how little that is mentioned these days...

And of course, both Republican and Democratic lawmakers tend to support state rights only in those areas where they see it as being advantageous to them...

 

[seXieleXie]

 

[deliciously_naughty]

I would argue our administration seems to have a vested interest in lowering the options for women. Bush's first act as president was to force orgs that recieve govt funding to not mention abortion as an option for a pregnant women, or to disclose where she could get one even if she asked. From what I'm told this law is broken often by pro-choice advocates, at the risk of their jobs and funding.

I would also add that the parental consent laws many states have in place already restricts many women from excercising their right to choose. Also, the strict rules on what you can and cannot teach in a sex ed class has led to quite a bit of false info about abortion being passed around.

However, if there was such an action, I don't think we'd have an exodus to other states, but I think we would see several trends occur. The first is that women would take a trip to nyc or another ultra liberal city to get an abortion as a vacation (of course this would be among more well off women).

I think among the poorer women we would see another surge in back alley abortions and something not unlike a return to the coat hanger era. However, as a member of naral, I also think it is not unlikely that something like an underground abortion movement would get started...you know, women going down to the more conservative states, handing out pamphelts on abortion and where you can get one, safe sex etc.


NY is already a "go to get an abortion state"...it's one of the few that doesn't require parental consent, and will do the later abortions (still within legal parameters, of course).

 

[kotori]

Guerilla Girls of LaGuardia Place

Like she said, they'd all move to Greenwich Village.

 

[Laurel]

Re: Re: Re: Roe v. Wade and Female Flight

Technical point here, but in Florida, it was the 100% Democratic Florida Supreme Court that intervened in Florida electoral laws, and flagrantly violated the Florida Constitution regarding the legislature's power to set electoral laws. Amazing how little that is mentioned these days...

How is a conflict between a state Supreme Court and a state legislature a states rights vs. Fed rights issue?

I was referring to the Supreme Courts intervention in a state election. THAT is a state's right issue. The other is...something else.

 

[seXieleXie]

Re: Guerilla Girls of LaGuardia Place

Like she said, they'd all move to Greenwich Village.

they came to my school tonight i'm all inspired now

 

[seXieleXie]

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

In relation to the topic, just one word:

Nevada

 

[deliciously_naughty]

I love the guerilla girls....you're lucky to have had them come to your school...I would love to see them live

 

[seXieleXie]

it was kickass. i have printed out some posters and am ready to cause trouble on campus

 

[Spinaroonie]

In relation to the topic, just one word:

Nevada

won't happen.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

it was kickass. i have printed out some posters and am ready to cause trouble on campus

kudos

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

won't happen.

Why not? Isn't Nevada one of the most liberal states in the Union?

What better place for women to move to have their rights?

 

[Spinaroonie]

Why not? Isn't Nevada one of the most liberal states in the Union?

What better place for women to move to have their rights?

Sry.

I thought you were gonna argue the pot things for states rights.

my mistake

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Sry.

I thought you were gonna argue the pot things for states rights.

my mistake

Well, the doobage is just a side benefit of living in Nevada.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Why not? Isn't Nevada one of the most liberal states in the Union?

What better place for women to move to have their rights?

In some ways it is...in others not so.

I think a better place is ny where seneca falls happened in 1848, the official starting point of the feminist movement in america