"Rodeo" is a sport?

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Deseret News, Saturday, May 25, 2002

Vaulter plans to keep aiming high

But insurance glitch may foil competition

By Amy Donaldson
Deseret News sports writer

OREM - When Mountain View High School's Lisa Henderson decided to try pole vaulting, no one gave it a second thought - girls have been allowed to compete with the boys' teams for years.

But when she qualified for state competition, her success complicated things: Because insurance coverage doesn't cover Henderson at the state level, she may not be able to compete next year, officials say. Further complicating the matter is a discussion of the very safety of the sport - for anyone.

Despite little coaching, restrictions on her participation and competing against boys, Henderson is committed to pole vaulting and plans to continue.

"I love how it uses my entire body," she says.

The junior honor student's interest in pole vaulting was welcomed at the school level.

"I said, 'Fine,' " said Bruins head track coach Dave Houle. "As far as I'm concerned, girls can try anything. I had a sister, Faith, who played football."

But after Henderson finished third in region competition and 10th at the state meet, one of her coaches was told that she likely wouldn't be able to compete next year.

The Utah High School Activities Association cited insurance rules as the problem. In fact, she was only able to jump this year because officials were unaware of her participation.

"We didn't know she was in until she was done jumping," said Dave Wilkey, assistant director of the UHSAA. "We're not firm on where this will end up. Pole vaulting is not a sanctioned sport for girls, and our catastrophic insurance only covers sanctioned sports."

The UHSAA hasn't faced this issue before because no girls had made it to the state tournament in pole vaulting - until Henderson qualified.

"It's never happened before," Wilkey said. "We made a ruling several years ago that girls could participate on the school, region levels as exhibition. . . . I just don't know that it's ever been an issue."

Girls were allowed to pole vault at the lower levels because insurance at region meets is covered by the state's Risk Management Office for individual athletes. The UHSAA insurance only covers state meets and tournaments.

Title IX allows girls to participate in a sport with boys under the
insurance rules if there is no equivalent sport for girls, as in football and wrestling. But in the case of pole vaulting, there is technically a women's pole vault - it's just not sanctioned by the UHSAA because there aren't enough girls involved.

"There just haven't been enough girls involved to add it as an event," Wilkey said. "The clay is so wet here, we just don't know how things will end."

Wilkey said the issue hasn't been discussed by the UHSAA's board and won't be until their June meeting. Complicating the issue further is the sentiment that pole vaulting is just too dangerous for both boys and girls. Only 13 states still allow high school students to pole vault, and Utah is one of them.

Several years ago there was a motion made by the board to do away with both pole vault and javelin. Several track coaches made changes that convinced the board of the events' safety, and the board agreed to keep both.

"There is great sentiment nationally, and great concern locally, that there are too many safety issues with this sport," Wilkey said. Those concerns were legitimized when a St. George coach died after falling while demonstrating the pole vault to several athletes last year.

He said two regions, one in 3A and one in 5A, are considering dropping these events.

"So the question is whether we want (pole vault) to grow," he said of adding women's pole vault as a sanctioned sport.

Regardless of what the board decides, Henderson said she'll keep jumping.

"I'm not worried about it, because I can do it in college," said Henderson, also a starter for the Bruins' state champion soccer team. "I would like to train year round. Pole vaulting is like a breath of fresh air. I'll keep practicing no matter what."


Henderson's best jump in an official meet is 9-6, which is up from last season, when her top jump was 7-6. She has cleared even higher jumps in practice. The highest vault among boys at the state meet was 13-0. In Class 1A, the sixth- through eighth-place vaults were at or below Henderson's best.

Houle believes she has real talent and has offered to help her find training facilities.

"The key is athleticism," he said. "And she's got it. She was just a natural at it."

Her mother said she doesn't really understand the issue but hopes her daughter is allowed to compete her senior year.

"I would be somewhat upset," Joyce Henderson said. "I guess I don't understand the rationale. Why is it more dangerous for girls than it is for boys?"

Wilkey said the fact that the sport doesn't attract enough girls to make it a sanctioned sport is the real problem. The state has a rule that if 50 percent of the schools can field a team in a certain sport, then it will be considered by the board for sanctioning. Sports like rodeo and hockey are among those sports still hoping to be accepted by UHSAA.

"Just because there's 50 percent participation doesn't mean it's in," Wilkey said. "Just that it's considered. Our board has sort of been in a no-growth mode. We're having difficulty maintaining the sports we sanction now."

Both mother and daughter would be satisfied even if she's only allowed to participate at the region level. Joyce Henderson just doesn't want to see the state take away her daughter's opportunity to learn the sport, because the one thing about all this that has surprised her is how much Lisa loves it.

"We'll wait and see what happens next year," Joyce Henderson said of her youngest child, who has always been up for new challenges. "I don't know if it's toughness, self-confidence or adventurousness, but she's just not afraid to try."
 
Sort of a stupid set of rules don't you think. The girl can compete so why shouldn't she?
 
So how many schools have rodeo teams in the UK? I've never heard of rodeo as a sport for either boys or girls here.

Pole vaulting, yes. But rodeo?
 
My college has one of the best rodeo teams in the nation. They've won several national collegiate rodeo championships over the years. My dad rode bulls for them in the late fifties.

More of a sport than fucking cricket or curling, I'll tell you that.
 
I've always questioned whether or not bowling was a sport or not....
 
Problem Child said:
My college has one of the best rodeo teams in the nation. They've won several national collegiate rodeo championships over the years. My dad rode bulls for them in the late fifties.

More of a sport than fucking cricket or curling, I'll tell you that.

Okay... now where is that thread about "things I've learned since being at Lit?" I just learned that "rodeo" is a sport! Is it mostly out west, by any chance? I honestly have never heard of it as a school sport. I went to a rodeo show once as a little kid when they were in town, but that's the vast extent of my rodeo experience.
 
Out west it is a big deal. Go to a rodeo show in texas sometime and see how it is.
 
Rodeo
Auto Racing
Bowling
Cheerleading
Grass Cutting
Running From Bulls
Darts


Are the gray area sports...
 
Shaq said:
Auto Racing


Are the gray area sports...

No that is most definetly a sport. Except for NASCAR maybe just because i hate it so much.
 
Shaq said:
Rodeo
Auto Racing
Bowling
Cheerleading
Grass Cutting
Running From Bulls
Darts


Are the gray area sports...


I'll wager that you've never tried to stay on an 1800 lb. bull that is actively trying to kill you.
 
Problem Child said:



I'll wager that you've never tried to stay on an 1800 lb. bull that is actively trying to kill you.


I can't say that I have...rodeo is eh...it's subjective I guess....I just think of sports in the more classic sense...to me rodeo is the same as jumping on the wings of a small airplane and seeing how long you can stay on....
 
Shaq said:



I can't say that I have...rodeo is eh...it's subjective I guess....I just think of sports in the more classic sense...to me rodeo is the same as jumping on the wings of a small airplane and seeing how long you can stay on....

That's easy. To stay on a bull for eight seconds you need a lot of upper body strength similar a wrestler or pro football player. The animal moves lightning fast, so you have to have instant reflexes like a stock car driver or a basketball player. Add to that guts like somebody going into combat. A very high tolerance for pain helps a lot too.
 
PC You Rock!

Problem Child said:
My college has one of the best rodeo teams in the nation. They've won several national collegiate rodeo championships over the years. My dad rode bulls for them in the late fifties.

More of a sport than fucking cricket or curling, I'll tell you that.

Rodeo plays a large part in keeping many teenagers out of other trouble in my part of the world. Ya'll don't know what you're missing.
 
I grew up riding in at NHSRA sanctioned rodeos, and that was in the 70s. There were some high schools that gave letters for participation, just like football or band. Insurance at that time wasn't as big a deal as I suppose it is now. We had a lower real person to lawyer ratio.

As for the athleticism that is required. LOL. That of course depended on your dedication. I rode 2000 lb. bulls regularly, and never had to stay overnight in the hospital. Played football for one week, had a 250 lb. lineman lose his 'balance', and spent months recovering from the surgery. Go figure.




National High School Rodeo Association
www.nhsra.org
 
Cheyenne said:


Okay... now where is that thread about "things I've learned since being at Lit?" I just learned that "rodeo" is a sport! Is it mostly out west, by any chance? I honestly have never heard of it as a school sport. I went to a rodeo show once as a little kid when they were in town, but that's the vast extent of my rodeo experience.


LMAO:D

You know Chey, I actually thought from the beginning that your nic had something to do with Cheyenne, Wyoming. The Frontier Days is the 'Daddy of 'em all' rodeos. In my neck of the country, Cheyenne is synonymous with wind and rodeo.
 
erosman said:

You know Chey, I actually thought from the beginning that your nic had something to do with Cheyenne, Wyoming. The Frontier Days is the 'Daddy of 'em all' rodeos. In my neck of the country, Cheyenne is synonymous with wind and rodeo.

Exactly why I have this nickname*. It makes people think of Indians (think yoyotwat and how upset he was when he found out I'm German by heritage!) and Wyoming. It helps "hide" me from anyone who may know me in real life if they happen to read my threads here.

* Of course, the name also belongs to my cat so that would be a clue of anyone thought about it. But most people go directly to "Indian" or "Wyoming."

And no, I know jack shit about rodeos. :D
 
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I don't know about y'all but I suddenly want to see PC riding a big mean ass bull. ~swoon~
 
erosman said:
I grew up riding in at NHSRA sanctioned rodeos, and that was in the 70s. There were some high schools that gave letters for participation, just like football or band. Insurance at that time wasn't as big a deal as I suppose it is now. We had a lower real person to lawyer ratio.

As for the athleticism that is required. LOL. That of course depended on your dedication. I rode 2000 lb. bulls regularly, and never had to stay overnight in the hospital. Played football for one week, had a 250 lb. lineman lose his 'balance', and spent months recovering from the surgery. Go figure.




National High School Rodeo Association
www.nhsra.org

Erosman, I did the exact same thing as you. High school rodeo. I have to agree with your LOL at that level, nobody worked out and the only people who really "trained" were those in the non- roughstock events, i.e. calf roping, barrel racing etc.

At the pro level though, the guys that are winning regularly are more and more those that do some kind of strength training and try to take care of themselves. I think it's undeniable that the people that do any sport well are athletes.

To me that's sort of what makes a sport a sport. Does it take any kind of athleticism, or merely skill. To me things like darts, bowling, and even golf are games and not sports, because you can be incredibly out of shape and still do them reasonably well. When was the last time you saw a fat-ass, out of shape bullrider that was competitive?

Of course there are exceptions. Golfers are becoming more athletic, especially since Tiger Woods became the standard of excellence. People say stock car racing isn't a sport, but it takes a lot of stamina to wrestle a stock car around a track for three hours non-stop, and oh, by the way if you blink or make a single mistake you might die. That's concentration.
 
Cheyenne said:

And no, I now jack shit about rodeos. :D


Rodeo cowboys are a different breed these days. They train like professional athletes. With all of the advertising dollars, professional rodeo is a big ticket sport. But, for every pro-cowboy, there are hundreds of local yocals who bust their ass to prove something at the county fair.

Damn, all this here rodeo talk, has me wanting to rosin up my glove and rope. It's been so long since I've had my face plastered against the dirt, and felt like just being alive was an accomplishment. And yes, the adrenaline overdose makes you hornier than hell:D
 
I guess my original question wasn't so much about the athletic ability of rodeo stars. I realize there is such a thing as a rodeo and that guys ride bulls, etc. I was more surprised to see it referred to as a high school sport. Does rodeo have an equipment manager like basketball and football? Where do they get the bulls from in the first place, and who takes care of them? Do they life out back in barns behind the schools or what?

(and I'm only half joking people, I have no clue how rodeos work at the high school level as a sport. :))
 
Problem Child said:


Erosman, I did the exact same thing as you. High school rodeo.


Damn, PC, I knew there was something I liked about you. What events did you participate in?

I rode bulls, bareback and my senior year took to steer wrestling. Those were the days! Damn, what I'd give to go back and re-live that with what I know now. The cowgirls would never be the same:D

Tell me, PC. Have you ever seen such a collection of nice asses as you saw in HS rodeo? Makes my mouth water just thinking about it.
 
Cheyenne said:
I guess my original question wasn't so much about the athletic ability of rodeo stars. I realize there is such a thing as a rodeo and that guys ride bulls, etc. I was more surprised to see it referred to as a high school sport. Does rodeo have an equipment manager like basketball and football? Where do they get the bulls from in the first place, and who takes care of them? Do they life out back in barns behind the schools or what?

(and I'm only half joking people, I have no clue how rodeos work at the high school level as a sport. :))

Geez, Chey, I have been out of that loop for a couple of decades. Bucking stock contractors raise and develop herds of bulls and horses. Many of those animals develop names for themselves. I was going through some old junk recently, and found my rodeo bag. In the mess of rosin and gloves was a little notebook, where I kept track of bulls. There were probably 300 bulls that were in the rodeo circuit of my high school state.

Typically, a good bucking bull develops a style, not too dissimilar to an athlete. Some of those animals have been inducted or enshrined in the Pro Rodeo Hall of Fame, in my illustrious home state. Bulls and horses are bred and raised for bucking abilities. If they make the cut, then they work 20-40 seconds a weekend. If they don't make the cut, then...well...they are headed for...well, we don't need to go there.
 
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