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Sex? Ok, I can see that. It's the same as any toy on batteries, only more sophisticated. Marriage? That kind of assumes that a) artificial minds can be sentient and genuinely intelligent, b) they're sentient and intelligent on par with their constructors, humans and c) they're recognized as such by human societies. All which opens up a philosophical bag o tricks that the article doesn't seen to say anything about.

And anyway, if it's just simulation, why bother with the mechanical construction when a generation of virtual reality a few steps down the road employ controlled hallicuiogenics and hypnosis to make VR in five senses indistinguable from reality?

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Forecast: Sex and Marriage with Robots by 2050

By Charles Q. Choi, Special to LiveScience

posted: 12 October 2007 04:46 pm ET

Humans could marry robots within the century. And consummate those vows.

"My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience. Levy recently completed his Ph.D. work on the subject of human-robot relationships, covering many of the privileges and practices that generally come with marriage as well as outside of it.

At first, sex with robots might be considered geeky, "but once you have a story like 'I had sex with a robot, and it was great!' appear someplace like Cosmo magazine, I'd expect many people to jump on the bandwagon," Levy said.

Pygmalion to Roomba

The idea of romance between humanity and our artistic and/or mechanical creations dates back to ancient times, with the Greek myth of the sculptor Pygmalion falling in love with the ivory statue he made named Galatea, to which the goddess Venus eventually granted life.

This notion persists in modern times. Not only has science fiction explored this idea, but 40 years ago, scientists noticed that students at times became unusually attracted to ELIZA, a computer program designed to ask questions and mimic a psychotherapist.

"There's a trend of robots becoming more human-like in appearance and coming more in contact with humans," Levy said. "At first robots were used impersonally, in factories where they helped build automobiles, for instance. Then they were used in offices to deliver mail, or to show visitors around museums, or in homes as vacuum cleaners, such as with the Roomba. Now you have robot toys, like Sony's Aibo robot dog, or Tickle Me Elmos, or digital pets like Tamagotchis."

In his thesis, "Intimate Relationships with Artificial Partners," Levy conjectures that robots will become so human-like in appearance, function and personality that many people will fall in love with them, have sex with them and even marry them.

"It may sound a little weird, but it isn't," Levy said. "Love and sex with robots are inevitable."

Sex in 5 years

Levy argues that psychologists have identified roughly a dozen basic reasons why people fall in love, "and almost all of them could apply to human-robot relationships. For instance, one thing that prompts people to fall in love are similarities in personality and knowledge, and all of this is programmable. Another reason people are more likely to fall in love is if they know the other person likes them, and that's programmable too."

In 2006, Henrik Christensen, founder of the European Robotics Research Network, predicted that people will be having sex with robots within five years, and Levy thinks that's quite likely. There are companies that already sell realistic sex dolls, "and it's just a matter of adding some electronics to them to add some vibration," he said, or endowing the robots with a few audio responses. "That's fairly primitive in terms of robotics, but the technology is already there."

As software becomes more advanced and the relationship between humans and robots becomes more personal, marriage could result. "One hundred years ago, interracial marriage and same-sex marriages were illegal in the United States. Interracial marriage has been legal now for 50 years, and same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the states," Levy said. "There has been this trend in marriage where each partner gets to make their own choice of who they want to be with."

"The question is not if this will happen, but when," Levy said. "I am convinced the answer is much earlier than you think."

When and where it'll happen

Levy predicts Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize human-robot marriage. "Massachusetts is more liberal than most other jurisdictions in the United States and has been at the forefront of same-sex marriage," Levy said. "There's also a lot of high-tech research there at places like MIT."

Although roboticist Ronald Arkin at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta does not think human-robot marriages will be legal anywhere by 2050, "anything's possible. And just because it's not legal doesn't mean people won't try it," he told LiveScience.

"Humans are very unusual creatures," Arkin said. "If you ask me if every human will want to marry a robot, my answer is probably not. But will there be a subset of people? There are people ready right now to marry sex toys."

The main benefit of human-robot marriage could be to make people who otherwise could not get married happier, "people who find it hard to form relationships, because they are extremely shy, or have psychological problems, or are just plain ugly or have unpleasant personalities," Levy said. "Of course, such people who completely give up the idea of forming relationships with other people are going to be few and far between, but they will be out there."

Ethical questions

The possibility of sex with robots could prove a mixed bag for humanity. For instance, robot sex could provide an outlet for criminal sexual urges. "If you have pedophiles and you let them use a robotic child, will that reduce the incidence of them abusing real children, or will it increase it?" Arkin asked. "I don't think anyone has the answers for that yet—that's where future research needs to be done."

Keeping a robot for sex could reduce human prostitution and the problems that come with it. However, "in a marriage or other relationship, one partner could be jealous or consider it infidelity if the other used a robot," Levy said. "But who knows, maybe some other relationships could welcome a robot. Instead of a woman saying, 'Darling, not tonight, I have a headache,' you could get 'Darling, I have a headache, why not use your robot?'"

Arkin noted that "if we allow robots to become a part of everyday life and bond with them, we'll have to ask questions about what's going to happen to our social fabric. How will they change humanity and civilization? I don't have any answers, but I think it's something we need to study. There's a real potential for intimacy here, where humans become psychologically and emotionally attached to these devices in ways we wouldn't to a vibrator."

Levy is currently writing a paper on the ethical treatment of robots. When it comes to sex and love with robots, "the ethical issues on how to treat them are something we'll have to consider very seriously, and they're very complicated issues," Levy said.
 
It might not be all that new. I'm told a lot of married couples have sex on autopilot.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Oh brother. Here we go again.

Twenty five years ago I was talking with a fellow computer programmer. He claimed that within ten years computer programmers would be out of jobs, the computers would be able to program themselves.

I encountered more than a few clients who were under the impression that the computers coming would allow them to fire their employees. They were less enamoured of the idea when I pointed out that a computer that smart would take away their jobs too. ;)

There's one big problem with artificial intelligence. How are you going to fake something when you don't know what it is? And nobody really knows what intelligence is.
 
Rumple Foreskin said:
It might not be all that new. I'm told a lot of married couples have sex on autopilot.
Something like this?

"My Mom's been having sex with a dead guy for years. I call him Dad."
-Randall Graves, Clerks
 
Liar said:
b) they're sentient and intelligent on par with ... humans and c) they're recognized as such by human societies.

That's asking a lot of human societies since there are so many that don't even extend that much recognition to other humans based on such minor differences as skin color, gender, religion or politics.
 
rgraham666 said:
Oh brother. Here we go again.
How are you going to fake something when you don't know what it is? And nobody really knows what intelligence is.

"How was it for you, dear?"

"00100001011011000100010100001011010010... "
 
Liar said:
Erm...

Sex? Ok, I can see that. It's the same as any toy on batteries, only more sophisticated. Marriage? That kind of assumes that a) artificial minds can be sentient and genuinely intelligent, b) they're sentient and intelligent on par with their constructors, humans and c) they're recognized as such by human societies. All which opens up a philosophical bag o tricks that the article doesn't seen to say anything about.

And anyway, if it's just simulation, why bother with the mechanical construction when a generation of virtual reality a few steps down the road employ controlled hallicuiogenics and hypnosis to make VR in five senses indistinguable from reality?

I think Issac Azimov explored this subject (albeit in a 1950's euphemistic way) in one of the "I, Robot" books..... I may even have it here... Hmmmm Need to re-read it.... I will get back to you on this!!

Actually...... I do remember on one of Azimov's planets with only a few people who each lived alone with their robots. Commerce, government and relationships were only done by computer.

I think this is a far more likely kind of future world then the sex with robots thing. Hell..... I suspect there are more than a few people on Lit whose sex lives now are essentially limited to a computer screen. At times, mine certainly was. So how far off is this future?

-KC
 
I dunno about a robot - teledildonics maybe, I know I could take that one to the next level - volunteers? investors?
 
This could get out of hand too, you know. Rogue Robot Rapists. Robot Gangbangs. Robot Swapping. Robot Bondage. Even Gay Robots.

This could add a whole new dimension to Lit writing. :D
 
I think it would work, as long as you could program them to self-destruct when you got sick of them after, oh, maybe seven years.
 
Jokes aside, the idea has a certain merit.

If you could actually marry a robot who was able to sort of tutor you through social relationships it could be a very beneficial thing. The robot would have to be somewhat subtle about the process, but it could result in an improved you. Also, the robot could be upgraded with more programming as you advanced. Think about it.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
This could get out of hand too, you know. Rogue Robot Rapists. Robot Gangbangs. Robot Swapping. Robot Bondage. Even Gay Robots.

This could add a whole new dimension to Lit writing. :D

Ladies and gentlemen: Alt Sex Fetish Robots!

Duran Duran even recorded a song about these guys:
Duran Duran said:
I knew when I first saw you on the showroom floor
You were made for me
I took you home and dressed you up in polyester
Princess of my dreams
Emotionless and cold as ice
All of the things I like
The way you look
The way you move
The sound you're makin'
In ultra-chrome, latex and steel

I plug you in
Dim the lights
Electric Barbarella
Your perfect skin
Plastic kiss
Electric Barbarella
Try to resist
Then we touch
Hallucinate and tranquilize

(she's so fine)
(she's all mine)

Our private life is subject to investigation
No time to waste
People say they heard about our deviation
But you never looked so good
Wear the fake fur and fake paws for me
And put on your mystery
The way I feel you know
I'll never keep you waiting
In ultra-chrome, latex and steel

I plug you in
Dim the lights
Electric Barbarella
Your perfect skin
Plastic kiss
Electric Barbarella
Try to resist
Then we touch
Hallucinate and tranquilize

Princess of my dreams
Princess of my dreams
Major domo plasticomo Barbarella
(She's so fine)
Pro-genetic you Electric Barbarella
(She's all mine)
My pretty pretty pretty pretty Barbarella
 
tickledkitty said:
I think it would work, as long as you could program them to self-destruct when you got sick of them after, oh, maybe seven years.

Not necessaey. A robot can be upgraded. See my previous post.
 
I still don't see what the purpose of marrying one would be. It would be a machine that you own. It would already be "yours."

Here's another angle though. I think an aspect of working relationships is that you know this other person could be with someone else if they wanted to be, but they chose you. So you work on the relationship, work on yourself, etc., to keep this person interested and engaged, right? I wonder if the relationship with someone who is always devoted, where the guesswork has been removed, would be rewarding. I wonder if it would get boring after a while.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Wow....That beats the shit out of the Paper Bag I used on my X. :)

Ummm, Jenny, pasting on the faces of movie stars is a bit tacky here.
 
tickledkitty said:
I still don't see what the purpose of marrying one would be. It would be a machine that you own. It would already be "yours."

Here's another angle though. I think an aspect of working relationships is that you know this other person could be with someone else if they wanted to be, but they chose you. So you work on the relationship, work on yourself, etc., to keep this person interested and engaged, right? I wonder if the relationship with someone who is always devoted, where the guesswork has been removed, would be rewarding. I wonder if it would get boring after a while.

You're right, for most people it would get boring after a while. But some people don't want to have to deal with the complexities and challenges of a normal relationship. They want it to be easy to win the girl/boy and have them be devoted to them. They shy away from the tension, fear and uncertainty that comes from a real relationship when we wonder if our SOs really care about us, if they're cheating on us, why they haven't called, when or if we should call them.

People who have been in relationships for a few years are more comfortable with each other because they know more about each other and know what they can and cannot say or do around the person. But it's those first steps in a new relationship where you're trying to feel someone out and learn about them without doing something that will completely push them away that would make a robotic relationship that you could program much more appealing.

There's also the matter of the "re-set" button. For the sake of argument, let's say that you had robot spouses that had a full range of human emotions, including jealousy, anger, and the like. So if they caught you cheating or you made them angry or upset over something you did, you could simply push the re-set button and they would go back to being happy and loving and you could change the mistakes you made before so as not to upset them again.

Just some thoughts on the matter. Personally I think the idea of robot marriage is fucking stupid and I agree with the point made that society would have to recognize them as being equal with humans.
 
i think it gives new meaning to the original book I, Robot written by Isaac Asimov

It showed us a possible future of what the human race will look like.
 
ms.read said:
i think it gives new meaning to the original book I, Robot written by Isaac Asimov

It showed us a possible future of what the human race will look like.
Actually, MsRead, if you go back some years to Asimov's Caves of Steel, if I remember right, you'll find the robot detective, R-Danielle Olivah having sex with a female character. (Only in detictive Bailey's investigative conversation, not in a sex scene, however.)
 
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