Rip Sr71plt

[RoyceConnors]

Here's a nice new link about Clancy, too bad everyone they quoted was lying, right pilot? I mean you're in the know, and these people aren't.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/boo...cy-has-died/lCA6Ffx2Zr5oqb2Dgk2xvJ/story.html

Seems to be pretty authoritative in nature and quotes many sources of reference. I'd say you made your point that the man deserves his credit.

Now, can we pay our respects to the man and not dishonour him any further?

 

[sr71plt]

There's no reasoning with you guys anymore. You're hellbent on slash and burn. Believe whatever you damn well please. It doesn't affect reality one iota.

(And, by the way, that article belies nothing and confirms a good bit of what I posted.)

 

[RoyceConnors]

There's no reasoning with you guys anymore. You're hellbent on slash and burn. Believe whatever you damn well please. It doesn't affect reality one iota.

Cretin

 

[sr71plt]

Cretin

Yes, I think you've made it quite clear that you're having a tantrum.

 

[Catchalot]

There's no reasoning with you guys anymore. You're hellbent on slash and burn. Believe whatever you damn well please. It doesn't affect reality one iota.

In what way have you tried reasoning with anyone? I've posted two links to places that totally contradict everything you've said.

This woman also helped launch Stephen Coonts' career. Go ahead and call the below interview one big fat lie.

NEFF: Please tell us about your discovery of Tom Clancy.

DEBORAH: Tom Clancy was selling insurance when I received his unsolicited manuscript for The Hunt for Red October at the Naval Institute Press, where I was working as an acquisitions editor. NIP had recently made the decision to publish fiction, as long as the subject was "wet," that is, it had a maritime or naval setting or theme. I took the manuscript with me on vacation, read it at the beach, and loved it, with a few reservations. While Clancy was waiting for an answer from me, he would call and send funny letters. One of them had little boxes to check signifying my level of interest in his work, ranging from something like "This is the most stupendous manuscript ever" to "It's good enough to wrap dead fish in."

NEFF: What role did you play in editing his manuscript?

DEBORAH: I knew immediately that Clancy was a storyteller, and had a strong, assured voice, a sense of humor, and a fast-moving, intricate plot. His mastery of technology was amazing. But the story was bogged down by too much technological description and explanation, and the multiple, intertwined fast-moving time lines and scenes were occasionally confusing. I raised these issues with Clancy, and made suggestions where to cut, and suggested that he put in sub-heads indicating the time and date of the scenes. He agreed to revise and a few months later sent in a greatly improved, much tighter manuscript at least 100 pages shorter.

NEFF: Did you have to struggle to put it over the top at Naval Institute Press?

DEBORAH: Yes. The next hurdle was getting it read by our editorial director, Tom Epley, and two outside expert readers, both submariners. One of the readers loved the manuscript, but returned it with pages and pages of technical corrections. The other reader, however, came in with a strong recommendation not to publish, because he said there was "classified information" in the book. I asked why we couldn't simply delete this "classified information," but he said he was not willing to indicate where it was in the book because it was classified!

I was ultimately able to get around this by setting up a meeting with him and Clancy, during which Clancy convinced him that he'd had no access to classified information.

It took me some time to convince my boss to read it, and I wrote him a memo saying that we had a potential bestseller on our hands that we could lose any day to a big house in NY unless we acted quickly. It took a while, but once Tom read it, he was fully on board. and we were able to persuade our editorial board to make Hunt for Red October our first novel.

We were a small press and we'd taken on a first novel by an unknown author, but we put everything we had in terms of staff, time, and advertising dollars behind that book, even hiring an outside NY publicity outfit to help in its promotion. The book dominated all of our planning. We even decided to hold an auction before publication of the hardcover to try to get some early buzz. Only two publishers came to the auction (I also handled sub rights) and most of the other dozen or so didn't even bother to return my phone calls. But two did bid, and Berkeley ultimately bought paperback rights for $35,000.

We got the book out, and as I recall it did well the first few months, but it wasn't until our marketing staff got the book in the hands of a friend of Nancy Reagan, who then gave it to the Reagans, that everything took off. President Reagan read the book, said that it was "unputdownable," and we got this story out to all the news media. The story was picked up by Time magazine, then others, and before you knew it the snowball effect was in motion. We had a bestseller on our hands. I was ultimately able to sell the book into 21 different foreign languages, worked with a great Hollywood agent, Gary Salt, who helped make it into a major motion picture, and saw Hunt for Red October become one of the all time bestsellers of the 20th century. It was an experience of a lifetime for me.

NEFF: I'd say so! But I'm curious about a trivial matter. How did the term "techno-thriller" come about?

DEBORAH: As I recall, it was during one of our planning meetings that someone came up with the term "techno-thriller." I could be wrong about this, and perhaps the term existed before. But we were trying to come up with a term to classify it for booksellers, and it didn't seem to fit into any of the classifications currently in use. So this was the term we came up with and Clancy definitively defined it with this book.

NEFF: How do you account for the fact that other editors missed out on the qualities you recognized so readily?

DEBORAH: There are stories galore in this business of editors who have missed seeing the potential in books that later became huge successes. This is a very subjective business. My advantage was that I knew something of the audience for this kind of book having worked at NIP for several years, had access to knowledgeable readers who could advise on technical accuracy issues, and the submission timing was just right.

Based on what you've said, she has it all backwards.

Claiming I'm hell bent on burning you is a little self centered, don't you think? I'm defending an author, and you're slashing and burning him, for shits and giggles obviously, because you certainly don't have a shred of proof that I've seen.

 

[Catchalot]

Here pilot, lets add this link as well. You keep saying I won't look, and I just keep proving I have. The USNI seems to be lying too.

Of course to me, it looks like the guy did research and wrote a story.

http://news.usni.org/2013/10/02/tom-clancy-dies-66

 

[sr71plt]

I told you that you were perfectly free to pick your own choice of reality. God knows there's enough PR floating out there on issues like this.

The big difference here is that I just post from my own experience in the publishing industry; I'm not doing it to make Internet discussion board game points against anyone. You, of course, are perfectly free to ignore whatever I post and to feel hurt about it and lash out about it as you wish.

 

[RoyceConnors]

I told you that you were perfectly free to pick your own choice of reality. God knows there's enough PR floating out there on issues like this.

The big difference here is that I just post from my own experience in the publishing industry; I'm not doing it to make Internet discussion board game points against anyone. You, of course, are perfectly free to ignore whatever I post and to feel hurt about it and lash out about it as you wish.

Just post one, only one, of your references to back your claims. Just one. Your experience means nothing to me or anyone else, so put up or shut up.

As I stated clearly before, no one cares what your feelings are about the man, they just want to say farewell and thanks for the entertainment.

As for tantrums, you stood there like a sissy boy going on about your so called claims and called everyone idiots and stupid for not listening to you.

 

[Catchalot]

I told you that you were perfectly free to pick your own choice of reality. God knows there's enough PR floating out there on issues like this.

The big difference here is that I just post from my own experience in the publishing industry; I'm not doing it to make Internet discussion board game points against anyone. You, of course, are perfectly free to ignore whatever I post and to feel hurt about it and lash out about it as you wish.

I haven't lashed out at you? I'm defending a point of view, mine

You called me an idiot, you called me ignorant, you said I had an IQ of less than 50, (All comments made in general about anyone showing praise for Tom Clancy) and I could go on, but what for? People here can read, and people can defend you, I have no problem with that at all.

I will say thank you though, because I like Tom Clancy a whole lot more now that I know more about him.

Peace-

 

[PennLady]

No, I didn't think you'd bother to check it out for yourself--or to deign to acknowledge that I didn't just say it as my truth, but told people to check it out.

That doesn't suit your feeding frenzy--and you don't really want to know what you'd find out. It's just easier to misrepresent what I'm saying and to lay into me.

I'll be honest, I've googled a lot of phrases and haven't turned up anything like what you've said. I've found that Jim Sutton "worked closely" on HFRO, and several articles stating Larry Bond co-wrote RSR. If you can link to something stating what you did, about Clancy being spoon-fed the info, etc., you should. Telling people to check it out themselves is fine, but I'm not finding anything that backs it up, and you not providing a link casts a bit of doubt on the whole thing. If it's there, why won't you post a link? Or advise me on what terms to search for?

 

[JKendallDane]

(i am just following all of this because when the make-up sex finally happens, it is gonna be an awesome read i think!!! )

 

[Recidiva]

I'll be honest, I've googled a lot of phrases and haven't turned up anything like what you've said. I've found that Jim Sutton "worked closely" on HFRO, and several articles stating Larry Bond co-wrote RSR. If you can link to something stating what you did, about Clancy being spoon-fed the info, etc., you should. Telling people to check it out themselves is fine, but I'm not finding anything that backs it up, and you not providing a link casts a bit of doubt on the whole thing. If it's there, why won't you post a link? Or advise me on what terms to search for?

Logical Fallacy: Argument from Authority

Argument from authority (argumentum ad auctoritatem), also authoritative argument, appeal to authority, and false authority, is an inductive reasoning argument that often takes the form of a statistical syllogism. Although certain classes of argument from authority can constitute strong inductive arguments, the appeal to authority is often applied fallaciously.

Fallacious examples of using the appeal include:
cases where the authority is not a subject-matter expert
cases where there is no consensus among experts in the subject matter
any appeal to authority used in the context of deductive reasoning.

sr71plt is made of Argument from Authority.

In this case, he may even be an authority in reality, but it lacks evidence and consensus.

It is also argument from asshole in the context of being a discussion of the man's life and appreciation of his work. And I consider that to be the first and foremost concern.

 

[Recidiva]

(i am just following all of this because when the make-up sex finally happens, it is gonna be an awesome read i think!!! )

*takes two steps back quickly*

They volunteer.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll be honest, I've googled a lot of phrases and haven't turned up anything like what you've said. I've found that Jim Sutton "worked closely" on HFRO, and several articles stating Larry Bond co-wrote RSR. If you can link to something stating what you did, about Clancy being spoon-fed the info, etc., you should. Telling people to check it out themselves is fine, but I'm not finding anything that backs it up, and you not providing a link casts a bit of doubt on the whole thing. If it's there, why won't you post a link? Or advise me on what terms to search for?

I've sent you a PM. Not caring much about the jackals here on this.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wonder how many times Pilot's stubborn pride will keep him bumping this one to the top of the forum.

 

[sr71plt]

Why would I want to bump this up to the top, LC--did you discern that I would be pleased with the thread? (If you think it was a win for me, I'm pleased).

I'd think it obvious that you're one who would like to bump it up to the top.

(Incidentally, if you bothered to keep track of me once you had ferreted out who I was a couple of years ago, you'd know what I PM'd to PL--but you're just interested in attacking, not in evidence that doesn't support your agenda.)

 

[lovecraft68]

Right on cue

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, you sure are.

But, yes, now we're getting back to me liking the thread high on the board, so bump away.

 

[lovecraft68]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=49136949#post49136949

 

[autoplot]

Surely I can't be the only one who doesn't give a tin shit who claims to be a big shot, ex-spy, tough badass, saintly philanthropist, old salty dog, bestselling author, or Jesus Christ incarnate on this board.

The permanent, drunken Thanksgiving brawl continues.

 

[Recidiva]

Surely I can't be the only one who doesn't give a tin shit who claims to be a big shot, ex-spy, tough badass, saintly philanthropist, old salty dog, bestselling author, or Jesus Christ incarnate on this board.

The permanent, drunken Thanksgiving brawl continues.

Dear Diary,

Nobody learned anything today.

Love,

Reci

 

[lovecraft68]

Surely I can't be the only one who doesn't give a tin shit who claims to be a big shot, ex-spy, tough badass, saintly philanthropist, old salty dog, bestselling author, or Jesus Christ incarnate on this board.

The permanent, drunken Thanksgiving brawl continues.

Nope, I'm sure you're not

And that attitude is what makes the net a great place for Pilot. It doesn't matter if people roll their eyes at every whopper of a lie because to someone that deluded they think no response means people believe him.

I like to be the itch that always tells him otherwise.

Sorry if that ticks people off, but everyone has fun in their own way.

 

[sr71plt]

So, who is it who keeps bumping this thread up?

I don't see why citing backgrounds is all that necessary here either. But, in my case, it's LC who keeps citing my background, not me. Doesn't make it an iota less true, of course.

I did enjoy your exchange with Freddie on this thread, LC. Bet that came as a surprise to you.