Riddle me this Lib’s

[TikkaT3]

Dems first said it will take $1 trillion to set up and run a universal healthcare program.


Then Max Baucus, a Dem, comes up with a plan that has no public option and still costs $856 Billion.


1. He is going to get about $409 billion of that by cutting out wasteful spending in Medicare.


So here are my questions

1. Why are they waiting to pass this bill to stop the approx $409 billion in wasteful spending in Medicare?


2. $1 trillion – $865 billion is $144 billion. So why are we talking about a $1 trillion plan that, according the numbers the Dems are using, could be paid for by fixing the waste in Medicare and still leave $265 billion ($409 billion-$144 billion=$265 billion) in savings ?


3. If according to your own parties numbers, a public option can be funded with $144 billion what was the rest of the money for?


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[pointless]

shut the fuck up, you boring cunt.

 

[KRCummings]

Dems first said it will take $1 trillion to set up and run a universal healthcare program.


Then Max Baucus, a Dem, comes up with a plan that has no public option and still costs $856 Billion.


1. He is going to get about $409 billion of that by cutting out wasteful spending in Medicare.


So here are my questions

1. Why are they waiting to pass this bill to stop the approx $409 billion in wasteful spending in Medicare?


2. $1 trillion – $865 billion is $144 billion. So why are we talking about a $1 trillion plan that, according the numbers the Dems are using, could be paid for by fixing the waste in Medicare and still leave $265 billion ($409 billion-$144 billion=$265 billion) in savings ?


3. If according to your own parties numbers, a public option can be funded with $144 billion what was the rest of the money for?


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This is really dumb. You can't possibly compare the bills by numbers alone.

 

[TikkaT3]

shut the fuck up, you boring cunt.

Can't answer the question? To hard for you?

 

[Liar]

2. $1 trillion – $865 billion is $144 billion. So why are we talking about a $1 trillion plan that, according the numbers the Dems are using, could be paid for by fixing the waste in Medicare and still leave $265 billion ($409 billion-$144 billion=$265 billion) in savings ?

That's the numbers Max Bacchus are using, the ones from his faux "bipartisan" bill that no repub will vote for. He's a bit of a.. what's the word... oh yeah, moron.

Oh, and a public option doesn't cost all that much money. It's not tax subsidized health care funding. It's an insurance company, but goverment owned. Financed by those who buy it's insurances. Supposedly, at least.

So that isn't going to be what affects the total cost for a health care plan. Bacchus' bill is cutting back on other stuff that makes it cheaper.

 

[pointless]

Can't answer the question? To hard for you?

too. the word you're looking for is too.

moron.

 

[TikkaT3]

too. the word you're looking for is too.

moron.

Can't answer the question so you attack the poster. Why don't you make yourself useful and post some lyrics?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Non-starter

If Joe has 500 apples and Mary has 300 apples, how many total oranges do they have?

Seriously, Baucus' plan is a non-starter. It fucks the middle class and enriches Baucus' insurance company campaign donors. It'll never make it out of committee.

It's "Junk Insurance".

 

[Luk]

Can't answer the question so you attack the poster. Why don't you make yourself useful and post some lyrics?

Lyrics to good songs are far better than the crap you post.

You tried to make logic out of the numbers you came across. It simply doesn't work.

 

[pointless]

Can't answer the question so you attack the poster. Why don't you make yourself useful and post some lyrics?

i have no interest in answering the question because the poster is an idiot.

 

[TikkaT3]

You all take this place way too serious.

 

[MechaBlade]

Dems first said it will take $1 trillion to set up and run a universal healthcare program.


Then Max Baucus, a Dem, comes up with a plan that has no public option and still costs $856 Billion.


1. He is going to get about $409 billion of that by cutting out wasteful spending in Medicare.


So here are my questions

1. Why are they waiting to pass this bill to stop the approx $409 billion in wasteful spending in Medicare?


2. $1 trillion – $865 billion is $144 billion. So why are we talking about a $1 trillion plan that, according the numbers the Dems are using, could be paid for by fixing the waste in Medicare and still leave $265 billion ($409 billion-$144 billion=$265 billion) in savings ?


3. If according to your own parties numbers, a public option can be funded with $144 billion what was the rest of the money for?


???????

Who the fuck is Max Baucus and why should I care about his numbers?

 

[Sonny Limatina]

You all take this place way too serious.

That could be the reason nobody answered your question.

But I bet with a little effort you could come up with three or four more likely ones.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Who the fuck is Max Baucus and why should I care about his numbers?

Head of Senate Finance Committee. Proposed a new health bill designed in theory to attract republican support (since at least one of them--cough, cough, Olympia Snowe--is needed to pass health care reform), in practice meant to keep blue dog democrats on board.

Everyone's getting a little skittish about the "spend spend spend" charges these days...

 

[MechaBlade]

Head of Senate Finance Committee. Proposed a new health bill designed in theory to attract republican support (since at least one of them--cough, cough, Olympia Snowe--is needed to pass health care reform), in practice meant to keep blue dog democrats on board.

Everyone's getting a little skittish about the "spend spend spend" charges these days...

I don't see the point in a universal health care plan without a public option. I actually don't get what it would be without the public option.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

I don't see the point in a universal health care plan without a public option. I actually don't get what it would be without the public option.

I was at the DMV this week. A long line out the door that most people had to take off work to stand in.

The woman two in front of me said the man in front of me, "This is what we have to look forward to when the government takes over our health care."

That's why there can no longer be a public option. Not because it's not needed or smart or better, but because Obama's already ceded the PR war on it by allowing "Government takeover" to take root months before he made his own pitch.

Now they just have to get SOMETHING passed to save his ass, and worry about how to make it work better after the fact.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Obama says there won't be an rationing while at the same time this morning's news shows us his over-riding motive in pissing off our allies and letting Russia win on the missile shield issue was to save money, not efficacy...

Everything he says is based upon the mantra, better, smaller, cheaper, and when it comes to something like health care, you're certainly going to get what you pay for and it's certainly boing to end up the same or worse, bigger, and more expensive.

There will always be rationing, the only difference between Barack and the free market is that under the free market the lazy bums get rationed care while under Democrat-Leftist control it will be the people who pay the premiums/bills, the ones who work hard and contribute who get the rationing based upon the whims of a 51% majority who don't pay any income taxes but think in their black little hearts that the rich should just so they can enjoy the fruits of hard labor.

And the best response that 51% will ever have is ad hominem attacks, evasion and misdirection, never clearly thought-put answers to questions because they have no way to justify their looting other than whiney, plaintive, emotional appeals about greed, need, pride and prejudice...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

PS - In response to your * T...





Apostrophes do not indicate plural, makes you look uneducated.





* In your shooting thread.

 

[Wok]

Dems first said it will take $1 trillion to set up and run a universal healthcare program.


Then Max Baucus, a Dem, comes up with a plan that has no public option and still costs $856 Billion.


1. He is going to get about $409 billion of that by cutting out wasteful spending in Medicare.


So here are my questions

1. Why are they waiting to pass this bill to stop the approx $409 billion in wasteful spending in Medicare?


2. $1 trillion – $865 billion is $144 billion. So why are we talking about a $1 trillion plan that, according the numbers the Dems are using, could be paid for by fixing the waste in Medicare and still leave $265 billion ($409 billion-$144 billion=$265 billion) in savings ?


3. If according to your own parties numbers, a public option can be funded with $144 billion what was the rest of the money for?


???????

Acorn.

Dummy.

 

[MechaBlade]

I was at the DMV this week. A long line out the door that most people had to take off work to stand in.

The woman two in front of me said the man in front of me, "This is what we have to look forward to when the government takes over our health care."

That's why there can no longer be a public option. Not because it's not needed or smart or better, but because Obama's already ceded the PR war on it by allowing "Government takeover" to take root months before he made his own pitch.

Now they just have to get SOMETHING passed to save his ass, and worry about how to make it work better after the fact.

The DMV has no competitors.

 

[firespin]

The DMV has no competitors.

This is why the "public option" has people concerned. The federal government is both making the rules for private insurers (as the proposed bills specify what must be covered, and how they must charge for coverage), AND is offering its own health care plan.

The public option will either be worse than private plans, so no help, or better than private plans, so who would take a private plan?

Once private plans are unavailable, the need to have a good public option goes down, in this scenario, at least. "We need to all sacrifice and tighten our belts..." ya da ya da.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Who the fuck is Max Baucus and why should I care about his numbers?

I don't see the point in a universal health care plan without a public option. I actually don't get what it would be without the public option.

The DMV has no competitors.

Who's point are you trying to make?

Obama told his SEIU/ACORN allies that public option was his first small step towards government control of healthcare...
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Eric Hoffer

 

[firespin]

Expanding health care coverage for people costs federal budget dollars. If these people could pay for it today, they would. The only reason they will be covered in the future is they get subsidized rates, and penalties for failure to sign up.

The only way to pay for this is to raise taxes. You can't make the case that expanding health care is paid for by other "savings"...if we could make those savings today, we would have made them already.

Obama tried some negotiation / extortion / bribery with drug companies to have them reduce prices if the health care bill was somewhat less bad for them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062001939.html

Not sure if that's the approach we want to see from government. What's next? Shutting down car dealers who support Republicans?

 

[Pookie]

The public option will either be worse than private plans, so no help,

No help? Neat how you dismissed the benefit out of hand. Explain.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No help? Neat how you dismissed the benefit out of hand. Explain.

Do you love Walmart?