RFK & the Sxities

REDWAVE

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RFK & the Sixties

Watched the made-for-TV movie "RFK" last night. It had its good points and bad points, but what struck me the most about it was how badly American politics has degenerated since then. There's no major political figure even remotely resembling RFK around today. Liberalism has all but disappeared. We have two right-wing parties: one center-right, and one far right. (I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which!) The idealism and hopefulness of the '60's has been thoroughly beaten down.

The movie ends with RFK suddenly being gunned down just after winning the California primary. There is no doubt in my mind they had him killed. (Again, I'll let you figure out who "they" are.) He had just scored the biggest political victory of his career, and was well on the way to obtaining the Democratic nomination. He was immensely popular, and there's no doubt he would have wiped the floor with Tricky Dick. (Even the hapless Hubert Humphrey, with all the baggage of Vietnam and the 1968 Democratic National Convention, almost beat Nixon.) The only way they could stop him from becoming President was-- to have him murdered.

In fact, if you think about it, the whole mess we're in today can be traced back to four key political assassinations in the 1960's. JFK, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and finally Bobby. JFK was killed just when he was thinking of pulling out of Vietnam, and establishing friendlier relations with Castro. I don't want to get into the whole "grassy knoll" debate, but there's a ton of evidence which indicates Lee Harvey Oswald was (as he said himself) just a patsy, and very powerful forces were behind Kennedy's assassination. Malcolm X was killed by a Nation of Islam member, but the FBI was stirring them up behind the scenes-- that's been well documented. The U.S. government was responsible for Malcolm's murder. King was killed just after he came out against the war in Vietnam. There's no way drifter and loser James Earl Ray could have pulled that off alone. And the timing of RFK's death is so suspicious there's no way in hell it was just the crazed act of a "lone gunman." No-- these were all political assassinations, carried out by very powerful persons, as part of a deliberate program to crush the left in this country, and maintain the dominance of finance capital.

Need I even say that this nation would today be very different, much more egalitarian and much less militaristic, if Bobby Kennedy had been elected President in 1968, instead of the despicable Nixon? That we would all be a lot better off today if it were not for these four key political assassinations, which short-circuited the political process and betrayed the hopes and dreams of an entire generation?

Those who are old enough to actually remember the 1960's are especially invited to contribute to this thread, although youngsters who only know the '60's through the accounts of others are also welcome.

One day, and soon (I promise!), they will not be able to kill enough people to stop the needed changes from happening.
 
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"There's no major political figure even remotely resembling RFK around today."

There weren't any in the sixties, either!:rolleyes:

Rhumb
 
REDWAVE said:

"One day, and soon (I promise!), they will not be able to kill enough people to stop the needed changes from happening."

Princess Leah, Star Wars.

Am I right?
 
Typo

Damn-- I can't believe I didn't catch that typo! And now it's too late to correct it in the thread title.
 
Yeah, and the attempted assisination of Reagan by John Hinckley on March 30, 1981 was a conspiracy between Jimmy Carter and Ringo Star to get even with Republicans for the assisination of John Lennon in 1972.
 
BS

Well, now that we've got the stupid bullshit replies out of the way, hopefully there will also be some serious commentary.
 
REDWAVE said:
Well, now that we've got the stupid bullshit replies out of the way, hopefully there will also be some serious commentary.

Nigel Tufnil, Spinal Tap.

Am I right?
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:


Nigel Tufnil, Spinal Tap.

Am I right?

Now that had me laughing out loud - and perfect timing after your last post as well.
 
Easily amused

I guess anyone who thinks Crowley is a serious intellectual figure would be very easily amused.
 
Re: Easily amused

REDWAVE said:
I guess anyone who thinks Crowley is a serious intellectual figure would be very easily amused.

You shouldn't limit your intellectual figures so much. Crowely had a lot to say about society and human nature.

Marx and Trotsky weren't the only great intellectual figures you know.

There are hundreds of valuable resources on human thought. Some of them are college essays. Some of the are scientific texts. Some of them are religeous tomes. Some of them are comic books. Some of them are trade paperbacks. Don't go dismissing valuable insights just based on their medium.
 
What's the American Fascination with the Kennedys?
A bunch of Irish crooks, they are.
 
Re: BS

REDWAVE said:
Well, now that we've got the stupid bullshit replies out of the way, hopefully there will also be some serious commentary.

you'll have to wait for the pubs to close in london...
HIC...
 
Sillyman

I certainly agree that Marx and Trotsky are far from being the only serious intellectual figures. There are many others. I named a few of them in the Crowley thread. I just don't think Crowley deserves to be taken seriously. Some do.
 
ChilledVodka said:
What's the American Fascination with the Kennedys?
A bunch of Irish crooks, they are.

Yeah, slum lords and bootleggers to be precise.

Ishmael
 
The whiff of hypocrisy

Ah, yes, Ishmael, the champion of the poor. I've noticed the many times you've passionately declaimed against slumlords, and against rich exploiters of the poor in general.
 
Re: The whiff of hypocrisy

REDWAVE said:
Ah, yes, Ishmael, the champion of the poor. I've noticed the many times you've passionately declaimed against slumlords, and against rich exploiters of the poor in general.

Not my lifes calling. I don't support them, approve of them, or associate with them.

But isn't funny how the very victims of these people lionize them. Like the Kennedys. Isn't that a strange thing? Don't you think?

Ishmael
 
Texan said:
Yeah, and the attempted assisination of Reagan by John Hinckley on March 30, 1981 was a conspiracy between Jimmy Carter and Ringo Star to get even with Republicans for the assisination of John Lennon in 1972.

Why whenever there's an attempt at having a serious discussion about possibilities and probabilities and you personally don't like the drift of the topic, you come up with some inane comment like that?

I know you can think. Try it now and then...

ppman
 
Hi, ppman!

Come on now, peeps, you know Texan is just doing his job, which is to try to confuse and disorient the masses and prevent them from gaining the consciousness they need to liberate themselves. I'm just not sure which nefarious agency he works for.

Just got back from a forum about the "Patriot" Act and the police state threat in the U.S. There was actually a pretty good turnout for that kind of thing, about 30 or 40 people.

Anyway, doesn't anyone besides me remember the '60's and how different the political climate was then? Or has it gone down the memory hole? (Q: what literary work is that an allusion to?)
 
p_p_man said:


Why whenever there's an attempt at having a serious discussion about possibilities and probabilities and you personally don't like the drift of the topic, you come up with some inane comment like that?

I know you can think. Try it now and then...

ppman

ppman..... REDWAVE's opening post on this thread contains much more fiction and fantasy than my post. My post was obvious sarcasm without any expectation that anyone would take my post as truth. REDWAVE's post was just as full of BS, but he actually expects "thinking" people to believe it.

If you could think clearly, you would see that.
 
It is awfully easy to say in hindsight that JFk, and RFK were the best political leaders this country has ever had. But I've always wondered if history had not played out the way it did, and they had lived, would we still view them as such?

If either of the Kennedys had been president in the 90's the press would have exposed their numerous affairs, links to organized crime, and many cover ups of much greater importance than Nixon ever thought of. For some reason, history does not like to remember these things where the Kennedys are involved.
 
Texan said:


ppman..... REDWAVE's opening post on this thread contains much more fiction and fantasy than my post. My post was obvious sarcasm without any expectation that anyone would take my post as truth. REDWAVE's post was just as full of BS, but he actually expects "thinking" people to believe it.

If you could think clearly, you would see that.


Yeah, Redwave is a puzzle. Clearly he thinks and he writes fairly well. The fact that he thinks and expresses himself well are completely inconsistent with his stated beliefs. That's why I think he's just here playing games and generally I ignore him.

This is the first time I think I've posted something troll-like. It's kinda fun, but I won't make a habit of it.
 
cybergirly1989 said:
It is awfully easy to say in hindsight that JFk, and RFK were the best political leaders this country has ever had. But I've always wondered if history had not played out the way it did, and they had lived, would we still view them as such?

If either of the Kennedys had been president in the 90's the press would have exposed their numerous affairs, links to organized crime, and many cover ups of much greater importance than Nixon ever thought of. For some reason, history does not like to remember these things where the Kennedys are involved.

uhoh this will cause an unpleasant ripple in how we should remember those that were conspired against.
 
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