Revirginization

[Endlessly]

I was talking with my friend, a reverend, about how fucked up my life has been lately.. I told him most, not all, of the sexual 'sins' I've been involved with lately. He said "Let's pray about it," so I'm like, sure, okay, whatever. I didn't realize what he had in mind.

Did you know that there is an actual revirginization ceremony? It's usually used for people becoming priests or someting, most popular in the catholic church when widows or sluts want to become nuns. But as I listened to my friend the reverend pray for me, I heard him ask God to make my body as pure as my mind (*snort*), soul, and love for Him. And then he asked me if I wanted forgiveness for my sins and if I was truly repentitent; of course I was going to say yes. So then he smiled at me and prayed a little more and then told me I was a virgin again in the eyes of God, and that by my contrite nature I had pledged to God to remain pure for him until marriage, that it was the only way to ensure my.. dunno.. sanctification as a holy vessel.

I mean, it's cool my sins are forgiven and all that.. But, damn. If that was a sin, it was the most anticipated and
well-thought-out sin of my life. I worked damned hard to lose my virginity, and all of a sudden it's back again? What's up with that?

 

[Expertise]

I'd like you to meet your tour guide and interpreter for todays journey to hades.

Flagg meet Endlessly, Endlessly...Flagg

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Endlessly, you are the living embodiement of every man's fantasy -- the Madonna/Whore. I have no idea what to say to you. I want to tell you to bag your guilt and explore the sexual appetites you seem to want to explore. But, on the other hand, I want to tell you to find rapture with God and shun the sins of the flesh.

I also want to pop your re-deposited cherry because, well, I'm a guy an we're evil and that's all there is to that.

Wish I could help you, sweetie. I think you're on a journey at the end of which only you can help you.

Love.

 

[Endlessly]

*hugs Dixon* Thanks, sweetie.. 'living embodiment of every man's fantasy?' Can I put that down as a testimonial? *impish grin*

I should print up flyers..


ANYway. I'm interested to see what people think of this from both a realistic and theological standpoint.. I mean, if someone asks if I'm a virgin, how do I respond? And are my duties to remain celibate valid even though I never distinctly said I would.. It was just sort of implied by my desire to repent. And since I never distinctly TOLD him he could reinstate my virginity, is this the opposite of date rape?

Oi...

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

If in the eyes of God you can committ adultery in your heart, you can also lie in your heart. And by not saying to the Priest, "Hold on there Kingfisher!" you pretty much agreed to what he said you agreed to. So you are forgiven, but go, ye, and sin no more.

When my son was baptised I refused to say the speech about "rejecting Satan" (where I'm doing the speaking for my son) because I don't believe in Satan, and I wouldn't let anyone else say it because it bothered me so much. (As for why I allowed my son to be baptised -- because I believe in an upbringing that includes a moral model. I even read the Bible to my son. How's that for a New Age Atheist?) I also don't allow the teachers in the church to discuss or frighten him with the concept of the Devil. (He's too young. Only five.)

So I'm big on meaning and intention. Do you plan on having sex again outside of marriage? If so, I think you have a problem here. Of course, the size of the problem will have to be measured by just how much stock you place in this whole "revirginization" process, which I'm fairly sure you won't find in the Acts of the Apostles. You can assume that it's an invention of man, and not a "sacrament" (which were also invented by men, but we won't go there). How much value do you place on the revirginization ceremony?

Obviously this is a spiritual distinction, not a biological one, so, no, you're not a Virgin, no matter how much Holy Water you swim in.

It seems to me that you're worried about what you've just "promised", and what happen if you break that promise. I'm guessing God took your silence as a promise. Do you see it that way?

 

[Patryn]

Don't get me started on religion, hon.

I'm cool with whatever someone wants to believe, as long as they don't try to get me to believe it, which I know you're not doing. I'm about the last person you want to ask about religion though. Though I consider myself spiritual, I am not religious. I was raised Catholic, and if there's, IMHO, ever been a bigger crock, I don't know what it is.

Everything's a sin!! You do anything that's natural and human, like exploring sexuality, it's a sin. Even if you don't do it, if you think it it's a sin. You're born with sin. How is that possible??? You just pop out of the chute, and already you suck?

Catholicism asks those who follow it to fight biology. Thinking about sex is normal, so is masturbating, even if you wait to have a partner until marriage. So everyone is a sinner. There is NO WAY you can't not think about sex at some point in your life.

I have no love for anything that tells me what to think. So coming back to your point, Endlessy, I would say no, you are not a virgin. Your body is not virginal (and I say that in the physical/medical sense) and though you can make a decision not to have sex again until you're married, it can't be undone. This "revirginization" ceremony is just another excuse by religions so that people who make mistakes don't have to take responsibility for them (and I'm not saying you've made a mistake or you don't take responsibiltity for it if you feel you did) but for every "sin" there seems to be a way out of it, too.

JMO, please don't feel offended. I have nothing against YOU Endlessy, you've been great to me.

 

[BeautyBabe]

Virginity's like a balloon...

...one prick and it's gone!

Isn't there some operation that re-stitchs your hymen?

NOT that I'm suggesting you go for it, Endlessly! Just DCL and Patryn's comments about spiritual v physical virginity made me think of it. I mean, WHY?! Pap smears are bad enough!

 

[Gaucho]

I mean, it's cool my sins are forgiven and all that.. But, damn. If that was a sin, it was the most anticipated and
well-thought-out sin of my life. I worked damned hard to lose my virginity, and all of a sudden it's back again? What's up with that?

Oy Vey! There are certain things in life that you can't go back from and losing the big "V" is one of them. Although, in an unrelated sidebar, any number of midwives and doctors will tell you that they've had to break a hymen to deliver a baby so, who knows....

What this reminds me of, growing up as a Catholic before Vatican II and being educated by the priests and nuns during my oh-so-formative years, is the sacrament of Extreme Unction or what we commonly refer to today as the "Last Rites". When I was a child, I was taught that if a priest got to you before you died and heard your confession, and as long as you were truly sorry for all your sins, then your sins would be forgiven and you would gain entrance to Heaven.

Now, you talk about your no-brainers! I don't care what I'd done (and remember I was still a kid, so it couldn't have been that bad) I guarantee you that I would be truly (cross my heart and hope to die, stick a needle in my eye) sorry for everything I'd done that might even remotely be considered a sin. Man, I would confess to things I hadn't done if I thought it would help! The only tricky part was making sure you were near a priest whenever you were in jeapordy. There were days when I'd hang around the church just in case.....

Seriously, if there is a God in Heaven (a personal God, that is - one that you can have a relationship with) then he/she/it (choose your noun) already knows what you've done and how you feel about it. What has this revirginization ceremony done to change that? I mean, if there is a God up there and He doesn't know what's in my heart, what good is He? The fact that you are not sure how you feel about it doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, part of the reason you are here is to figure out how you feel about this and other things, and it's a long and often painful process.

You weren't given that incredible brain just so you could let it turn to mush.

Honey, if it walks like a duck.
and flies like a duck
and quacks like a duck
It's probably been fucked -- I mean, it's probably a duck. No, that's not right.

Oh, fuck a duck. DCL, where are you when I need you?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

That's "Viaduct".

 

[gatherer]

If it's not broken, try try again

The guidance you received is the current religious response. An ex-friend of mine followed the same advise.
she was a virgin then she wasn't a virgin, then she was
a virgin. Her original intercourse wasn't great, so I think it was a way to let the memory go, plus it really put a head trip on the guy. He coulda sworn... hey wait, didn't we? I think it worked until the next second original intercourse, which caused her a repeat headtrip for something which she had dealt with originaly years before, "why o why".
So, if you enoyed the psych stuff that accompanied the first time.

Getting shot the first time you scream, "ouch, that fucking hurt."
Getting shot the second time you scream , "shit, I should have seen that coming."

 

[Never]

It's good to know I'm not the boards only active virgin. However, I'm a bit skeptical at this point. Does praying take away the memory? The sensation? You can't erase an event you can only accept it and move on.

Here I'm working so hard to get rid of mine and you're working so hard to get yours back. Makes one have reason for pause. As things stand now I'll never be able to get married, so confusing. Hmm, yep, Endlessly is every guy's fantasy and one gal's. Though, while I like Madonna I don't see the connection between the two.