Request for a definitive statement on HTML tags, and maybe...?

Porlock

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I've had a couple of stories bounced because I had some unacceptable HTML tags in them. That's fine; I'm not complaining at all. However, when I tried to find some official information about that, I couldn't find a really authoritative source. I searched these forums and found some posts on the subject that seemed pretty confident, but they didn't exactly agree, and in any case, depending on forum posts for official information is dicey unless you can be certain they really do come from an official source and not just a user posting a very confidently-worded opinion.

The bounce says:

"We allow bolds, italics, underlines, and centered text. We do not do indentation, font face changes, or font color changes. Please remove all such HTML tags, repaste the fixed story into this form, then hit SUBMIT."

This statement seems pretty clear (although you must first submit a story that gets rejected for unacceptable HTML to see it). Yet this post http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=19844938&postcount=2 says that <blockquote> is OK too. In any case, even though it has an official kind of ring to it, it's still just a forum post that might be accurate, and might not.


It's very understandable that Literotica would want to stick to a particular look and feel and prevent overenthusiastic HTML-jockeys (which includes me sometimes, but not here) from turning story postings into their ideas of graphic splendor, or injecting broken HTML and all the browser pathologies that might provoke. On the other hand, HTML in submissions has a lot of advantages: unlike word-processor files, which require a lot of crunching overhead, and formatting requests in Notes requiring editors to manually process them, plain text is the simplest, fastest and lowest-overhead format for submission, and when such submissions include some HTML tags, all the site software has to do is detect unapproved tags, which is nearly trivial in both up-front programming and runtime overhead.

What would be great is something easy to find right up front, preferably in either the official Submission Guidelines (http://www.literotica.com/subguide.shtml) or the related FAQ (http://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml) that spells out exactly what HTML is considered OK, and also what to do when a particular story has an unusual need that some unapproved HTML might satisfy.

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In the story that was just rejected for HTML problems, it looks like the offending HTML tag was probably <hr/>, which puts a horizontal line across the page at that point. I think that would be a good one to approve. Stories often have distinct breaks in the flow, or other natural interruptions. Typically they are handled, if they are at all, by something like I did here above, with that short row of equal signs. Some use dashes, or asterisks, but the idea is the same, to show that there is some kind of boundary there, either a jump in the timeline, a change of location, or focus, or something else a writer wants to clearly mark.

The <hr/> tag is designed for just those cases. Unlike HTML, like font face or color changes or unusual formatting, this tag only draws a hairline across the page at the place where it's located. It has no global impact anywhere else. I suggest it be considered acceptable.
 
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If you use anything but the italics HTML here (even though a few more are possible) you aren't writing a story, you're trying to design a book.

The uniform look here is standard for Interneted story sites and is what readers are used to seeing.

If you submitted it to a publisher, they wouldn't want anything more than italics and block quotes from you either. They design the books; the authors don't.
 
I have to agree with you Porlock, I am in a similar situation and would like to know what HTML tags are acceptable on Literotica. Personally I can understand not allowing certain tags such as <script></script> that could run potentially damaging code, not allowing <a href=""> </a> due to linking to potentially malicious sites or <img src=""/> linking to material that might be considered obscene under law. Nonetheless tags that I am interested in knowing about includes if <p> </p> and other paragraph formatting tags are acceptable. At least from my experience using text file format (*.txt) on Literotica when submitting a story, sometimes spacing between lines becomes an issue when you click preview and I loose the line breaks between paragraphs. As someone who is comfortable using HTML I would rather use HTML tags to correct the issue instead of going through line by line and pressing enter to fix the problem. From my perspective, I would rather get it right the first time by knowing exactly what tags are acceptable instead of having the story rejected then spending time on Literotica reading various sources in order to determine what tags might be reason for the story being rejected.
 
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<p> Isn't allowed, though I've never seen the preview not match the final with regards to this. In fact, I use the preview to make sure that none of my line breaks are missing.

The list of allowed tags is as follows:

<b> ( Bold )
<i> ( Italic )
<center>
<blockquote>

<a href= Links actually are allowed, provided that they point to a location on Literotica.com. This can be the previous story in a series, another author on the site you want to credit, the homepage, etc. It's best for such things to be at the top of the story, where they're easily seen right from the get-go.

You can also use HTML special characters. Things such as — ♠ -- though you have to be careful, as the font for preview is different from the final font, which can break some of these. The diamonds suit is a perfect example, because it displays in the preview font, but not on the final posting.

I'm personally in agreement that the <hr> tag is something we could use. In fact, I would suggest having the system automatically change 3 or 4 *s to a HR tag, as this is the most common means of marking scene breaks. The CSS could easily tweak the HRs to make sure they're all consistent and look good with Lit's formatting.

-> Links in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/lst3k-ep-01-the-tale-of-benjamin ( author's note at beginning )

-> Blockquote in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/ebon-genesis?page=7 ( about halfway down )

-> HTML special characters in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/to-catch-a-merchant-princess-ch-01 ( scene breaks )

I'll take Weird Harold's word for it that Underline is allowed, although I've never seen a need for it, and thus never used it. That's the only reason I don't include it in the list.
 
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<p> Isn't allowed, though I've never seen the preview not match the final with regards to this. In fact, I use the preview to make sure that none of my line breaks are missing.

The list of allowed tags is as follows:

<b> ( Bold )
<i> ( Italic )
<center>
<blockquote>

<a href= Links actually are allowed, provided that they point to a location on Literotica.com. This can be the previous story in a series, another author on the site you want to credit, the homepage, etc. It's best for such things to be at the top of the story, where they're easily seen right from the get-go.

You can also use HTML special characters. Things such as — ♠ -- though you have to be careful, as the font for preview is different from the final font, which can break some of these. The diamonds suit is a perfect example, because it displays in the preview font, but not on the final posting.

I'm personally in agreement that the <hr> tag is something we could use. In fact, I would suggest having the system automatically change 3 or 4 *s to a HR tag, as this is the most common means of marking scene breaks. The CSS could easily tweak the HRs to make sure they're all consistent and look good with Lit's formatting.

-> Links in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/lst3k-ep-01-the-tale-of-benjamin ( author's note at beginning )

-> Blockquote in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/ebon-genesis?page=7 ( about halfway down )

-> HTML special characters in use: http://www.literotica.com/s/to-catch-a-merchant-princess-ch-01 ( scene breaks )

I'll take Weird Harold's word for it that Underline is allowed, although I've never seen a need for it, and thus never used it. That's the only reason I don't include it in the list.

Thanks Darkniciad that reply is helpful.

At some point, I will try to replicate the issue I had with lines not being preserved in a text file format and if I am able to replicate it again I will contact Literotica to let them know the issue since I now know that it not suppose to happen. In Word 2003 there are options as to how you want to save your text file that includes inserting line breaks, how to end lines (CR/LF, CR only, LF only, LF/CR) and character substitution. I am not sure what options, if any, I had selected that might have cause the issue. Nonetheless, I did spend somewhere between 30 - 60 minutes pressing enter to create the breaks then pressing preview to ensure that line breaks were properly placed and then going back to fix any line breaks that I might have missed.
 
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Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that the preview was showing line breaks, and that the final story didn't

One way you can likely overcome this is to copy/paste directly from the document into the box. If you need to insert formatting tags for italics or something, you can do that directly in the doc ( or save it as storytitle-formatted.doc or something ). Spell check will have a fit, but screw it :p

Word will usually copy/paste without flaw, and that should eliminate the problem of worrying about settings or having to correct line breaks in preview.

Any other program... not so much. Lit's text processor seems to be designed with Word as its base, and any other program can cough up a hairball if it deviates from the way Word does things.
 
blockquote still allowed

Hooray for reviving a 9 year old thread! Can anyone confirm if <blockquote> works? I'm previewing my story for submission, and <blockquote> is not working. The html tag is stripped where it is rendered on the page, and if I inspect the html I can see the <blockquote> tag recognised - it ought to be rendering it. So I think it's just the styling on the preview page itself that causes content inside <blockquote> to be indistinguishable from the rest?

I noticed that the example given in this thread for <blockquote> still renders properly. Does that neccessarily mean that mine will too, even though it's not reflected in the preview?

As a side note, is handling the formatting in html, and pasting it straight into the submission window, the preferred submission technique for the site editors? (as opposed to attaching a formatted word doc?) I painstakingly added at least 100 <i> tags throughout my story in the hope that I would be sparing someone else the trouble of formatting it for submission.
 
Hooray for reviving a 9 year old thread! Can anyone confirm if <blockquote> works? I'm previewing my story for submission, and <blockquote> is not working. The html tag is stripped where it is rendered on the page, and if I inspect the html I can see the <blockquote> tag recognised - it ought to be rendering it. So I think it's just the styling on the preview page itself that causes content inside <blockquote> to be indistinguishable from the rest?

I noticed that the example given in this thread for <blockquote> still renders properly. Does that neccessarily mean that mine will too, even though it's not reflected in the preview?

As a side note, is handling the formatting in html, and pasting it straight into the submission window, the preferred submission technique for the site editors? (as opposed to attaching a formatted word doc?) I painstakingly added at least 100 <i> tags throughout my story in the hope that I would be sparing someone else the trouble of formatting it for submission.

While the example still works as it's already inside the system, the question is if such input is still accepted. Since I saw some tags (em - for italics, strong - for bold, a - links, special characters) directly rendered in the preview, I guess, if it doesn't work anymore, it's gone out of fashion...but try and tell us if it still works after you have it submitted.

P.S.: I assume and really hope for the editors that there's a script that converts formatting inside a .doc into HTML tags in a more convenient way than doing it by hand. But any work that is already done is probably most welcome and rewarded with faster publishing. It's not much difference whether you click the italics button or directly place the tags, is it?
 
It's not much difference whether you click the italics button or directly place the tags, is it?

Thanks, I will post again to let you know if it worked.

As for doing tags while writing, I didn't mind for this story since I did it that way from the start. As a typist it's irrelevant compared to the time I spend deciding what to write. It is of course very tedious to do on a phone, but it's not like I would write a great deal from the old gizmo. Tip for anyone who does though: keep the <i></i> copied to clipboard!
 
Hooray for reviving a 9 year old thread! Can anyone confirm if <blockquote> works? I'm previewing my story for submission, and <blockquote> is not working. The html tag is stripped where it is rendered on the page, and if I inspect the html I can see the <blockquote> tag recognised - it ought to be rendering it. So I think it's just the styling on the preview page itself that causes content inside <blockquote> to be indistinguishable from the rest?

I noticed that the example given in this thread for <blockquote> still renders properly. Does that neccessarily mean that mine will too, even though it's not reflected in the preview?

As a side note, is handling the formatting in html, and pasting it straight into the submission window, the preferred submission technique for the site editors? (as opposed to attaching a formatted word doc?) I painstakingly added at least 100 <i> tags throughout my story in the hope that I would be sparing someone else the trouble of formatting it for submission.

I messed around with a test sample and never could get an actual blockquote. It provided the line spacing but it always aligned full left. As this 'full left' is the Lit standard for all other text, makes me think maybe the "Lit blockquote" is not the usual indented style I'm expecting? I finally gave up trying.
 
a rather late reply I daresay, but here is a story I posted where the block quote can be seen on the first page for portraying text messages received on a phone. It didn't look right in the preview, but I'm happy with how it renders when published. Note that an extra line break renders before it starts, the text I entered just had the blockquote paragraph with a normal single line break before and after.

https://literotica.com/s/stephanie-unmasked-pt-03
 
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