Republicans make for really shitty historians

[Perfectly_shaped_buttocks]

I recently attended a family reunion at my uncle's house and was very quickly reminded why I usually avoid family reunions.

Most of my grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. are Republicans and during the time I was forced to associate with them I was subjected to the following historic revisionism:

1. The Great Depression began under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
2. Social Security was created by Ike Eisenhower.
3. Ronald Reagan created more jobs than any other six presidents combined.
4. Bill Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden on a silver platter, but he refused to arrest Osama.
5. The 9/11 terror attacks occurred during the Obama administration.
6. Hurricane Katrina also occurred during the Obama administration.
7. The policy of separating little Latino children and Latino babies from their parents and locking them up in concentration camps began during the Obama administration.
8. Hitler was a lefty socialist who took mandatory prayer out of the schools, enacted strict gun control laws and appointed gay people to high positions of power in the military and the federal government.

None of this shit is true, but the Republicans in my family are so utterly brainwashed, they refuse all of my efforts to educate them on actual history.

 

[YDB95]

You and Dumpington are related? Why didn't you tell us?

 

[Schlank]

I've got family that spew bullshit like this as well. My mother still claims that Hillary Clinton killed Seth Rich.

 

[SecretSapphic]

So, I have a Great Aunt who seems to believe in DAMN NEAR EVERY CONSPIRACY THEORY ON THE PLANET.

She complains that the federal government won't tell us THE TRUTH about the pyramids that they found underneath the ice in Antarctica. Apparently melted ice has revealed pyramids underneath the ice in Antarctica and John Kerry and Barack Obama have both been to Antarctica and seen them, but they refuse to tell the American people what's down there.

Her next conspiracy theory is that Global Warming isn't real, and that the Earth is actually in a COOLING PERIOD, because the SUN IS GOING TO SLEEP! She also says that Al Gore is trying to make billions of dollars off of the "Global Warming Scam".

I've tried pointing out that her first conspiracy theory about the pyramids being discovered underneath the melting ice of Antarctica makes no sense if the planet is getting colder. Thousands of years of ice buildup only melt if the planet is getting HOTTER, however, she doesn't care. She refuses to abandon any of her conspiracy theories, even if some of her conspiracy theories contradict other conspiracy theories.

 

[Ziggins]

Americans are shitty historians, starting with the shitty history classes in school. Kids are taught isolated facts and events, instead of general trends and patterns.

 

[Ireadforpleasure]

My grandparents are Republicans. They claim that George Soros secretly runs all of the world's banks and most of the world's governments (including the U.S. government). They tell me that Trump is some sort of hero for standing up to Soros.

I'm not sure where they got this idea, however, they do watch an awful lot of Fox "news".

 

[MMM_wms]

My grandparents are Republicans. They claim that George Soros secretly runs all of the world's banks and most of the world's governments (including the U.S. government). They tell me that Trump is some sort of hero for standing up to Soros.

I'm not sure where they got this idea, however, they do watch an awful lot of Fox "news".

dear woman with a pleasant face, I could not agree with you more on everything in your short post. Including your quotation marks around news.

I'd love to get into a deeper discussion with you, and not neccessarily in public. So do you care to PM me back?

 

[KeithD]

dear woman with a pleasant face, I could not agree with you more on everything in your short post. Including your quotation marks around news.

I'd love to get into a deeper discussion with you, and not neccessarily in public. So do you care to PM me back?

Did you miss her avatar? She reads for pleasure, so I don't think you two get pleasure from the same stimulus.

 

[bodysong]

Police violence against Austin protesters

Austin PD Brags About Dozens Of Support Letters They Got, People Call Them Out For Lying

June 9, 2020

Austin Police Department seems to be unaffected by the ongoing crisis and is getting more
support than ever before. Are they really, though? After they shared a photo collage of dozens
of thank-you cards and support letters on Twitter, people noticed immediately that something
wasn’t adding up. Turns out, most of the letters were written in the same handwriting.

Furthermore, they didn’t even bother to add stamps and addresses on the envelopes
and people couldn’t stop laughing.

Despite news spreading that a college student was shot by Austin police and suffered
brain damage, on Saturday, June 6th, they shared images of dozens of thank-you cards
and envelopes with support letters on Twitter. Many of the short notes read “Thank you,”
“We are thankful for all you do,” and “U R appreciated.” But people shortly noticed that
the text wasn’t the only thing most of them had in common. Most of the notes seen in
the photos shared by Austin PD seem to be written in the same handwriting as well.

Someone offered some context for those who are not fully aware of the situation with Austin PD

(Stephan Park pointed out a number of mistakes that Austin police had made)

Stephan Park @amudork Jun 7, 2020 Replying to @Austin_Police

3.Austin PD shot Justin Howell and Brad Levi Ayala in the head.
Both are in the hospital


https://www.boredpanda.com/austin-police-department-fake-thank-you-cards-support-letters/

Stephan Park
Twitter › amudork

Police are threatened by 75 old men talking to them.
Putting bans on chokeholds and tear gas with an exception of
'fearing for their lives' is patting us on the head and putting us back
at square 1

1 day ago

https://www.austinchronicle.com/home/

 

[bodysong]

With COVID-19 Cases Surging, City Moves to Stage 4 Alert

June 15,2020

Officials urge Austinites to "flatten the curve again"

As the COVID-19 numbers have spiked, the pandemic's disproportionate toll
on communities of color in Central Texas has not changed.

That spike is not just a blip

Last week's total of new confirmed cases in the five-county Austin MSA, 799,
is 90% higher than the week before. Hospitalizations increased by 58%, and usage
of intensive care beds and ventilators also increased, though not as dramatically.
The key indicator of our risk in APH's five-stage model – the 7-day rolling average
of new COVID hospitalizations – now stands at 20.6 (20 being the threshold for Stage 4)
Six days earlier, it had stood at 11.3; it's likely to continue its fast climb, with 30 new
hospitalizations reported in the last day alone.

"I don't mean that to frighten people but so they can understand the facts;
it's everywhere. You need to be careful every time you go out."

- Dr. Mark Escott

https://www.austinchronicle.com/dai...19-cases-surging-city-moves-to-stage-4-alert/

 

[Maeven_quinn]

Republicans have exactly zero concern for the truth about anything. I'm so sick of their bullshit and have cut out plently of people from my life.

Even my kinda redneck cousins got tired of their GOP friends. Yes, my redneck cousins, who hunt animals, drive trucks, and shoot rifles are tired of the GOP right now.

 

[Ziggins]

Any partisan bullshit gets tiresome, including the Dems constantly attacking Pubbies.

 

[Spandex_Girl]

Donald Trump’s Latest Claim About Helping Women Gets Ripped Apart

Trump's claim that he's "done more for WOMEN than just about any President in HISTORY" is getting ripped to shreds by people all over America.

I wonder why?

Perhaps it has something to do with him bragging about how he just "grabs women by the pussy" and forces himself on women that don't want to have sex with him.

Perhaps its the way that he pervs on his own daughter.

Perhaps it's the way that he's cheated on all three of his wives.

Perhaps it's the many woman who have leveled allegations of rape and sexual misconduct at Trump.

Perhaps it's the way that Trump has pushed to defund Planned Parenthood and dissolve the White House Council on Women and Girls.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-boast-women-backfires_n_5f379788c5b65bbd8c8da313

What do you guys think?

 

[domroger]

^^^^
All of the above ,plus fake tan and his stupid elaborate comb over .

 

[SecretSapphic]

My grandparents are Republicans. They claim that George Soros secretly runs all of the world's banks and most of the world's governments (including the U.S. government). They tell me that Trump is some sort of hero for standing up to Soros.

I'm not sure where they got this idea, however, they do watch an awful lot of Fox "news".

My boss and my boss's boss are both Republicans. They like to discuss politics and spread conspiracy theories at work.

The latest bullshit that they've been spreading is that George Soros was a Nazi prison guard during world war two and that was arrested by the Americans when the prison camps were liberated (but somehow ended up here in America instead of being tried for war crimes. They couldn't explain how).

In actuality, Soros is a Jew who lived in Nazi occupied Hungary during world war II. He was only 13 years old when the Nazis invaded Hungary and his family survived the war by purchasing documents to say that they were Christians. Soros's father was a hero, who not only saved his own family from the Nazis, but a multitude of other Hungarian Jews as well.

 

[LLCox]

repubicans like to rewrite history as it happens.

 

[allison22]

I recently attended a family reunion at my uncle's house and was very quickly reminded why I usually avoid family reunions.

Most of my grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. are Republicans and during the time I was forced to associate with them I was subjected to the following historic revisionism:

1. The Great Depression began under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
2. Social Security was created by Ike Eisenhower.
3. Ronald Reagan created more jobs than any other six presidents combined.
4. Bill Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden on a silver platter, but he refused to arrest Osama.
5. The 9/11 terror attacks occurred during the Obama administration.
6. Hurricane Katrina also occurred during the Obama administration.
7. The policy of separating little Latino children and Latino babies from their parents and locking them up in concentration camps began during the Obama administration.
8. Hitler was a lefty socialist who took mandatory prayer out of the schools, enacted strict gun control laws and appointed gay people to high positions of power in the military and the federal government.

None of this shit is true, but the Republicans in my family are so utterly brainwashed, they refuse all of my efforts to educate them on actual history.

Here's another example of how Republicans make for shitty historians. Some of them are saying that the violent mob that invaded the Capitol on January the 6th, killed one Capitol Police Officer and injured about 140 others, were "tourists" and that there are no actual crimes committed and so there's nothing for Congress to investigate.

 

[srgreene]

I recently attended a family reunion at my uncle's house and was very quickly reminded why I usually avoid family reunions.

1. The Great Depression began under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
....
8. Hitler was a lefty socialist who took mandatory prayer out of the schools, enacted strict gun control laws and appointed gay people to high positions of power in the military and the federal government.

None of this shit is true, but the Republicans in my family are so utterly brainwashed, they refuse all of my efforts to educate them on actual history.

It's too bad that you cannot make your points without resort to obscenities, but your entire bilge shows your overall intellectual level- you show zero evidence of putting any real thought into whatever points you want to make.

As to when the Depression began- people often date it from the market crash of 1929. That's a convenient marker, but I don't think there is any reason to think a economic calamity like the Depression was foreordained to follow a market crash- we actually had one in 1987 in which I think the DJIA went down more on a percentage basis.

The late great economist, Milton Friedman believed that the Fed's policies took what would have been a routine recession into the most prolonged downturn in US history. Protectionist policies of the 1930's (actually begun under Hoover but maintained by FDR) also probably played a significant role. Finally, the New Deal sucked up a lot of the capital that could have gone to productive uses, but instead allocated the capital to politically favored groups that did little beyond line the pockets of the appropriate people.

In short, the Depression likely would have not been a memorable economic downturn had it not been for the pernicious policies of FDR and, to a lessor extent (as with the Harley-Smoot tariffs) Hoover. Had the Fed been more accommodating and had FDR not enacted such counter-productive policies, we would not remember a Great Depression.

As for Hitler, he worked closely with communists at some points in his rise to power, and indeed they had much in common in terms of their approach to government control over the economy and civil life. For example, in a November 1941 speech Hitler declared:

"Basically, National-Socialism and Marxism are the same".

Nazis and Marxists shared many commonalities. On another occasion, Hitler commented:

"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit … The difference between [Marxists] and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it. Look at the workers’ sports clubs, the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda leaflets written specially for the comprehension of the masses: all these new methods of political struggle are essentially Marxist in origin. All I had to do is take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose."

I would go so far as to say the two parties were simply different sides of the same coin. National Socialism was very close to being Marxism with the addition of antisemitism as a central part of its platform. Your post is largely vacuous, with zero substantiation of whatever points you are trying to make beyond you don't like some members of your family. I suspect it has a lot to do with you.


Say, was there any administration in US history prior to Reagan's during which more jobs were created than during his tenure?

 

[YDB95]

As to when the Depression began- people often date it from the market crash of 1929. That's a convenient marker, but I don't think there is any reason to think a economic calamity like the Depression was foreordained to follow a market crash- we actually had one in 1987 in which I think the DJIA went down more on a percentage basis.

That's neither here nor there with respect to when the Depression began. It is true that there is no official definition, but one common one is a decline of more than 10% in the GDP. That did indeed happen in 1929-30.

The late great economist, Milton Friedman believed that the Fed's policies took what would have been a routine recession into the most prolonged downturn in US history. Protectionist policies of the 1930's (actually begun under Hoover but maintained by FDR) also probably played a significant role.

While I agree with Friedman about protectionism, one can never tell what "would have happened". Friedman was smart enough to know that, too.

Finally, the New Deal sucked up a lot of the capital that could have gone to productive uses, but instead allocated the capital to politically favored groups that did little beyond line the pockets of the appropriate people.

In other words, it provided people with jobs so they could pump money back into the economy. And it worked, until FDR was prevailed upon to worry about deficits, at which point the economy suffered a major backslide. Besides, what would you consider more "productive" uses than providing for a basic livelihood for people who otherwise couldn't find work?

In short, the Depression likely would have not been a memorable economic downturn had it not been for the pernicious policies of FDR and, to a lessor extent (as with the Harley-Smoot tariffs) Hoover.

That's "Hawley-Smoot", and Hoover had three years to do something - anything - to help turn things around. Instead he insisted that "the economy will right itself". It didn't.

Say, was there any administration in US history prior to Reagan's during which more jobs were created than during his tenure?

A more relevant question would be if you added a "that would actually pay the bills" after the word "jobs" there. Lots of new jobs that pay below the poverty line really aren't anything to be proud of.

 

[srgreene]

That's neither here nor there with respect to when the Depression began. It is true that there is no official definition, but one common one is a decline of more than 10% in the GDP. That did indeed happen in 1929-30.



While I agree with Friedman about protectionism, one can never tell what "would have happened". Friedman was smart enough to know that, too.

Well Friedman did claim that the Fed turned a run of the mill recession into the awful depression that it was. I'm not going to research the comment, but perhaps you would care to get more familiar with his writings.

In other words, it provided people with jobs so they could pump money back into the economy. And it worked, until FDR was prevailed upon to worry about deficits, at which point the economy suffered a major backslide. Besides, what would you consider more "productive" uses than providing for a basic livelihood for people who otherwise couldn't find work?

It provided some people with jobs, at the price of crowding out jobs that would have been created by that capital in a free market. And those jobs would have contributed more to economic growth than the federal make work jobs that were soprevalent- and are to this day.

The government should not be in the capital allocation business; Government will inevitably be a less efficient mechanism of capital allocation than are free minds and free markets. But an even more important reason why government should not be in that arena is that by doing so, it limits freedom and creates a system of dependency on government that rather effectively rewards those in power who give out the goodies. Witness the Democrat Party from FDR's time on.

That's "Hawley-Smoot", and Hoover had three years to do something - anything - to help turn things around. Instead he insisted that "the economy will right itself". It didn't.

You just don't get it, sir. FDR's policies did not get us out of the Depression- in fact, they were positively pernicious.. Neither did Hoover's, although arguably they were not as pernicious. The Fed's policies were inept from the getgo- that means starting in 1930. Helicopter Ben Bernanke basically said as much:

Regarding the Great Depression, … we did it. We’re very sorry. … We won’t do it again.

https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/great-depression

A more relevant question would be if you added a "that would actually pay the bills" after the word "jobs" there. Lots of new jobs that pay below the poverty line really aren't anything to be proud of.

The American "poverty line" would be the envy of hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people in the world today. I have addressed the folly of minimum wage laws elsewhere on this site recently, and do not plan to continue that discussion. But I would be willing to guess that minimum wage laws are not as counterproductive as government makework jobs that create jobs doing work that a market economy would not do (and I am not talking about jobs that are reasonably the province of government)

 

[YDB95]

Well Friedman did claim that the Fed turned a run of the mill recession into the awful depression that it was. I'm not going to research the comment, but perhaps you would care to get more familiar with his writings.

Please don't assume I'm not familiar with them just because I disagree with you. Especially not if you're not willing to do your own homework.

It provided some people with jobs, at the price of crowding out jobs that would have been created by that capital in a free market.

It was a free market that created the disaster in the first place. History has proven, time and again, that laissez-faire capitalism makes the rich richer and everyone else worse off.

The government should not be in the capital allocation business;

Nor should it sit on its hands when Millions of Americans are facing financial ruin (or already ruined).

The American "poverty line" would be the envy of hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people in the world today.

Are you seriously arguing that the poor should stop whining because it's even worse elsewhere? Wow.

 

[Cubantripod]

None of this shit is true, but the Republicans in my family are so utterly brainwashed, they refuse all of my efforts to educate them on actual history.

Cult followers are always quick to point to other being brainwashed.

 

[Cubantripod]

Please don't assume I'm not familiar with them just because I disagree with you. Especially not if you're not willing to do your own homework.


It was a free market that created the disaster in the first place. History has proven, time and again, that laissez-faire capitalism makes the rich richer and everyone else worse off.

It helps to understand a free market first. The rich get richer in a corporatist system like ours. The rich get rich and then lobby their politicians for "regulations" that only serve to protect their marketshare. A free always has always competition, and new players entering the market that creates downward pressure on prices.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

dear woman with a pleasant face, I could not agree with you more on everything in your short post. Including your quotation marks around news.

I'd love to get into a deeper discussion with you, and not neccessarily in public. So do you care to PM me back?

What a creepy loser.

 

[MartinHeidegger]

dear woman with a pleasant face, I could not agree with you more on everything in your short post. Including your quotation marks around news.

I'd love to get into a deeper discussion with you, and not neccessarily in public. So do you care to PM me back?

Shaddup, Conager.