Republican Congressman Clay Higgins assaults man on streets of DC

[BrightShinyGirl]

The police detained his victim.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659018496691372038

 

[Bray123]

The strange thing is that they held the event in a public area just so that the public could ask questions (but not questions that they don't like cos that'll get you arrested).

 

[butters]

the victim was released without charge, and there have now been calls for the politician to be charged with assault.

The (Bernie) guy tweeted about the event, and asked for any interested attorneys' help. He is now (as i hear it) in talks with legal counsel.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

The police detained his victim.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659018496691372038

Assualt? Really? come on.

 

[butters]

Assualt? Really? come on.

technically, legally, yes

assault, or common assault, does not require acts of excessive violence. the politician laid hands on a man asking questions of lauren boebert. He took it upon himself to remove the guy from the vicinity, telling police he'd acted in a manner the goper thought aggressive, possibly violent. Video shows that didn't happen. Not only did the goper lay hands on the man, he physically lifted him off the ground at times as he moved him, ignored the guy's calls saying he was hurting him, and comes within the context of this same goper threatening violence towards other civilians in public.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Assualt? Really? come on.

We've had discussion on this board about using guns for self-defense. If someone grabs you and shoves you, do have justifiable cause to shoot them for your own protection?

 

[phrodeau]

No body slam, like Montana’s governor did? Weak.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

No body slam, like Montana’s governor did? Weak.

IKR? When I hear assault I want punches, kicks, or body slams. None of this weak azz pushing.

 

[HisArpy]

We've had discussion on this board about using guns for self-defense. If someone grabs you and shoves you, do have justifiable cause to shoot them for your own protection?

No, that would be an unlawful escalation of force. You can only use equal or reasonable force to defend yourself.

In the situation with Congressman Higgins, even if the Bernie guy used a stun gun it would have been an unlawful escalation of force.

Interestingly enough, the supposed "victim" was the instigator and thus cannot claim 'self defense' anyway. Had he not advanced into close proximity with Congresswoman Boebert while acting very aggressive and belligerent, he'd have been left alone.

Charges against Congressman Higgins might not even fly. There's all kinds of immunity for them which may shield him in this instance. I'm fairly certain the Bernie guy will find a lawyer willing to explore the limits of that immunity but whether he wins or not is a big question and I don't know the answer. I will say that the caveat of "be careful of what you wish for" might be something to consider for those out there wanting to use this against Conservatives because, just like Harry Reid's filibuster rule reversal, stuff like that is usually filled with bad Karma points.

 

[HisArpy]

IKR? When I hear assault I want punches, kicks, or body slams. None of this weak azz pushing.

It's really funny how everyone equates assault as a physical attack when it isn't.

BATTERY is the physical contact, assault is the threat of physical harm. That's why it's 'assault and battery.' 'Threat and contact.'

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It's really funny how everyone equates assault as a physical attack when it isn't.

BATTERY is the physical contact, assault is the threat of physical harm. That's why it's 'assault and battery.' 'Threat and contact.'

That’s why in the OP I said that Higgins assaulted his victim.

 

[HisArpy]

That’s why in the OP I said that Higgins assaulted his victim.

Which is why I say you got it wrong.

The Bernie guy's actions could have been taken for an intended assault on the Congresswoman.

Congressman Higgins physically moved the Bernie guy. That's not assault, it's a potential battery. What's more, in a normal world we must accept the slings and arrows of society (which include slight bumps and touchings which aren't intended to cause or mean harm) so the physical movement of the Bernie guy might not actually constitute a battery. Even if it does, there's self defense as well as immunity which might be used to defeat any battery claim.

So, whatever you think happened, there was no assault by the Congressman, only a possible battery.

 

[kahalarich]

Assualt? Really? come on.

In most jurisdictions, this would likely count as assault or battery, depending on the wording of statutes. (I say likely only because I didn’t see what happened before Higgins went nuts.)

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

In most jurisdictions, this would likely count as assault or battery, depending on the wording of statutes. (I say likely only because I didn’t see what happened before Higgins went nuts.)

He wouldn't even have gotten t'ed up in an NBA game for that. Now if soy boy was playing soccer, he would be flopping around on the field with all his limbs broken, but we ain't european hereabouts.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Not assault?
Fuck!
In Florida, all y’all would approve blowing the shithead’s head off! You don’t touch other folks castles! Did you not learn that in the sandbox in kindergarten

Then again? To shoot someone over that?

As I said, you all is crazy! Crazy as Billy the Kid. You know? The outlaw!! Not an American Hero!!

 

[Pad_Foot]

More on this
Not the Reps first episode !?
And yet Green called out Bowman colleague for threatening her?? She LOVED the attention

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-rep-cl...s-arrest-after-dispute-activist-1801076?amp=1

When did The NY Times slide into bullshit. Nothing about Green’s responses? Spewing talking points gleefully!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/nyregion/jamaal-bowman-marjorie-taylor-greene.html

 

[DeluxAuto]

If only we had a lawyer in our community to explain it to us layfolk.

 

[jaF0]

Interestingly enough, the supposed "victim" was the instigator and thus cannot claim 'self defense' anyway.

Like little Ky-Ky Weepinghouse and the BigBad Marine Subway dude? And what about Mr. Floriduh Mortorsickle who chased the Librarian home and executed her on her front lawn?

 

[Pad_Foot]

He wouldn't even have gotten t'ed up in an NBA game for that. Now if soy boy was playing soccer, he would be flopping around on the field with all his limbs broken, but we ain't european hereabouts.

Dude. Show me the NBA game where a player would NOT be T'd up for moving another player halfway down the court! Shit. There was a DOUBLE T for a ball being put in a guy's face with some words. NO PHYSICAL harm at all!!
They sometimes get T'd up for just being upset at a call, and some words or tossing a ball.
If the guy had stepped back and laid the fucker out? OH, now we have a problem.
Don't put your hands on another person without some cause! And it best be a good reason!
Of couse, you figure that choking another person to death, is ok too, right?
A Michael Jackson impersonator.
TERRIFYING !

 

[Pad_Foot]

No body slam, like Montana’s governor did? Weak.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hap...forte-body-slammed-reporter/story?id=58610691

Maybe a $10,000 donation and some anger management courses.
BUT
Should he be in government if he can't control himself?
Try that as a teacher? GONE. That day!

 

[Lazaran]

Dude. Show me the NBA game where a player would NOT be T'd up for moving another player halfway down the court! Shit. There was a DOUBLE T for a ball being put in a guy's face with some words. NO PHYSICAL harm at all!!
They sometimes get T'd up for just being upset at a call, and some words or tossing a ball.
If the guy had stepped back and laid the fucker out? OH, now we have a problem.
Don't put your hands on another person without some cause! And it best be a good reason!
Of couse, you figure that choking another person to death, is ok too, right?
A Michael Jackson impersonator.
TERRIFYING !

It would actually be more like a player going up into the stands and picking up a non-profane heckling fan and removing them from the arena.

I wonder how that ^ would work out for the player???

Chances are the player would be banned from the NBA for life AND charged with assault and battery.

*nods*

 

[kahalarich]

It's really funny how everyone equates assault as a physical attack when it isn't.

BATTERY is the physical contact, assault is the threat of physical harm. That's why it's 'assault and battery.' 'Threat and contact.'

Certainly those definitions are typical of common law. However, some jurisdictions have enacted statutes that modify the approach. For example, Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1203 (A) says that assault can be either intentionally placing a person in reasonable apprehension of physical injury or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing the injury. No offense there is called battery.

 

[Lazaran]

Certainly those definitions are typical of common law. However, some jurisdictions have enacted statutes that modify the approach. For example, Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1203 (A) says that assault can be either intentionally placing a person in reasonable apprehension of physical injury or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing the injury. No offense there is called battery.

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How fucking dare you contradict the greatest legal mind in the history of the world.



Carry on.

 

[HisArpy]

Certainly those definitions are typical of common law. However, some jurisdictions have enacted statutes that modify the approach. For example, Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1203 (A) says that assault can be either intentionally placing a person in reasonable apprehension of physical injury or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing the injury. No offense there is called battery.

Please understand that the exception is never the rule.

 

[HisArpy]

Like little Ky-Ky Weepinghouse and the BigBad Marine Subway dude? And what about Mr. Floriduh Mortorsickle who chased the Librarian home and executed her on her front lawn?

Kyle Rittenhouse was found to have been acting in self defense by a jury. For you to insist or infer that he was doing anything other than that is intentionally defamatory on your part. As just a suggestion, you should stop before you hurt yourself.

Daniel Penny has yet to face a jury, thus your statements are conclusory and unjustified.

The other incident I have no knowledge about - mostly because your description is so whacked it's unintelligible.