Reparations: Repeal the 13th Amendment

CharlieG

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A Modest Proposal (with apologies to Dr. Swift)

I have a modest proposal which I think addresses the difficult problem of reparations. We should amend the 13th Amendment. Black people and only black people should be allowed to own white slaves.

Participation in this program would of course be voluntary, so no one need feel unfairly included or left out. Rules for slaveowners would conform to the highest standards of the finest antebellum plantations.

Blacks would be able to achieve the superior wealth, education, family values and sobriety of white Southerners. White people would make reparations not in money, but purely in kind. Poor whites would not have abortions, for they could sell their unwanted children at a fair market price.

Several people have been kind enough to point out one shortcoming in my proposal. White people must voluntarily sell themselves into slavery. They would thus be spared an involuntary trip across the ocean and uprooting of their native language and culture.

After all, the whole point of reparations is not money. No black American could be so crass! Rather, it springs from that highest of ethical principles: revenge. Surely the Jews would have forgone Deutchmarks for the chance to cremate six million Germans.

We must take a lesson from history. Traders never had to actually enslave West Africans. Their neighbors were kind enough to perform this service and asked only to be paid in New England rum.*

I propose a revival of the "Triangular Trade". Blacks should import Russian slaves in exchange for vodka. This arrangement will have numerous advantages:

1. Like West Africa, Russia has a long history of serfdom.

2. Russians thrive on a simple diet of potatoes and propaganda.

3. They will very likely persuade their much more desirable East
European neighbors to go along with the program.

4. Unlike Americans, Russians actually have a language and culture worth losing. (Tolstoy will still be available in translation).

5. They only rebelled once against their masters, in 1917. Hopefully they learned their lesson. They currently seem anxious to find new owners.

6. Virile, animalistic men and compliant blonde women.

7. They don't feel pain like we do.

Please note that I have nothing to gain personally from this proposal. I am white and could not hope to own anyone. Since my children are too lazy to take out the garbage, I doubt they would be worth much on the slave market.

*Note: We should organize an immediate boycott of "Old Mr. Boston" brand rum for its brazen involvement in the infamous Triangular Trade.
 
Originally posted by Azwed
Shhh dont tell anyone but they snuck that in a few years back ;)
Oh, DAMN! Just DAMN! Please say it ain't so! Did I miss this? Gosh darn!
 
Something along those lines...

People are like piranhas, they'll try to fucking capitalize on any situation where they smell a hint of blood. Reparations for decendents of slavery? Fucking c'mon. The poor bastards being sued now didn't have any more to do with the repercussions slavery than the greedy fucker who actually filed the lawsuit. Did these companies profit from slavery? Well no fucking shit... but here's a clue.. no matter how horrible and inhumane it was... it was legal at the time! For Christ's sake you're talking about something that happened two, three, four hundred years ago... I'd like to think that mankind has evolved a little bit since then, but I guess fucking not. How long until someone sues the automakers after they're stupid enough to get in an accident after downing 13 beers?

Fuck it, that's it I've had enough. HEY ENGLAND! Better get ready -- I'm going to file a class action lawsuit to get my fucking taxes back. I figure by now with interest and punitive damages and all that shit, you guys ought to owe me somewhere around 56 bazillion fucking dollars. Payable in new 50's and 100's please.
 
Hilaious post Charlie, but-----------

I don't think we could get the 13th repealed.

On the other hand, we could offer all those that want reparations $50 grand and a one way ticket to sub-Saharan Africa. They could reclaim all that lost culture and language, and the slave trade is still thriving over there. No legal problems whatsoever.

Of course it would mean losing your US citizenship, but think of the challenge of building a new country using your own group of slaves. Kinda a reverse US thing.

Ishmael
 
You know, the only people who I ever hear talk about slave reparations are AM talk show radio hosts. I have never heard any real leaders, Black or White, suggest this as a real alternative. I think the people who bring up the subject have an agenda in doing so - to get people all riled about the non-existant "piranhas". "Dem Blacks, always wantin' sumptin fer nuttin'!" Turns my stomach, really.
 
Laurel said:
You know, the only people who I ever hear talk about slave reparations are AM talk show radio hosts. I have never heard any real leaders, Black or White, suggest this as a real alternative. I think the people who bring up the subject have an agenda in doing so - to get people all riled about the non-existant "piranhas". "Dem Blacks, always wantin' sumptin fer nuttin'!" Turns my stomach, really.

The reparations movement is growing by leaps and bounds. One of the leaders of the movement is Charles Ogletree, a professor at the Harvard school of law. Jesse Jackson has spoken in favor of reparations on several occasions and his son, the congressman, has attempted to introduce legislation to that effect in each session of congress. Recent polls have shown that, now, over half of black americans favor reparations.

The law suits have already been filed.

This is NOT an idle issue. While this thread treats it in an amusing manner, it is a serious issue.

It is not about black and white. It is about the undeserving extorting monies from the pockets of the innocent.

Ishmael
 
CharlieG said:
A Modest Proposal (with apologies to Dr. Swift)

I have a modest proposal which I think addresses the difficult problem of reparations. We should amend the 13th Amendment. Black people and only black people should be allowed to own white slaves.

Participation in this program would of course be voluntary, so no one need feel unfairly included or left out. Rules for slaveowners would conform to the highest standards of the finest antebellum plantations.

Blacks would be able to achieve the superior wealth, education, family values and sobriety of white Southerners. White people would make reparations not in money, but purely in kind. Poor whites would not have abortions, for they could sell their unwanted children at a fair market price.

Several people have been kind enough to point out one shortcoming in my proposal. White people must voluntarily sell themselves into slavery. They would thus be spared an involuntary trip across the ocean and uprooting of their native language and culture.

After all, the whole point of reparations is not money. No black American could be so crass! Rather, it springs from that highest of ethical principles: revenge. Surely the Jews would have forgone Deutchmarks for the chance to cremate six million Germans.

We must take a lesson from history. Traders never had to actually enslave West Africans. Their neighbors were kind enough to perform this service and asked only to be paid in New England rum.*

I propose a revival of the "Triangular Trade". Blacks should import Russian slaves in exchange for vodka. This arrangement will have numerous advantages:

1. Like West Africa, Russia has a long history of serfdom.

2. Russians thrive on a simple diet of potatoes and propaganda.

3. They will very likely persuade their much more desirable East
European neighbors to go along with the program.

4. Unlike Americans, Russians actually have a language and culture worth losing. (Tolstoy will still be available in translation).

5. They only rebelled once against their masters, in 1917. Hopefully they learned their lesson. They currently seem anxious to find new owners.

6. Virile, animalistic men and compliant blonde women.

7. They don't feel pain like we do.

Please note that I have nothing to gain personally from this proposal. I am white and could not hope to own anyone. Since my children are too lazy to take out the garbage, I doubt they would be worth much on the slave market.

*Note: We should organize an immediate boycott of "Old Mr. Boston" brand rum for its brazen involvement in the infamous Triangular Trade.


I am Russian.
I think you need to get your head out of your ass.
 
KillerMuffin said:
"These are corporations that benefited from stealing people, from stealing labor, from forced breeding, from torture, from committing numerous horrendous acts, and there's no reason why they should be able to hold onto assets they acquired through such horrendous acts," said Deadria Farmer-Paellmann, the main plaintiff in the lawsuit.

Who?

Oh, some activist.

:rolleyes:

If I weren't running out to meet prospective kitty parents, I'd dig up all the frivolous lawsuits being filed by anti-choice groups, anti-free speech groups, and the like that have much more bearing on my life than this one, yet are so frivolous and silly - like the slave reparations - that I know they will be struck down. If I wanted to worry about a frivolous lawsuit, this wouldn't be the one I'd pick.

Sorry, I just don't happen to think it's a serious issue, especially right now. The idea of Blacks getting money from corporate America doesn't make my blood boil. What does make my blood boil is knowing 5 of the biggest American corporations not only don't pay taxes, but actually get money back from the government each year. With all the freedoms being eroded and our country being sold piecemeal to corporations, worrying about something as inconsequential as slave reparations seems a bit silly.
 
Laurel said:




Sorry, I just don't happen to think it's a serious issue, especially right now. The idea of Blacks getting money from corporate America doesn't make my blood boil. What does make my blood boil is knowing 5 of the biggest American corporations not only don't pay taxes, but actually get money back from the government each year. With all the freedoms being eroded and our country being sold piecemeal to corporations, worrying about something as inconsequential as slave reparations seems a bit silly.

I hate to say this (again), but business's don't pay taxes. Never have, never will. They act as tax collectors for the government, but they don't pay any taxes. Their customers do.

As a business owner I collect from my customers, and then give a portion to the government. What ever monies that I paid the goverment came out of my customers pocket, not mine. And if the government wants more money from me, well I just raise my prices, and I'll get away with it because my competitor will have to raise his, or go out of business.

Only individuals pay taxes. We pay directly in the form of income taxes, excise taxes, and sales taxes and we pay indirectly in the price of the goods and services we buy.

Ishmael
 
Originally posted by clairepenn
I love your sig, UncleBill!

Fellow Libertarian here! :D
I'm glad you appreciate it. Mr. Clemmons was a very smart man. Are you by chance an Objectivist as well?
Originally posted by Ishmael
. . . It is not about black and white. It is about the undeserving extorting monies from the pockets of the innocent.

Ishmael
You mean like the tobacco lawsuit, the anti-trust suit against Microsoft, the current suit against gun manufacturers, et al, perchance?

And let us not forget The Reverend Al Sharpton has also been a staunch advocate of reparations. Ah, yes, advocates of such sterling character and principles.
Originally posted by Laurel
. . . What does make my blood boil is knowing 5 of the biggest American corporations not only don't pay taxes, but actually get money back from the government each year. With all the freedoms being eroded and our country being sold piecemeal to corporations, worrying about something as inconsequential as slave reparations seems a bit silly.
I'd agree that it is inconsequential except too many people don't have any idea just how ludicrous and irrational it really is. And those fools will inevitably end up on the jury because I don't think we have a judge with the integrity to throw it out on principle.

As to the corporate tax outrage, you're blaming the wrong people. It is the result of Congress violating the oath of office to support and defend the Constitution that has resulted in this crap existing at all.

And Bush's performance is beginning to be as disappointing as I project Algore's would have been with the possible exception of his anti-terrorism rhetoric. He's done more to advance the collectivist agenda of the Liberals than Clinton managed in 8 years.
 
No no, there's something to this. I think we should extend it well beyond the single case, though. How much has Mongolia stolen from China in the past 3000 years? I don't care if they're a poor, hobbled Communist state now -- make 'em pay up. The Greeks had slaves. The Chinese had slaves. The Romans had slaves. Babylon had slaves. American Indians had slaves. And yes, Africans had slaves. I think a lot of cash needs to change hands in the world, and soon.

Ethnically, I'm half Danish and half English. I think I owe myself a sizable cheque for Lindisfarne. And I shouldn't be writing in English, either -- it owes too much to the Danelaw.

You can't solve history. You can learn from it. You should, in fact. But you can't solve it, any more than anything's ever been "solved" in the history of the world. We do our best, and there are always going to be problems, crushed toes, misunderstandings, and things that can't be shared. Accept it, and in turn try your best to avoid it in your own affairs. But don't expect me, descendant of a man and woman who moved to the US from Denmark around 1895, to cut my friend Rama a cheque because he's black. "Because I'm black" has very little meaning to me unless it follows "I didn't get a sunburn...."

Unbelievable-

-M@
 
Laurel said:

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Sorry, I just don't happen to think it's a serious issue, especially right now. The idea of Blacks getting money from corporate America doesn't make my blood boil. What does make my blood boil is knowing 5 of the biggest American corporations not only don't pay taxes, but actually get money back from the government each year. With all the freedoms being eroded and our country being sold piecemeal to corporations

<snip>


Yes Laurel.
 
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