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~looking through my history book from last semester that the jerks wouldn't buy back~ 
First crusade 1096,
begining of the Renaissance in Italy 1300s
First crusade 1096,
begining of the Renaissance in Italy 1300s
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Just noticed that said end of the crusades... sorry, nothing here about it... maybe try ask jeeves? It actually works quite well.
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I KNOW have this info somewhere, but you are right in finding out that the dates are subjective. Some sugggest that the Crusades finally ended with the disbanding and looting of the Templar Knights. Others simply say that it was the last time the Christians lost Jerusalem. The problem is that the Crusades weren't just a bunch of guys coming over on a boat and yelling "Attack!" -- it was a series of long, drawn out occupations and protracted skirmishes. So there's no real event you could point to that says "The End".
Same with the Rennaisance. Birth of Leonardo? Some political administration that allowed more freedom of expression? It's hard to say.
Same with the Rennaisance. Birth of Leonardo? Some political administration that allowed more freedom of expression? It's hard to say.
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I believe the Crusades didn't end until King Richard came along. And I believe the beginning of his reign, marked the end of the Crusades for good. I think he began his reign in like 1199 or so.
guess I'd better fess up to having a degree in mediaeval
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First Crusade 1096; For a while in the 12th century the Christians held Jerusalem, but lost it in 1187; hence the Third Crusade in the 1190s with Richard Lionheart one of the protagonists - he died 1199.
for the next 100 years the West sporadically returned to the holy land, creating a colony, for want of a better word, Outremer ... as they settled in what is now Syria the original objective - to capture and hold Jerusalem as a holy city - rather got lost.
The last Crusade is harder to date. The doyen of Crusade historians Steven Runciman - who died last week as it happens - reckoned the key was the fall of Acre in 1291; as the Turkish forces drove the last westerners out of Syria and effectively off the Asia minor mainland, the Crusades were over to all practical purposes; but for another 200 years the "infidel" now threatened Byzantium itself and periodically popes would summon a new Crusade (Pius II in 1464 the last I think) and a few old-style knights and new-style mercenaries would set off east.
Now start of the renaissance .. well depends on whether you take a Burckhardtian view or read more modern scholars. My old Professor, Denis Hay at Edinburgh, managed to write a whole book on 14th/15th century Europe and not mention the word renaissance until page 374!
Could do worse than start with Florence in the 1380s on for the first time patrons encouraged scholars to rediscover the "lost" art and culture and learning of the ancient world. This is what, strictly, was reborn - after 1000 years of suppression by popes and church, the "pagan" writings of ancient Greeks and Romans were now capable of study; (for the pre-renaissance attitude to the works of Aristotle and others, see In the Name of the Rose...)what the renaissance enabled was the approach to learning and civilisation which made the reformation and Protestantism possible and probably had its apogee in the so-called age of enlightenment in the 18th Century ... Voltaire and Rousseau, David Hume and Tom Paine were the logical conclusion to what the Florentine patrons began.
It would be nice of course to think the end of the Crusades marked the end of something Bad with a capital B.
Sadly however, in the annals of collective human arrogance the Crusades have their own natural successors a-plenty … from the Conquistadors to Vietnam, via the Japanese in China and Korea, and most recently in Rwanda and all over Africa and in the series of local post-Tito wars in former Yugoslavia … it has been a habit of ours to try and impose our will on others; usually in the name of religion, which is why I for one would be too ashamed to follow one.
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First Crusade 1096; For a while in the 12th century the Christians held Jerusalem, but lost it in 1187; hence the Third Crusade in the 1190s with Richard Lionheart one of the protagonists - he died 1199.
for the next 100 years the West sporadically returned to the holy land, creating a colony, for want of a better word, Outremer ... as they settled in what is now Syria the original objective - to capture and hold Jerusalem as a holy city - rather got lost.
The last Crusade is harder to date. The doyen of Crusade historians Steven Runciman - who died last week as it happens - reckoned the key was the fall of Acre in 1291; as the Turkish forces drove the last westerners out of Syria and effectively off the Asia minor mainland, the Crusades were over to all practical purposes; but for another 200 years the "infidel" now threatened Byzantium itself and periodically popes would summon a new Crusade (Pius II in 1464 the last I think) and a few old-style knights and new-style mercenaries would set off east.
Now start of the renaissance .. well depends on whether you take a Burckhardtian view or read more modern scholars. My old Professor, Denis Hay at Edinburgh, managed to write a whole book on 14th/15th century Europe and not mention the word renaissance until page 374!
Could do worse than start with Florence in the 1380s on for the first time patrons encouraged scholars to rediscover the "lost" art and culture and learning of the ancient world. This is what, strictly, was reborn - after 1000 years of suppression by popes and church, the "pagan" writings of ancient Greeks and Romans were now capable of study; (for the pre-renaissance attitude to the works of Aristotle and others, see In the Name of the Rose...)what the renaissance enabled was the approach to learning and civilisation which made the reformation and Protestantism possible and probably had its apogee in the so-called age of enlightenment in the 18th Century ... Voltaire and Rousseau, David Hume and Tom Paine were the logical conclusion to what the Florentine patrons began.
It would be nice of course to think the end of the Crusades marked the end of something Bad with a capital B.
Sadly however, in the annals of collective human arrogance the Crusades have their own natural successors a-plenty … from the Conquistadors to Vietnam, via the Japanese in China and Korea, and most recently in Rwanda and all over Africa and in the series of local post-Tito wars in former Yugoslavia … it has been a habit of ours to try and impose our will on others; usually in the name of religion, which is why I for one would be too ashamed to follow one.
A lot of folks like 1454 as the start of the Renaissance. This is the best guess when a bunch of Greek Scholars fled Constantinople to settle in Medici's court in Florence.
This was followed in 1455 by the first bowling alleys appearing in England. You can't get a more direct line of exploding culture than that.
This was followed in 1455 by the first bowling alleys appearing in England. You can't get a more direct line of exploding culture than that.
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~observing how sad it is that I'm learning more about history on a sex sight than I ever did in any of my history classes~
Humgh, no wonder they wouldn't take my book back, it had the start of the renassance 1300s... Shesh, ya'd think history would be one thing every one could agree on! I mean it all ready happened, and we're still arguing over exactly how and why it happened. Augh, anyway, makes no never mind to me, I'm done with all my history GERs!!
Humgh, no wonder they wouldn't take my book back, it had the start of the renassance 1300s... Shesh, ya'd think history would be one thing every one could agree on! I mean it all ready happened, and we're still arguing over exactly how and why it happened. Augh, anyway, makes no never mind to me, I'm done with all my history GERs!!
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