Remember the program that funded Solyndra? It's turning a massive profit

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Bloomberg:

U.S. Expects $5 Billion From Program That Funded Solyndra

By Justin Doom Nov 12, 2014 1:55 PM ET


The U.S. government expects to earn $5 billion to $6 billion from the renewable-energy loan program that funded flops including Solyndra LLC, supporting President Barack Obama’s decision to back low-carbon technologies.

The Department of Energy has disbursed about half of $32.4 billion allocated to spur innovation, and the expected return will be detailed in a report due to be released as soon as tomorrow, according to an official who helped put together the data.

The results contradict the widely held view that the U.S. has wasted taxpayer money funding failures including Solyndra, which closed its doors in 2011 after receiving $528 million in government backing. That adds to Obama’s credibility as he seeks to make climate change a bigger priority after announcing a historic emissions deal with China.

A $5 billion return to taxpayers exceeds the returns from many venture capital and private equity investments in clean energy, said Michael Morosi, an analyst at Jetstream Capital LLC, which invests in renewable energy.

“People make a big deal about Solyndra and everything, but there’s a lot of VC capital that got torched right alongside the DOE capital,” Morosi said. “A positive return over 20 years in cleantech? That’s not a bad outcome.”

Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican, said that while the loan program may be well intended, “what we have seen is incredible mismanagement, and it’s become the poster child for crony capitalism.”

Taxpayer Losses

“Taxpayers want us to completely end the program,” she said in a telephone interview Nov. 11. “When you look at what’s happened with solar, some of the battery companies, you see that most of these companies are bankrupt and are no longer in existence, and the taxpayer is left holding the bag.”

Blackburn said she’d prefer a tax-credit-based incentive system to loans or grants.

The potential gains are the first estimate for the loan guarantee program released by the Energy Department. The $5 billion to $6 billion figure was calculated based on the average rates and expected returns of funds dispersed so far, paid back over 20 to 25 years.

The agency’s goal is to fund clean-energy projects that banks and other investors have been reluctant to support, and any additional profits are simply a bonus, said Peter Davidson, the program’s director. Project applicants typically view the Energy Department as a lender of last resort.

“When these project developers took their projects to conventional financing sources, those lenders said, ‘Sorry, there’s too much risk here.’ That’s the gap that we’ve filled,” Davidson said in a phone interview.

Four Failures

The failure of four companies has cost about $780 million. Solyndra burned through $528 million of a $535 million loan guarantee before filing a bankruptcy plan approved in October 2012. The California-based solar manufacturer went bust pursuing an alternate photovoltaic technology that became too expensive as panel prices plunged worldwide.

The electric carmaker Fisker Automotive Inc. filed for bankruptcy in November 2013. Abound Solar Inc. and Vehicle Production Group LLC failed in 2012.

The Energy Department didn’t disclose terms for investments in specific companies, and it declined to estimate how much the rest of its portfolio may earn.

“There’s no picking winners and losers -- we’re just open for business and people apply,” Davidson said.

Loan Rates

Loans for individual companies, many pursuing breakthroughs in solar, wind and geothermal energy, typically were issued or guaranteed at about 37 basis points above Treasuries at time of issuance. Those rates may increase to T-bills plus 50 to 150 basis points as more loan guarantees become loans, the department said.

The department currently is finalizing requests for bids on nuclear power projects and considering ones linked to energy-efficiency projects and advanced fuels.

Supporters of the loan program say it has filled a gap in the market that emerged with the recession. Private financing, especially tax equity, dried up after markets crashed in 2008, leaving open the need for federal funding, said Joe Aldy, who worked in the White House as a special assistant to the president for energy and environment from 2009 to 2010.

“We had conversations on, ‘Look, we could have a much higher fail rate if you can show us one or two wins,’” said Aldy, who is now an assistant professor at the Harvard Kennedy School. “The people in the VC world who made a lot of money with IT and Internet companies -- they made their money on the EBays and the Googles and the Facebooks. They lost money on a lot of other things.”

Biggest Success

The program’s biggest success story has been Tesla Motors Inc. The Elon Musk-backed electric carmaker paid back its $465 million federal loan nine years early. Abengoa SA, which received a $132.4 million guarantee, opened in October a biofuels plant in Kansas.

The government’s loan guarantees are comparable to insurance, Aldy said.

“The whole point of insurance is that there should be claims against the insurance,” he said. “If we only go after projects we know are going to succeed, all we’re doing is subsidizing people for what they’d do anyway.”

International Business Times:

Obama's Green Programme that Sparked Solyndra Scandal Turns Profit

By Finbarr Bermingham

November 13, 2014 08:16 GMT


A US government renewable energy programme described by Republicans as "disgusting" and "a colossal failure" has turned a profit for the first time.

The Loans Program Office became a stick to beat President Barack Obama with during the campaigning for the 2012 election, after the solar energy company Solyndra defaulted on a $535m loan it received from the Department of Energy.

It was followed into bankruptcy by start-ups Fisker Automotive and Abound Solar, all of which received loans from the office.

Now, it has reported a profit of $30m, after collecting interest payments of $810m on total loans of $34.2bn, Reuters reports.

The lending programme was borne out of 2005's Energy Policy Act and was designed to stimulate the US' fledgling renewable energy sector. The intention was never to make money but to subsidise an industry that has always struggled to gain commercial financing. An initial $10bn was set aside to cover those losses.

"Part of this shortfall [in financing] can be attributed to the recent domestic financial crisis and global economic downturn. But much of it is due to the unique features of large-scale energy projects, which make traditional financing difficult to find—even in flush economic times," reads the initiative's website.

The programme allows renewable energy firms to borrow from the Treasury or private sector, with the Loans Program Office issuing a substantial guarantee on the loan. It's a model which is common in more traditional sectors, with the likes of Boeing and Caterpillar being substantial beneficiaries of the Export-Import Bank of the US, which guarantees loans to exporters to buy US goods.

However, during the run up to the last election, high profile Republicans rounded on the Obama administration's support for the programme – claiming that he was using it to assist his campaign funders.

Now, though, officials are toasting its success.

"Taxpayers are not only benefiting from some of the world's most innovative energy projects... but these projects are making good on their loan repayments," Peter Davidson, executive director of the Loan Programs Office, told Reuters.

The US Energy Secretary told NPR that it "literally kickstarted the whole utility-scale photovoltaic industry".

The news may offer some support for Obama as he faces Republican opposition to the climate change deal he agreed with China, upon his return from Beijing. Senate leader Mitch McConnell has suggested that Obama will not be in the White House for long enough to see the plan through and, given the widespread Republican hostility to green initiatives, the implication is that if Democrats fail to win 2016's election, the deal will be stopped.

"This unrealistic plan, that the president would dump on his successor would ensure higher utility rates and far fewer jobs. As I read the agreement it requires the Chinese to do nothing at all for 16 years while these carbon emissions regulations are creating havoc in my state and around the country," McConnell said.
 
Solyndra was ruined by Chinese subsidies of their own solar companies, not anything America did.
 
Yawn!

"Expected returns," soon to be revised when they fail too.:rolleyes:

Always revised down, right? Kinda like when you and your fatassed half-breed bro swore to us that preliminary government growth numbers were "always" revised down....and you were disappeared when they were actually revised upwards.

Of course, that "sacred marine honor" would have prevented you from admitting you were wrong anyway, so it's a good thing you tucked tail and deserted the battlefield. Just like a good marine.
 
"the expected return"

How much of that is coming back from Solyndra?

Ifs and buts and yet another c&p which none of your buddies will point as as discrediting to everything you say as if that were a one-way street on which runs the streetcar called desire.
 
ZIV response: "You can't believe government accounting!"

We've been shown no accounting; there is nothing there from the CBO.

It's pure opinion and conjecture.



Even worse, it's the people in charge of the bureaucracy fucking grading themselves.
 
ZIV response: "You can't believe government accounting!"

Best imitation of Contrifan32 of all time! :D

All last year he was braying "we can't trust newspaper accounts of people signing up for Niggercare! We have to wait for the official government numbers!"

Then when the official government numbers came out, and validated the newspaper accounts, he turned on a dime and said "We simply cannot trust any numbers given out by THIS administration!"
 
We've been shown no accounting; there is nothing there from the CBO.

It's pure opinion and conjecture.



Even worse, it's the people in charge of the bureaucracy fucking grading themselves.

Then you don't have shit either...I saw no full account of all that money posted from you ass munches so untill their books get posted in their entirety your teams "ANYTHING BUT COAL AND OIL = FAIL!! DRILL BABY DRILL!!" is just as full of shit.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/bc/bcb5e4c4f6635639f261766ca44fa0f8cb8665bae369296356204a45b70e9eb0.jpg
 
Botany


Do you have some independent nonpartisan access to the numbers that I don't have?

There are none in the OP's opinion pieces...

Anything from the CBO?
 
Botany


Do you have some independent nonpartisan access to the numbers that I don't have?

There are none in the OP's opinion pieces...

Anything from the CBO?

Is that what you were asking for when you were screaming "SOLYNDRA!!!!!" at the top of your lungs last year?
 
Botany


Do you have some independent nonpartisan access to the numbers that I don't have?

There are none in the OP's opinion pieces...

Anything from the CBO?

No.

Never said there was.

Just pointing out that if seeing/citing/posting Solyndra's books is the standard than you and your band of jack wagon republitard buddies screaming about what a failure it is are just as full of shit.
 
No.

Never said there was.

Just pointing out that if seeing/citing/posting Solyndra's books is the standard than you and your band of jack wagon republitard buddies screaming about what a failure it is are just as full of shit.

There is more than Solyndra, it just became symbolic because it was clearly and purely a political payback, you know, crony capitalism, to an Obama bundler.

So is the one I just posted.

Gazillionaire companies shafting the taxpayer because they wouldn't put their OWN money into a project, but for political gain, that is to cozy up to government, they were more than happy to put our money on the line, fail, and cook 20,000 birds a year to boot...
 
There is more than Solyndra, it just became symbolic because it was clearly and purely a political payback, you know, crony capitalism, to an Obama bundler.

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Let's see the books on that...anything from CBO??

So is the one I just posted.

Gazillionaire companies shafting the taxpayer


You posted their books? You have the final reports from CBO signed and dated by the board of execs all sorts of 100% official documents??? REALLY? I must have missed those....

because they wouldn't put their OWN money into a project, but for political gain, that is to cozy up to government, they were more than happy to put our money on the line, fail, and cook 20,000 birds a year to boot...

Should I pull out the well documented accounts of GOP dick suck defense contractors that do the same fuckin' thing on a regular basis????

Or are you like the iggy bunker bitch brigade (vettey n' co) where anything but defense spending is wasteful because fuck the people and no amount of military waste is too much??
 
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Multiple independent investigations into the Obama Energy Department’s failed loan program reveal a pattern of corruption involving 2008 campaign bundlers, stimulus funds and sweetheart loan deals. The reports confirm the suspicion that Solyndra’s $535 million boondoggle was only the tip of the iceberg.

The Role of Bundlers

In an extensive report last summer, iWatch News – the investigative reporting unit of The Center for Public Integrity – analyzed campaign contributions attributed to Barack Obama’s biggest fundraisers and found a close correlation between the amount of money raised and reward received.

Of the fundraisers considered “bundlers” – people who help campaigns skirt the $2,500 individual donation limit in federal elections by pooling money – 184 of 556, or nearly one-third, of them or their spouses joined the Obama administration in some capacity. Half of Obama’s ambassador corps raised $500,000 or more. Social perks for bundlers translated into more than 3,000 meetings or visits at the White House.

Appointing fundraisers to political positions isn’t new. What makes Obama’s bundlers unique is the hand many of them played in channeling federal tax dollars to their personal investments.

According to the iWatch report, at least 19 Obama bundlers “have ties to businesses poised to profit from the president’s political agenda, through stimulus money, government contracts, or other spending to promote clean energy technology or green development.”

Energy Loans to Losers

So far, the most famous example of an Obama campaign donor cashing-in on green energy money is Solyndra investor George Kaiser. Kaiser, a billionaire, raised at least $50,000 for Obama’s 2008 campaign. In March 2009, Kaiser’s investments in Solyndra paid off handsomely when the Department of Energy extended the company a $535 million loan to build a new facility in Fremont, CA.

Three years later, Solyndra is bankrupt, but Kaiser is sitting pretty. In subsequent negotiations, the Energy Department agreed to let private investors like Kaiser jump ahead of taxpayers in the creditor line if Solyndra went belly-up. With the company insolvent, a creditor’s ability to recoup his losses depends on how many others must be compensated before him.

In an interview discussing his book Throw Them All Out, author Peter Schweizer explains that of the $20 billion in green technology loans handed out by the Energy Department, $16 billion can be traced to Obama-related companies. By this Schweizer means companies invested in or directed by Obama campaign bundlers or people who served on his 2008 campaign finance committee.

Four of those took high-ranking jobs at the Energy Department. Combined total raised: $1.6 million.

Of the 27 green tech companies invested in by Al Gore and his business partner –and Obama bundler – John Doerr, 16 received Energy Department loans. As Schweizer notes, the Gore-Doerr 59 percent success rate was well above the 10 percent approval rate among all applicants to the loan program.

More Solyndras are on the way.

Last week, thermal solar company BrightSource canceled its Initial Public Offering due to lack of interest from the market, but only after it received $1.6 billion in Energy Department loans.

In Obamaland, taxpayer money chasing bad investments has only one explanation.

Recently, The Washington Free Beacon reported that “the largest investor in BrightSource (with a 25 percent stake) is VantagePoint Venture Partners, a firm whose principal, Sanjay Wagle, helped raise millions for President Obama’s campaign in 2008 and even served as a ‘renewable energy grants advisor’ at the DOE.”
http://cfif.org/v/index.php/comment...mas-campaign-donors-stimulus-and-energy-loans
 
I asked for CBO's books asshole not your trifllin' ass C&P opinion piece from the RWCJ.....

You set the standard........POST THE BOOKS or GTFO.
 
I asked for CBO's books asshole not your opinion piece.....you set the standard remember??

There are none jackass.*

That's my point.

:rolleyes:

Put down the fucking pot; it's shrinking your brain and there are studies that verify that.

You got the keepers of the asylum saying, you just wait, in the future, we're going to cure these people, even though some of them have already committed suicide on our watch, but don't you worry, the other inmates that we hand-picked for our study, they're on firmer ground than those first few failures were...
 
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I asked for CBO's books asshole not your trifllin' ass C&P opinion piece from the RWCJ.....

You set the standard........POST THE BOOKS or GTFO.

Silly Korean! You mean to tell us a two year old RWCJ editorial hit-piece is not an appropriate substitute for facts?

You're new here, arentcha?
 
There are none jackass.*


Making your side of the story just as much of a jerk off opinion as his by your own standard.

That's my point.

:rolleyes:

SURE IT IS!!
http://www.silverdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ghostbusters.jpg

Put down the fucking pot; it's shrinking your brain and there are studies that verify that.

It also verified that the shrunken parts are more active and run faster than those of non users.

Try reading more of the study than just the title Limbaugh gave it there grandpa reefer madness. In the real world coffee and soda pop are WAAAAAAAY more of a public hazard and far more detrimental to the health of ANYONE who consumes them. There are literal MOUNTAINS of studies and data that verify that. ;)

You got the keepers of the asylum saying, you just wait, in the future, we're going to cure these people, even though some of them have already committed suicide on our watch, but don't you worry, the other inmates that we hand-picked for our study, they're on firmer ground than those first few failures were...

And now you turn to personal insult....will you man up and just admit that by the standards you charge the left with you and your precious RWCJ are equally full of bullshit??


......unlikely....that would require integrity.
 
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