Religion rides in the same cart as Government

[gotsnowgotslush]

Pope backs Slovakia referendum against equal marriage and gay adoption rights

February 5, 2015

During Wednesday’s general audience in Rome, BuzzFeed reports the Catholic leader said: “I greet the pilgrims from Slovakia and, through them, I wish to express my appreciation to the entire Slovak church, encouraging everyone to continue their efforts in defence of the family, the vital cell of society”.

Slovakia will hold its referendum on Saturday.

The questions on the referendum ask whether voters would like marriage to be specifically defined as one man and one woman, whether gay and lesbian couples should be banned from adopting and whether children should be taught sex education classes against their parents’ wishes.

A ruling by the Constitutional Court of Slovakia in October said the referendum does not violate the country’s constitution.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/0...ainst-equal-marriage-and-gay-adoption-rights/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/06/pope-slovakia-referendum_n_6630876.html

Barbora Cernusakova, Amnesty International’s researcher on Slovakia, said the referendum could signal "a significant step back" for the country, which is already more conservative on same-sex rights than most other European nations.

"If the public says yes to these questions and they’re adopted into law," Cernusakova said in a statement this week, "Slovakia bolsters homophobic discrimination and undermines sexuality education."

Amnesty notes that voters will be asked on Saturday if they agree with the following proposals:

• “No other cohabitation of persons other than a union between one man and one woman can be called marriage.”

• “Same-sex couples or groups shall not be permitted to adopt and subsequently raise children.”

• “Schools shall not require children to participate in education in the area of sexual behaviour or euthanasia if their parents or the children themselves do not agree with it.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...west-slovakia-votes-on-gay-rights-curb?page=2

Billboard slogans read (in clock-wise direction from left upper corner: "Come to referendum 7.2.2015", "Vote 3xYES" and " ´Slovakia fights brave today for the protection of the traditional family´ (as a quotation) - Pope Francis, Jan. 22, 2015, in Rome".

The vote this weekend, which aims to reinforce the constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, and restrict the rights of gays to adopt children in this predominantly Roman Catholic nation follows a similar one that succeeded in Croatia in 2013 and points to a cultural divide within the European Union in which more established western members are rapidly granting new rights to gays, while eastern newcomers entrench conservative attitudes toward LGBT people.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder...rriage-and-adoption-right?s=mobile#.rgxO7OaeD P

"The referendum itself is an initiative of civil society; it's not primarily of the church," said the conference's spokesman, Father Martin Kramara, in an interview with BuzzFeed News.

When asked about the church's fundraising for Alliance for Family, Kramara at first denied that the conference had provided financial support. When BuzzFeed News pointed out that the fundraising page for the conference's "pro-family activities" listed providing "support [for] Alliance for Family" as one of its "family-friendly activities," Kramara said, "I can't tell you how great [financial support] is … because I don't know."

Anti LGBT hysteria

Anton Chromik, one of the leaders of the Alliance for Family, claims that “homosexuals are not asking just for ‘rights,’ but want to shut the mouths of other people. They will be making decisions over other people’s lives, careers, and that has always in history resulted in dictatorships and sometimes even in mass murders.”

Supporters of the campaign also question why professional psychological and psychiatric associations, or the World Health Organization, declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder in the latter half of the 20th century, and point to allegedly successful examples of “therapy” provided to gay people.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/brian-browns-citizengo-promoting-anti-lgbt-referendum-slovakia

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

As I listened to President Obama's speech on confronting extremism, and extremists, I could not help but see how relgious extremism of any kind leads to harm.

(What harm is the Christian Right doing to the people of America, when they insist on the domination of the Christian religion inside our American government ?)

President Obama speaks-

"..we'll take an important step forward as governments, civil society groups and community leaders from more than 60 nations gather in Washington for a global summit on countering violent extremism. Our focus will be on empowering local communities.

Groups like al Qaeda and ISIL promote a twisted interpretation of religion that is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the world's Muslims. The world must continue to lift up the voices of Muslim clerics and scholars who teach the true peaceful nature of Islam. We can echo the testimonies of former extremists who know how terrorists betray Islam. We can help Muslim entrepreneurs and youths work with the private sector to develop social media tools to counter extremist narratives on the Internet.

We know from experience that the best way to protect people, especially young people, from falling into the grip of violent extremists is the support of their family, friends, teachers and faith leaders. At this week's summit, community leaders from Los Angeles, Minneapolis and Boston will highlight innovative partnerships in their cities that are helping empower communities to protect their loved ones from extremist ideologies.

More broadly, groups like al Qaeda and ISIL exploit the anger that festers when people feel that injustice and corruption leave them with no chance of improving their lives. The world has to offer today's youth something better.

Governments that deny human rights play into the hands of extremists who claim that violence is the only way to achieve change. Efforts to counter violent extremism will only succeed if citizens can address legitimate grievances through the democratic process and express themselves through strong civil societies. Those efforts must be matched by economic, educational and entrepreneurial development so people have hope for a life of dignity.

Finally -- with al Qaeda and ISIL peddling the lie that the United States is at war with Islam -- all of us have a role to play by upholding the pluralistic values that define us as Americans. This week, we'll be joined by people of many faiths, including Muslim Americans who make extraordinary contributions to our country every day. It's a reminder that America is successful because we welcome people of all faiths and backgrounds.

That pluralism has at times been threatened by hateful ideologies and individuals from various religions. We've seen tragic killings at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012 and at a Jewish community center in Kansas last year.

We do not yet know why three young people, who were Muslim Americans, were brutally killed in Chapel Hill, N.C. But we know that many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid. Americans of all faiths and backgrounds must continue to stand united with a community in mourning and insist that no one should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.

Our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds. With this week's summit, we'll show once more that -- unlike terrorists who only offer misery and death -- it is our free societies and diverse communities that offer the true path to opportunity, justice and dignity.

 

[CNYCarol]

Although most Christians will disagree, Catholicism is a "False Religion". Thus the Pope is a false prophet.

All one has to do is look at Catlick teachings and compare them to the Word of God. True Christians believe God's Word is supreme over all. Catholics teach that the Pope's word is supreme, and their traditions are second, even if they contradict God's Written Word.

The number of faiths that teach the truth can be counted on one hand, with fingers left over.

Religion and Government, simple BS artists pulling the "wool over your eyes".

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Although most Christians will disagree, Catholicism is a "False Religion". Thus the Pope is a false prophet.

All one has to do is look at Catlick teachings and compare them to the Word of God. True Christians believe God's Word is supreme over all. Catholics teach that the Pope's word is supreme, and their traditions are second, even if they contradict God's Written Word.

The number of faiths that teach the truth can be counted on one hand, with fingers left over.

Religion and Government, simple BS artists pulling the "wool over your eyes".

Catholicism is a great business. the great Cuckold obama wants some of that biznet

 

[BotanyBoy]

Although most Christians will disagree, Catholicism is a "False Religion". Thus the Pope is a false prophet.

All one has to do is look at Catlick teachings and compare them to the Word of God. True Christians believe God's Word is supreme over all. Catholics teach that the Pope's word is supreme, and their traditions are second, even if they contradict God's Written Word.

The number of faiths that teach the truth can be counted on one hand, with fingers left over.

Religion and Government, simple BS artists pulling the "wool over your eyes".

It's always amusing to watch a "true" believer sit there and try to invalidate another persons concept of imaginary super hero friends.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

It's always amusing to watch a "true" believer sit there and try to invalidate another persons concept of imaginary super hero friends.

yet you define the great Cuckold obama as your super hero

 

[KingOrfeo]

Although most Christians will disagree, Catholicism is a "False Religion". Thus the Pope is a false prophet.

All one has to do is look at Catlick teachings and compare them to the Word of God. True Christians believe God's Word is supreme over all. Catholics teach that the Pope's word is supreme, and their traditions are second, even if they contradict God's Written Word.

The number of faiths that teach the truth can be counted on one hand, with fingers left over.

I don't suppose Jack Chick's Independent Baptists would be one of those?

 

[CNYCarol]

I don't suppose Jack Chick's Independent Baptists would be one of those?

Not even close.

Basic hint: Religion is man TRYING to talk to God. The Written Word of God, is God trying to talk to man. Isn't it time for man (religion) to STFU and try learning?

99% of mankind has no idea how to meet God's approval, although he states it very simply in one clear verse.

Heck my niece believes being nice to animals is the true path. Who teaches this stupidity? OOPS, that's right, she's Catlick.

 

[phrodeau]

Not even close.

Basic hint: Religion is man TRYING to talk to God. The Written Word of God, is God trying to talk to man. Isn't it time for man (religion) to STFU and try learning?

99% of mankind has no idea how to meet God's approval, although he states it very simply in one clear verse.

Heck my niece believes being nice to animals is the true path. Who teaches this stupidity? OOPS, that's right, she's Catlick.

One clear verse? No such thing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Basic hint: Religion is man TRYING to talk to God. The Written Word of God, is God trying to talk to man. Isn't it time for man (religion) to STFU and try learning?

No, it is not. Now is the time for man to throw away the Bible, a harmful irrelevance which is no more God's word than is a fuck-book.

 

[CNYCarol]

So, Phrodeau & King of Oreo, some of our resident Socialists disagree. Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Phrodeau, I might have had an ounce of respect for you if you had at least asked which verse.

 

[phrodeau]

So, Phrodeau & King of Oreo, some of our resident Socialists disagree. Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Phrodeau, I might have had an ounce of respect for you if you had at least asked which verse.

I know of several, and not one of them is precisely clear.

 

[PoppingTom]

99% of mankind has no idea how to meet God's approval, although he states it very simply in one clear verse.

I wish anything in that sentence would be true.

I prefer more "99% of mankind think they're the only ones to meet God's approval and it's soooo simple that 99% of mankind slip that super passage in the book of books."

 

[cowslinger64]

So, Phrodeau & King of Oreo, some of our resident Socialists disagree. Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Phrodeau, I might have had an ounce of respect for you if you had at least asked which verse.

The Bible says..
James 1:27


Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Religion as we see it is man's attempt to add his own flavor. The holier than thous use it to justify their biases and judging.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Of course, other churches "interpret" the Bible, but in ours we just read it for its plain meaning.

 

[CNYCarol]

The Bible says..
James 1:27


Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Religion as we see it is man's attempt to add his own flavor. The holier than thous use it to justify their biases and judging.

OOPS, wrong guess!

It's simple, it almost says "If you want God's approval, DO THIS".

I'm paraphrasing, don't want to give it away.

Let the guessing continue.

 

[KingOrfeo]

OOPS, wrong guess!

It's simple, it almost says "If you want God's approval, DO THIS".

I'm paraphrasing, don't want to give it away.

Let the guessing continue.

Love God, love your neighbor? Matthew 22:36-40.

 

[cowslinger64]

OOPS, wrong guess!

It's simple, it almost says "If you want God's approval, DO THIS".

I'm paraphrasing, don't want to give it away.

Let the guessing continue.

I wasn't guessing... I was telling you what religion is according to the bible, and me.

I don't typically talk about religion here, mainly because the moral right wing people here IMO are some of the most very dangerous people in this country.. hypocritical, judgemental, holier than thou and most annoying is "if you don't believe as I do, you're WRONG".

Any ways... this answers your question.

Romans 10:9-10 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

 

[about_average]

All one has to do is look at Catlick teachings and compare them to the Word of God.

The Written Word of God, is God trying to talk to man. Isn't it time for man (religion) to STFU and try learning?

Which human's interpretation of the "Word of God" would you be referring to?

You do realize that god didn't pen the bible, right?
And know that in fact there are no extant copies of the original writings, right? The oldest copies are copies of copies of ...etc.
Many of the oldest copied by illiterates.

Have you ever played the game Telephone?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Which human's interpretation of the "Word of God" would you be referring to?

You do realize that god didn't pen the bible, right?
And know that in fact there are no extant copies of the original writings, right? The oldest copies are copies of copies of ...etc.
Many of the oldest copied by illiterates.

Have you ever played the game Telephone?

Well, yeah, but you can rely on it if it's KJV.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, c'mon. It's John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

That may not be an exact quote, but I don't want to bother to look it up. I'm also not expressing any belief in it; I'm just quoting it.

 

[CNYCarol]

Nope, not Romans 10:9 & 10 gains you forgiveness, NOT approval. Not John 3:16 either, that one gains you eternal life, NOT approval.

Next guess?

The question was: How do you win God's approval?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Nope, not Romans 10:9 & 10 gains you forgiveness, NOT approval. Not John 3:16 either, that one gains you eternal life, NOT approval.

Next guess?

The question was: How do you win God's approval?

Judging by the way Christians behave in church, I guess you have to get down on your knees and beg for it. (Not all Christians kneel during worship services, but all beg. And flatter.)

 

[cowslinger64]

Nope, not Romans 10:9 & 10 gains you forgiveness, NOT approval. Not John 3:16 either, that one gains you eternal life, NOT approval.

Next guess?

The question was: How do you win God's approval?

2 Timothy 2:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Of course you'll never get that approval from God without the Romans verse. John 3:16 points out that salvation is possible, but if you skip the Romans one, you'll not receive approval, eternal salvation, entrance into heaven and God doesn't even hear your prayers until that point.

 

[CNYCarol]

Love God, love your neighbor? Matthew 22:36-40.

Nope, sorry. Next guess?