Rejected story

[RelentlessOnanism]

My latest story has been sent back, saying it breaks the rules on underage content. It's a daddy-daughter story and towards the end they get caught in the act by his wife and his youngest daughter. The child is underage and the moderators referred me to a rule about minors witnessing sexual acts, and the prohibition against voyeurism etc.

But the kid is not turned on by what she sees. She bursts into tears, collapses into a heap on the floor, and then runs away, so horrified is she by what she's witnessed. She doesn’t get any kick out of it at all, she'd very upset by what's happened.

I realise that Literotica isn't a democracy, and the moderators decisions are final (even if I might disagree with them), so I’ll have to make some alterations. But does anyone think I should try and reason with them? Have they been too quick and too severe in their censoriousness, or should I just take my lumps and move on?

I can probably work a way round the issue that shouldn’t be too damaging to the story, but I do feel it stayed within the rules, as I understood them, and this rejection seems a bit unfair and harsh.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Yeah, "caught in the act" is the killer. I doubt you could lodge an argument about that. Viewing the act is well over the line

 

[ElectricBlue]

But the kid is not turned on by what she sees. She bursts into tears, collapses into a heap on the floor, and then runs away, so horrified is she by what she's witnessed. She doesn’t get any kick out of it at all, she'd very upset by what's happened.

So what? That's irrelevant. If you've described a sexual act in front of an under eighteen character, that's it, it's over, red rover. You''ve been around Lit long enough to know the line.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Under-18 sex includes witnessing it the act, including for instance hearing parents’ bed banging against the wall. That would not, I suspect, bar something like, “My parents were divorced when I was 11 years of after my father had an affair.”

You might - might - be able to rewrite so that the young one does not actually see anything, including nudity, but sees the two, having pulled on their clothes, are arguing with the mother. The one in question says something like, “It was obvious what had happened and I found myself horrified. I broke into tears and ran away.” You could expand on that, of course, but the point is that she has seen nothing and heard nothing sexual and hasn’t actually stated what she thinks it is.

 

[KeithD]

I realise that Literotica isn't a democracy, and the moderators decisions are final (even if I might disagree with them), so I’ll have to make some alterations. But does anyone think I should try and reason with them? Have they been too quick and too severe in their censoriousness, or should I just take my lumps and move on?

For starters, you need to know that there are no "moderators" (plural) in this. You have only one person to negotiate this with--Laurel, the sole submissions editor and the owner of the Web site. I wouldn't bother to try to negotiate this one with her because you have landed directly inside her demonstrated definition of underage involvement.

 

[MillieDynamite]

If the youngest daughter is under 18 there's your rejection.

 

[Comshaw]

What was said up there ↑. An under 18 observing a sexual act isn't going to cut it. You can try to negotiate with Laurel, but I believe it will amount to the same thing, a big ol' NO. I've seen a lot of comments on that rule, "it's not applied consistently", "other sites don't use it" on and on. What you need to keep in mind is this is an autocracy. Laurel holds all the power. Right, wrong, it doesn't matter she is the last word on such things. We can like it or dislike it. We can pontificate and rail against it, which is done frequently, is entirely appropriate and completely allowed. But all it's going to accomplish is let out your frustration. It isn't going to change the rules.

All that said, what can be done: send a polite ('cause you won't get a good response if you act like an ass) inquiry to Laurel asking about it. Or the best option in my estimation, accept that it isn't going to fly and rewrite that portion of the story to eliminate the problem.

Luck with what ever you decide to do.

Comshaw

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for all your comments. I know what I have to do, I know I’ll have to rewrite it. I’m just venting my frustration, to be honest. I find this rule SO infuriating, especially the way it's enforced. But, as others have said, and I stated in my first message, it's not a democracy and the rules are the rules. I'll change the story, but just be really pissed off about it nonetheless.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

We can share your frustration, truly. That said, good luck and let us know when it’s posted.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just take the youngest daughter out of that scene.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Just to throw in my bit. "Unfair and harsh;" doesn't that describe most things in this world?

 

[Djmac1031]

Edit the underage daughter out and move on.

 

[Devil_PS]

Yeah, as far as I have noticed in this forum, the rule is pretty much firm. Just no kids involved in anything sexual, just don't mention them or phrase wordings that sounds like there's a kid involved even if there isn't.

I've seen sites go in hot water for this so I kinda don't blame this site for being serious about it.

 

[Bubo_bubo]

I can understand some frustration about not being able to put in fiction what you'd be able to read in a BBC news story.
That is the British Broadcasting Company, you perverts.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I can understand some frustration about not being able to put in fiction what you'd be able to read in a BBC news story.
That is the British Broadcasting Company, you perverts.

I thought BBC was Bald Beaver Chicana's.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I thought BBC was Bald Beaver Chicana's.

Besides British Broadcasting Corporation, it has a third meaning that should be obvious. I think I know what Chicana's means, but I've never heard it before.

 

[lovecraft68]

I get that you're going for realism, but unlike most of the threads started here that are vague and suspect, I can see where this one bounced.

If this were my story, I would have left it at the wife catching them and the ensuing drama. If you needed the younger daughter to add to the damage you could, in another chapter no where near any activity, say she heard mom yelling and crying and ask the other sister what happened. You still need to be careful in the response, but it can be done.

On the creative end of things, and as someone who likes to play with the angle of the reality of incest causing serious issues to build a story, it sucks the site won't allow it. But on the practical side, I see its a little too close for comfort.

I'm going to start responding to these by adding that there are other sites that allow this if this is really the story you want to tell. Its not worth the hassles and headaches to try and get it through here.

 

[Bubo_bubo]

Besides British Broadcasting Corporation, it has a third meaning that should be obvious. I think I know what Chicana's means, but I've never heard it before.

I think MillieDynamite knows that. I suspect them of being cheeky.

 

[Comshaw]

I think MillieDynamite knows that. I suspect them of being cheeky.

What? Millie being cheeky? Say it ain't so Joe!

Comshaw

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think MillieDynamite knows that. I suspect them of being cheeky.

I know she knows. She also meant Chicana in terms of Mexican ancestry, I guess. Is that a real phrase used in Texas and the Southwest?

 

[MillieDynamite]

A Chicana is a woman of Mexican descent, a Chicano is a man. I'm not sure how Latin-based languages will hand personal pronouns, Latino Latina, Chicano Chicana. I know the other term for BBC and prefer to ignore that one.

 

[gunhilltrain]

A Chicana is a woman of Mexican descent, a Chicano is a man. I'm not sure how Latin-based languages will hand personal pronouns, Latino Latina, Chicano Chicana. I know the other term for BBC and prefer to ignore that one.

I know that Millie, I was asking if the phrase Bald Beaver Chicana (or just BBC) is actually used in the states along the Mexican border or if you just made it up. For example, in the Urban Dictionary, many of the words or phrases are made up by the poster. Then other people read it and, perhaps, think it's real and maybe try using it themselves. I can't tell the difference.

 

[Bubo_bubo]

It sounds like it could be the name of a softball team.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I know that Millie, I was asking if the phrase Bald Beaver Chicana (or just BBC) is actually used in the states along the Mexican border or if you just made it up. For example, in the Urban Dictionary, many of the words or phrases are made up by the poster. Then other people read it and, perhaps, think it's real and maybe try using it themselves. I can't tell the difference.

No, it was only a joke, and I forgot to add the just kidding. However, I meant to say I wasn't sure how Transgenderism would handle personal pronouns in Latin-based languages where everything has a specific sex.

 

[gunhilltrain]

No, it was only a joke, and I forgot to add the just kidding. However, I meant to say I wasn't sure how Transgenderism would handle personal pronouns in Latin-based languages where everything has a specific sex.

That's why I used to spurn emojis but now I use them more often because some people don't understand when I'm joking. It's like those Onion articles that sometimes get taken seriously.

Anyway, I thought that transgender people had already figured out what they wanted to be called, but maybe I'm wrong. Is that online somewhere, perhaps?