Red Army soldiers raped as many women as comfort women of Japanese soldiers

[gxnn]

People tend to remember the war crimimals and their crimes, so the Japanese and the sex slaves or known as comfort women are always mentioned even 70 years after the end of World War II.

But the USSR's Red Army soldiers, during their liberation of Europe from the Hitler rule, were believed to have raped as many women in the countries they liberated and even their fellow country women as or more than those raped by their Japanese counterparts. Soem said it was due to the effect of Vodka, while GI did not do the same due to their drink being Coca-Cola, and the reason of British royal army not doing the rape was they were all gentlemen.

Few decent hisotry books seem to mention this point. It is shameful. But we should not forget about this.

 

[pointless]

um, alright....

 

[Sean]

You haven't met too many British squaddies, have you?

 

[lovetoread]

People tend to remember the war crimimals and their crimes, so the Japanese and the sex slaves or known as comfort women are always mentioned even 70 years after the end of World War II.

But the USSR's Red Army soldiers, during their liberation of Europe from the Hitler rule, were believed to have raped as many women in the countries they liberated and even their fellow country women as or more than those raped by their Japanese counterparts. Soem said it was due to the effect of Vodka, while GI did not do the same due to their drink being Coca-Cola, and the reason of British royal army not doing the rape was they were all gentlemen.

Few decent hisotry books seem to mention this point. It is shameful. But we should not forget about this.

coca cola stops rapes?

all countries had men that raped during the war.

you might want to do some studying up on it.

 

[PoppingTom]

People tend to remember the war crimimals and their crimes, so the Japanese and the sex slaves or known as comfort women are always mentioned even 70 years after the end of World War II.

Just because it isn't mentioned too often in the US, doesn't mean it's forgotten. Not in Europe, not in Poland or Germany.

There was a Red Army rape wave, encouraged by Stalin.

 

[pointless]

for the record the reason the comfort women thing is so controversial is not the rape aspect, but the fact that it was pretty much an official thing that the army just did instead of the usual random acts of brutality committed by scumbags in uniforms. you get the difference there? it's not exactly subtle.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The OP is correct although his references are bit off.

Being liberated by the Russians was almost as bad as being conquered by the Nazis. Thousands of German women were raped by Russian soldiers. A definite war crime.

As Allied troops entered and occupied German territory during the later stages of World War II, mass rapes took place both in connection with combat operations and during the subsequent occupation. Most Western scholars agree that the majority of the rapes were committed by Soviet servicemen, but estimates vary widely. Russian historians have criticized the estimates and argue that these crimes were not widespread. The wartime rapes had been surrounded by decades of silence.[1][2][3][4] According to Antony Beevor, NKVD files have revealed that the Soviet leadership knew what was happening, including about the rape of Russian women liberated from labour camps, but did nothing to stop it,[5] while other sources say that the Soviet leadership took swift action.

In Taken by Force, J. Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany to be 11,040.[53] As in the case of the American occupation of France after the D-Day invasion, many of the American rapes in Germany in 1945 were gang rapes committed by armed soldiers at gunpoint.[54]

Although non-fraternization policies were instituted for the Americans in Germany, the phrase "copulation without conversation is not fraternization" was used as a motto by United States Army troops.[55] The journalist Osmar White, a war correspondent from Australia who served with the American troops during the war, wrote that:


After the fighting moved on to German soil, there was a good deal of rape by combat troops and those immediately following them. The incidence varied between unit and unit according to the attitude of the commanding officer. In some cases offenders were identified, tried by court martial, and punished. The army legal branch was reticent, but admitted that for brutal or perverted sexual offences against German women, some soldiers had been shot – particularly if they happened to be Negroes. Yet I know for a fact that many women were raped by white Americans. No action was taken against the culprits. In one sector a report went round that a certain very distinguished army commander made the wisecrack, 'Copulation without conversation does not constitute fraternisation.'[56]

A typical victimization with sexual assault by drunken American personnel marching through occupied territory involved threatening a German family with weapons, forcing one or more women to engage in sex, and putting the entire family out on the street afterward.[55]

As in the eastern sector of the occupation, the number of rapes peaked in 1945, but a high rate of violence against the German and Austrian populations by the Americans lasted at least into the first half of 1946, with five cases of dead German women found in American barracks in May and June 1946 alone.[54]

Carol Huntington writes that the American soldiers who raped German women and then left gifts of food for them may have permitted themselves to view the act as a prostitution rather than rape. Citing the work of a Japanese historian alongside this suggestion, Huntington writes that Japanese women who begged for food "were raped and soldiers sometimes left food for those they raped."[54]

British troops

Many rapes were committed under the effects of alcohol or post-traumatic stress, but some cases of premeditated attacks, like the attempted rape of two local girls at gunpoint by two soldiers in the village of Oyle, near Nienburg, which ended in the death of one of the women when, whether intentionally or not, one of the soldiers discharged his gun, hitting her in the neck, as well as the reported assault on three German women in the town of Neustadt am Rübenberge.[57] On a single day in mid-April 1945, three women in Neustadt were raped by British soldiers. A senior British Army chaplain following the troops reported that there was a 'good deal of rape going on'. He then added that "those who suffer [rape] have probably deserved it.'[58]

French Military

French troops took part in the invasion of Germany, and France was assigned an occupation zone in Germany. Perry Biddiscombe quotes the original survey estimates that the French for instance committed "385 rapes in the Constance area; 600 in Bruchsal; and 500 in Freudenstadt."[59] French soldiers were alleged to have indulged in an orgy of rape in the Höfingen District near Leonberg.[60] Katz and Kaiser,[61] though they mention rape, found no specific occurrences in either Höfingen or Leonberg compared to other towns.

According to Norman Naimark, French Moroccan troops matched the behavior of Soviet troops when it came to rape, in particular in the early occupation of Baden and Württemberg, providing the numbers are correct.

War is hell and women have always paid a huge share of the costs.

 

[PoppingTom]

Is this a competition about war crimes?

 

[MichaelinChina]

Is this a competition about war crimes?

I bet the US will win! Because if there were more than one 'My Lai' massacre of innocent Vietnamese peasants, (and evidence suggests there were; Calley was just a scapegoat) then what else was covered up? Remember the US has engaged in every war since WW1 as well as ones of its own making.

 

[pointless]

look we aren't saints, but saying we've been in involved in every war since word war 1 is just plain stupid.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I bet the US will win! Because if there were more than one 'My Lai' massacre of innocent Vietnamese peasants, (and evidence suggests there were; Calley was just a scapegoat) then what else was covered up? Remember the US has engaged in every war since WW1 as well as ones of its own making.

No way. At least America pretends to be a liberal western democracy. That heavily limits it's ability to rape and murder. Russia, China, Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, the sons of Saddam Hussein any of these is so far above (below?!) the US for war crimes they are not even on same list.

America is not that evil!

 

[PoppingTom]

I bet the US will win!

Not necessarily. The Germans did quite a lot of heavy war crimes during their 6 years of war. Nothing comes close to the Holocaust.

 

[pointless]

and i'm out.

 

[PoppingTom]

Noticed.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Not necessarily. The Germans did quite a lot of heavy war crimes during their 6 years of war. Nothing comes close to the Holocaust.

Not for a minute denying the atrocity of the Holocaust. But you are counting bodies. I am counting war criminals.

 

[MichaelinChina]

No way. At least America pretends to be a liberal western democracy. That heavily limits it's ability to rape and murder. Russia, China, Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, the sons of Saddam Hussein any of these is so far above (below?!) the US for war crimes they are not even on same list.

America is not that evil!

you better delete "pretends to be" and insert ís' if your next sentence is to make sense.

You can leave China out of your list. Evidence Please!

America IS that evil too!

Attacking that hospital added to the list of recent war crimes.

 

[pointless]

yeah, have fun taking fallacious arguments seriously, kitty cat. i have important things to do like shaving and jerking off.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Not necessarily. The Germans did quite a lot of heavy war crimes during their 6 years of war. Nothing comes close to the Holocaust.

Stalin's forced collectivization of the Ukraine killed more than the Holocaust. Mao killed more during his various Cultural Revolutions.

Hitler was methodical and ran killing like factory but was not the worst mass murderer in history. Ghengis Khan killed more.

 

[XerXesXu]

I don't know anything about official histories. My father was an RAF pow liberated in April 1945. Although he rarely spoke about his wartime experiences, one day he reacted to some fiction on the TV by saying that after he was liberated it was chaos. No provision had been made for liberated pows, they were left to their own devices. There was a spree of lawlessness, the pows lived off the land, looting, lynching the German local government officials who tried to restrain them, and making free with the local women.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just because it isn't mentioned too often in the US, doesn't mean it's forgotten. Not in Europe, not in Poland or Germany.

There was a Red Army rape wave, encouraged by Stalin.

Probably due to differences in perception...Muricans thought of themselves as "liberators", while the Soviets considered themselves "conquerors". Women were considered "spoils of war".

It's worth noting that when Soviet soldiers liberated Soviet women from German prison camps, they turned around and raped those women too.

 

[about_average]

It's certainly no justification, but Russians held the German citizens (in addition to the military) accountable for their massive military and civilian losses during the German invasion.
They showed little mercy to anyone as they moved west.

Rape is certainly more personal, but once the war was in full swing everyone targeted civilians in WWII (I could be wrong about "everyone" but I'm not aware of any country that didn't). The US certainly targeted civilians in our bombing campaigns, as did England, Germany and Japan.

 

[gxnn]

I think the problem comes from the human nature, but the loose discipline of the USSR army was also accountable. Or simply I just show my resentment to Russia, yeah, that is it! How many people here have the same feeling, please raise your hand!

Another thing I cannot understand as a Chinese is China always finds faults with Japan, like sex slaves, revision of history textbooks, Nanjing Massacre, germ lab, but Russia, or the Soviet Union, which claims to be the comrades of communist China, does not return even an inch of the huge land it seized by force from China, and the Chinese government has not said anything against it, which is much lower and weaker than Japan, because Japan up to now still claims there are four islands under the occupation of Russia which should be the territory of Japan.

 

[colddiesel]

It's worth noting that when Soviet soldiers liberated Soviet women from German prison camps, they turned around and raped those women too.

The Red army soldiers who invaded Germany in 1945 were not on the whole Russians, they were mainly Asians from Central Asian republics. They just raped whoever was available -it wasn't a revenge thing because they had little in common with the Russians and Ukranians wiped out early in the war.

In the 50's and 60's I served in a Scottish regiment. The old timers liked to reminisce about a small group of forty or so men who were detailed to be attached to a small RN ship which had the duty of taking the formal surrender of the German troops left on some of the smaller Greek islands in 1945. The conduct of the Scots at the first two islands was pretty bad, they raped every female over 12 and under 60, that the navy confined them below deck and arranged for the Germans on some islands to remain in charge in preference to relief by our boys.

In subsequent years the conduct of this group became part of regimental legend and hundreds of WWII veterans claimed to have been there and told lurid tales hardly a word of which was true.

During the first WW the ANZACS (Australians and New Zealanders) had a well deserved reputation for robbing their prisoners and then killing them. The first battle that the American troops were involved in was the Battle of Hamel on 4th July 1918 where they were integrated with Australian troops.

Monash the Australian commander praised the qualities of the raw Americans but noted they soon learned both the good and bad habits of the Australians. This battle was almost unique in that the attacking allies actually had less casualties than the defending Germans, which their commander perhaps wisely attributed to 'misunderstandings during the Germans surrenders'? He also noted that the American soldier, 'was every bit as wonderful a thief as any Australian.'

Soldiers rape and kill civilians - happens in all wars.

Seven American soldiers were hanged by the Brits for raping and killing British women - before the invasion of Europe in 1944. 6 blacks and a native American. Whites were sent back to the USA for court martials. Oddly enough, for comparable crimes the Whites received more severe punishment.

 

[bluemoves01]

Winners

At least the Russians won World War 2 for us.

 

[about_average]

Seven American soldiers were hanged by the Brits for raping and killing British women - before the invasion of Europe in 1944. 6 blacks and a native American. Whites were sent back to the USA for court martials. Oddly enough, for comparable crimes the Whites received more severe punishment.

I'm hoping the above is just poorly worded and you're not saying being sent back home was worse than being hanged.