Recovery at last?

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Paul Krugman writes in the NYT:

Recovery at Last?

DEC. 7, 2014


Last week we got an actually good employment report — arguably the first truly good report in a long time. The U.S. economy added well over 300,000 jobs; wages, which have been stagnant for far too long, picked up a bit. Other indicators, like the rate at which workers are quitting (a sign that they expect to find new jobs), continue to improve. We’re still nowhere near full employment, but getting there no longer seems like an impossible dream.

And there are some important lessons from this belated good news. It doesn’t vindicate policies that permitted seven years and counting of depressed incomes and employment. But it does put the lie to some of the nonsense you hear about why the economy has lagged.

Let’s talk first about reasons not to celebrate.

Things are finally looking better for American workers, but this improvement comes after years of suffering, with long-term unemployment in particular lingering at levels not seen since the 1930s. Millions of families lost their homes, their savings, or both. Many young Americans graduated into a labor market that didn’t want their skills, and will never get back onto the career tracks they should have had.

And the long slump hasn’t just scarred families; it has done immense damage to our long-run prospects. Estimates of the economy’s potential — the amount it can produce if and when it finally reaches full employment — have been steadily marked down in recent years, and many researchers now believe that the slump itself damaged future potential.

So it has been a terrible seven years, and even a string of good job reports won’t undo the damage. Why was it so bad?

You often hear claims, sometimes from pundits who should know better, that nobody predicted a sluggish recovery, and that this proves that mainstream macroeconomics is all wrong. The truth is that many economists, myself included, predicted a slow recovery from the very beginning. Why?

The answer, in brief, is that there are recessions and then there are recessions. Some recessions are deliberately engineered to cool off an overheated, inflating economy. For example, the Fed caused the 1981-82 recession with tight-money policies that temporarily sent interest rates to almost 20 percent. And ending that recession was easy: Once the Fed decided that we had suffered enough, it relented, interest rates tumbled, and it was morning in America.

But “postmodern” recessions, like the downturns of 2001 and 2007-9, reflect bursting bubbles rather than tight money, and they’re hard to end; even if the Fed cuts interest rates all the way to zero, it may find itself pushing on a string, unable to have much of a positive effect. As a result, you don’t expect to see V-shaped recoveries like 1982-84 — and sure enough, we didn’t.

This doesn’t mean that we were fated to experience a seven-year slump. We could have had a much faster recovery if the U.S. government had ramped up public investment and put more money in the hands of families likely to spend it. But the Obama stimulus was much too small and short-lived — as many of us warned, in advance, it would be — and since 2010 what we have actually seen, thanks to scorched-earth Republican opposition on all fronts, are unprecedented cutbacks in government spending, especially investment, and in government employment.

O.K., at this point I’m sure many readers are thinking that they’ve been hearing a very different story about what went wrong — the conservative story that attributes the sluggish recovery to the terrible, horrible, no-good attitude of the Obama administration. The president, we’re told, scared businesspeople by talking about “fat cats” on Wall Street and generally looking at them funny. Also, Obamacare has killed jobs, right?

Which is where the new job numbers come in. At this point we have enough data points to compare the job recovery under President Obama with the job recovery under former President George W. Bush, who also presided over a postmodern recession but certainly never insulted fat cats. And by any measure you might choose — but especially if you compare rates of job creation in the private sector — the Obama recovery has been stronger and faster. Oh, and its pace has picked up over the past year, as health reform has gone fully into effect.

Just to be clear, I’m not calling the Obama-era economy a success story. We needed faster job growth this time around than under Mr. Bush, because the recession was deeper, and unemployment stayed far too high for far too long. But we can now say with confidence that the recovery’s weakness had nothing to do with Mr. Obama’s (falsely) alleged anti-business slant. What it reflected, instead, was the damage done by government paralysis — paralysis that has, alas, richly rewarded the very politicians who caused it.
 
You can't possibly have enough time in your day to search out, read then post like you do and still be productive.
 
PayDay said:
This thread is 100% bullshit.

For a thread about jobs that is not 100% bullshit and shows what the actual numbers are:

Go here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1120887
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PayDay said:
I don't do cut and paste.

I got your back bro!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102243878
However, the household survey, which is an actual head count, presents details that show there's still plenty of work to do.

A few figures to consider: That big headline number translated into just 4,000 more working Americans. There were, at the same time, another 115,000 on the unemployment line. That disparity can be explained through an expanding labor force, which grew 119,000, though the participation rate among that group remained at 62.8 percent, which is just off the year's worst level and around a 36-year low.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/labor-force-participation-remains-36-year-low-0
$ said:
The participation rate, which is the percentage of the civilian noninstitutional population who participated in the labor force by either having a job during the month or actively seeking one, was 62.8 percent in November which matches the percentage since March 1978.

In November, according to BLS, the nation’s civilian noninstitutional population, consisting of all people 16 or older who were not in the military or an institution, reached 248,844,000. Of those, 156,397,000 participated in the labor force by either holding a job or actively seeking one.

The 156,397,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 248,844,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, August and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level of 62.7 percent in September 2014.

Another 92,447,000 people did not participate in the labor force. These Americans did not have a job and were not actively trying to find one. When President Obama took office in January 2009, there were 80,529,000 Americans who were not participating in the office, which means that since then, 11,918,000 Americans have left the workforce.
 
Do you know that "excerpt" does not mean the whole article?
 
Meanwhile...

New permits for drilling activity in both the Permian and Eagle Ford plays have already dropped by half, and there is now a steady stream of big players announcing they are scaling back their operations...

...not because they're not striking anymore and there's not plenty left to pump, but because as the market price of a barrel of their oil continues to plummet, they can't afford to stay in business. And the more badguy corps that can't afford to stay in business, the multitudes and multitudes more common folk will lose their livelihoods, their homes, their families, and many even their futures.

Ecos and misers alike no doubt yelp with glee over the badguys misfortune specifically plotted by the House of Saud...

...but the literal strength of the US economy for a majority of the past decade is directly attributable to the humongous expansion of the labor force that's been required to fuel the rise of America to the #1 oil producer in the world; the revenue from such revolutionary expansion has literally been the fuel in America's economic gas tank these last years.

Some say $70/bl is the breakeven point - but the significant players don't play to breakeven. Some opine that if a barrel gets down to $60, it's basically all over and America will revisit the harsh economic downturn which happened the last time this same sort of Saudi-plotted scenario played out...

...that last time, the new tech boom was the only thing that saved this nation from economic depression.

This time it'll take some new boom of exponentially more affect than that to save our economic bacon today if these intentionally harming winds from the desert of Saud become hotter and hotter....

...sorry to inject reality into your regularly scheduled utopian spew, 0, but, for the rest of humanity, there is a bright, beautiful hope: your entire essence of ambulance chaserism for profit will take a big-time hit, too.

Have fun hoofing, bozo.
 
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Meanwhile...

New permits for drilling activity in both the Permian and Eagle Ford plays have already dropped by half, and there is now a steady stream of big players announcing they are scaling back their operations...

What's that got to do with this?
 
If you declare it every four to six months, then sooner or later you will be right, especially if you define downwards while engaging in post hoc ergo propter hoc/ thinking.


:cathappy:
 
If you declare it every four to six months, then sooner or later you will be right, especially if you define downwards while engaging in post hoc ergo propter hoc/ thinking.


:cathappy:

I see you've learned your lesson from all your doomin' and gloomin' since 2009.

Hyperinflation is just around the corner!
Dow 5999!
 
It has undergone a transformative change to a part-time, low income economy with fantastic (government) benefits to the employed and unemployed alike. All it lacks is higher taxes to work.

;)

Even higher than that.

or that!​

or THAT!​

... or even that. :eek:
 
I always know whether or not a given month's employment report is positive based on whether a thread has been started about it here within 15 minutes of its release. If the answer is no, then it's good news.
 
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