Reciprocation Unreasonable?

Boo_Roger

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The way I feel about sex, both orally and vaginally, has been the same since I first learned about it. It takes two, plain and simple. I know, you're thinking "Well, No Shit!". That's correct, sir/madam. So, let's take a second, remove intercourse from the picture, and focus on oral sex.

I haven't been with very many people. 4 total. One was this girl I was with for 5 years. As for the other 3, they were little flings. Now what's bothering me, is of all the others I was with aside from my ex, the same thing has happened. We started with the kissing, the petting, so on and so forth, and eventually led to me going 'downtown'. Now, I may be no expert, but I've done my research and gotten in some damn good practice with my ex, and know good and well how to pleasure a woman. I take my time, and make sure I hit every spot possible and enjoy every minute of it. But after finishing my task (and i don't really consider it a task, merely a figure of speech), each and everytime it's ended with her asking, "Now what?" or slight variations thereof. I answer playfully with, "I don't know..." and I say it with an implying tone, then...she's suddenly become "too tired" for anything else or has to "go to bed because she has to be up early". And I go home to Rosy Palms and her five sisters without even so much as a handjob.

It seems, generally, reciprocation is a mutual understanding. Give and get, get and give. Don't get me wrong, there were several times with my ex that unreciprocated pleasures were dealt, between the both of us. I was fine with that because we were in a long term relationship and i enjoyed pleasuring the woman i loved and vice versa. Usually though, it was reciprocated, but that's not the case here. These weren't long-term relationships. I could've asked for something in return, yes, but i'm too modest for that. If I'm allowed to go down on my own free will, without being asked, then I feel as though the favour should be returned. Am I wrong in feeling this way? Are my ideals convaluted in this sense? If, in fact, they are not, what then? Should I comprimise my modesty and just ask? I feel that by asking, I would ruin the mood. I just don't get why these women do this. I'm beginning to think that only porn stars and long-term girlfriends give head. Okay, i really don't think that, but jesus h. christmas fucking christ, don't women enjoy giving head? All the guys I know talk about all the great flings they've had, and so far, for me, 3 in row, it's been a total disappointment.

Anyone have any insights at all? similar experiences? I'm dying to know what it is I'm doing wrong here.
 
I think that what you're doing wrong is assuming that your partner is at the same level of maturity as you are. You've obviously developed enough to know that part of the pleasure of sex is in the giving. Something your partners have yet to learn.

Don't despair, just rethink the class of partner you've been with. There may be a common element that once you can learn to identify it, you can learn to avoid it in the future.

As to your other question, no, its not unfair to expect reciprocal behavior from your partner. Sometimes however, its ok to be the one on the giving side, getting nothing in return. Just so long as you don't make a habit of it.

I'd suggest that the next time you decide you're going to give head to some woman, reposition yourself so she has easier access to you, if not in a true 69 position, then lying side by side with your feet up by her head.

Another suggestion would be to stop just short of her coming, and then switch to straight PIV sex. If she objects, well you won't be the only one masturbating that night! :D
 
I'm inclined to agree with Bob here. Sure, you do the task out of care, concern & with a fair amount of passion & lust. That doesn't demean anything you've done at all- if anything you should be proud of the fact that you do know how to please women. But the fact that you somehow hooked up with a few duds doesn't lessen your abilities.

The one ability that I think BOTH you and your partners need to do is communicate better. You've got to be up front with her as to what you want to. Talk to her and not just in the heat of the moment either. Talk to her before hand and even afterwards; express your desires & all those other kinks you'd like performed on you.

It never hurts to ask.:rolleyes:
 
Bob nailed it baby.

Dont give oral because you think you have to or you want something back. Do it because you love it.
 
lovechild27 said:
[B Dont give oral because you think you have to or you want something back. Do it because you love it. [/B]

It's a shame the partners don't see it as a passionate thing to reciprocate.:rolleyes:

Again I think it'd be worthwhile to let them know what it is you'd like & what they're into doing.
 
Lust Engine said:
It's a shame the partners don't see it as a passionate thing to reciprocate. :rolleyes:

It is indeed unfortunate that many don't seem to feel this way. But you can only change your own way of thinking, not someone elses.

Reciprocation is a double edged blade. We should all think carefully before demanding reciprocal behavior, else you might wake up one morning to find your woman prodding you in the butt with a 24" strap on and a wicked smile on her face. :D
 
Bobmi357 said:
It is indeed unfortunate that many don't seem to feel this way. But you can only change your own way of thinking, not someone elses.

Reciprocation is a double edged blade. We should all think carefully before demanding reciprocal behavior, else you might wake up one morning to find your woman prodding you in the butt with a 24" strap on and a wicked smile on her face. :D

That's why I think communicating each person's wants and won'ts will come in handy long before or after is vital. Discussing things before hand takes a little of the spontaniety away but it also spares hurt feelings & awkwardness. Discussion also leads to make one feel as though they're not making demands- it's more of an airing out of ideas.

And a 24" strap-on? Whoa! That'd damn near chip my tooth from within! OUCH!:eek:
 
I have got to say Bob nailed this one, nothing else to be said, Go Bob :)

Carnus
 
you'd be surprised how many men like giving women oral

and we'd be surprised by how bad we are at it
 
I totally agree that communication is key!!! Unless you find a woman who actually enjoys pleasuring her man (like me). Maybe you can get yours done first-lol. If you know she is going to be too tired after, get her nice and hot, then have her go down on you. You can finish her up after she does you!! Just a thought. Good luck and you will find the right woman...there are plenty of us out there who love it.
 
It's a shame the partners don't see it as a passionate thing to reciprocate

Its a shame more people dont think this way, because I agree

I just think that if you go into something expecting nothing in return your happier, and some people refuse to ask for sexual favors from their partners. (which is a little weird to me...but oh well.)

but then again I dont have this problem either...lol.
 
guess I'm a lucky one. My wife offers a blow job for every foot rub I give her. :nana:
 
Well, really, I think the problem is that you are having "flings" as you call them. I take it you are meeting these women once and then moving right into the hanky panky.

Now when I have had some hookups, I didn't reciprocate because I wasn't quite comfortable with it yet. If I just met you, I am not going to feel comfortable giving you a blowjob most likely. And I am also not the kind of girl who will just take the initiative. I am shy. So you should ASK. If asked, I would most likely do it. Especially if you had just done it to me.

If you aren't comfortable asking, just guide her hand to your cock. Let her touch it a bit and see what happens from there.

Good luck!
 
COMMUNICATION! COMMUNICATION!! COMMUNICATION!!! is so important in all our relationships. Without it we do not have a clue, and we wonder why the relationship falls apart. Sex is no different if we do not communicate about our thoughts, desires, and needs we are going away wondering what happened when we are not satisfied. Perhaps these women were not into oral sex, and let you do your thing, and then went their way. I am sorry to say many women (and men as well) will submit to something thinking it is expected even when they do not agree or enjoy it. When you meet a woman you don't just remove her clothes and head for the "Y". Before you ever got to that point there should be at least some understanding what you both enjoy and expect. Yes, sex is a two way street and should be enjoyed by bith partners as equally as possible, but if there is no understanding as to what is enjoyable then you have to accept the results. Don't be shy and expect your partner to know what you are expecting, or you will definately be spending many more noghts with Rosie and her sisters - you have communicated (your thoughts) with them and they know what you expect when you spend time with them. So do the same with the women you meet - you may not get as many to bed, but the ones who do get there with you will be much more fun and satisfying.
 
Not gonna comment, since some great comments have already been made. I just wanted to say "welcome to Lit, Boo_Roger". Check out the various Texas threads and get to know your fellow Texas Litizens; there are a lot of us here. I'm just down the road from you.
 
This morning we made love as soon as we woke up. Nice :)

Started out in the dark with snuggles and cuddles. As we heated up, the day dawned and the room got hotter and brighter. Touching, kissing, licking, rubbing, oral and soon enough, deep hard, pounding penetration! She had a wonderful orgasm that left us covered in sweat and collapsed in each others arms. I didn't orgasm which was fine by me. Last night was way good. She ejaculates sometimes and that is wonderful enough. My pleasure giving her pleasure.

After snuggling and cuddling while watching cartoons, Saturday morning sex is fun :), she said that she was going to take a shower. She surprised me when she made a move to get up but pulled up the covers and went down on me. Woo-ooo! So nice to see. Between her mouth and hands, with some help from my hand, she stroked me to a wonderful orgasm. Then she climbed on top of me to rub tummies.

She is out of town now, so I'll have to ask her a question when we get together. I think that she new that I didn't orgasm this morning and wanted to return the pleasure. It sure was pleasurable.

Treeview
 
Boo_Roger said:
The way I feel about sex, both orally and vaginally, has been the same since I first learned about it. It takes two, plain and simple. I know, you're thinking "Well, No Shit!". That's correct, sir/madam. So, let's take a second, remove intercourse from the picture, and focus on oral sex.

I haven't been with very many people. 4 total. One was this girl I was with for 5 years. As for the other 3, they were little flings. Now what's bothering me, is of all the others I was with aside from my ex, the same thing has happened. We started with the kissing, the petting, so on and so forth, and eventually led to me going 'downtown'. Now, I may be no expert, but I've done my research and gotten in some damn good practice with my ex, and know good and well how to pleasure a woman. I take my time, and make sure I hit every spot possible and enjoy every minute of it. But after finishing my task (and i don't really consider it a task, merely a figure of speech), each and everytime it's ended with her asking, "Now what?" or slight variations thereof. I answer playfully with, "I don't know..." and I say it with an implying tone, then...she's suddenly become "too tired" for anything else or has to "go to bed because she has to be up early". And I go home to Rosy Palms and her five sisters without even so much as a handjob.

It seems, generally, reciprocation is a mutual understanding. Give and get, get and give. Don't get me wrong, there were several times with my ex that unreciprocated pleasures were dealt, between the both of us. I was fine with that because we were in a long term relationship and i enjoyed pleasuring the woman i loved and vice versa. Usually though, it was reciprocated, but that's not the case here. These weren't long-term relationships. I could've asked for something in return, yes, but i'm too modest for that. If I'm allowed to go down on my own free will, without being asked, then I feel as though the favour should be returned. Am I wrong in feeling this way? Are my ideals convaluted in this sense? If, in fact, they are not, what then? Should I comprimise my modesty and just ask? I feel that by asking, I would ruin the mood. I just don't get why these women do this. I'm beginning to think that only porn stars and long-term girlfriends give head. Okay, i really don't think that, but jesus h. christmas fucking christ, don't women enjoy giving head? All the guys I know talk about all the great flings they've had, and so far, for me, 3 in row, it's been a total disappointment.

Anyone have any insights at all? similar experiences? I'm dying to know what it is I'm doing wrong here.

You know, it’s often best if we refrain from using the Lord’s name in vain. Wouldn’t you agree? Sure you would!
 
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TheCleaningLady said:
You know, it’s often best if we refrain from using the Lord’s name in vain. Wouldn’t you agree? Sure you would!


Christmas on a cracker, holy jumpin jahosephat, jiminy H (harvey). christmas! I sure do agree!



:rolleyes:
 
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TheCleaningLady said:
You know, it’s often best if we refrain from using the Lord’s name in vain. Wouldn’t you agree? Sure you would!

Which Lord, exactly, do you mean?
Zeus? Odin?
 
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