Reasons Kerry Lost

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Some reasons for the Kerry loss in the 2004 election:

Substantive first:

No agenda. The Kerry campaign, aka the Democrat National Committee, DNC, did not offer a platform during the Democrat Convention, nor outline one during the period between the convention and the election.

They could not, as Kerry came out with a salute and a statement, “I am here to serve” which conflicted with his 30 year anti war stance in public and in Congress.

They could not as the Liberal agenda of a National Health Care aka Socialized Medicine, will not fly in middle America.

They could not as Abortion and Gay marriage will not fly in middle America.

And you must have ‘middle America’ to win an election.

The Kerry campaign was almost totally a negative, attack campaign against an incumbent administration, a ‘me too’ stance, that ‘we’ can do Medicare, the war on terrorism, jobs and the economy, ‘better’ than Bush. Unfortunately there were no explanations to back up those assertions.

On the less substantive, more personal and subject issues:

Kerry and Edwards both committed the unforgivable when they personally attacked the daughter of the Vice President.

When the wife of the Vice President, Lynn Cheney, said of John Kerry, “…this is not a good man…” The nation understood her words.

When the President of the United States, George W. Bush, said, “The best reason to elect me to another four years is to keep my wife Laura as First Lady for four more years…”

This was a subtle but effective delineation of the billionaire hard case, crude and rude wife of Senator Kerry and it did not go unnoticed.

There was also the Cheney/Edwards debate, (not a word from the Edwards camp afterwards on a national scale) wherein the nation saw the comparison between the ‘heartbeat away’ from the highest office.

There is also an accumulation of the Kennedy clan, the Carters and the Clintons, the Humphreys and the Dukakis and the Muskies…Americans are beginning to see the pacifist, isolationist, vested interest mentality of the American Liberal Left.

The weakening of the minority vote, Blacks and Hispanics, the diminution of Union power, the closing of the gender gap, the transition from a post industrial to a service economy, all have worked to distance the Democrat Party from the mainstream of American politics.

It will be interesting to watch the political climate weather the ‘global warming’ of the next four years in American Political evolution.

There will be no Clinton’s, no Kerry’s no Kennedy’s on the horizon for the 2008 election. Who will oppose the Terminator?

Amicus chuckles as he lifts a glass….


(I suppose I am going to feel really silly if Kerry wins….)

4:11 am EDT Tuesday, November 02, 2004
 
amicus said:
(I suppose I am going to feel really silly if Kerry wins….)

4:11 am EDT Tuesday, November 02, 2004
Supposing that we don't get another Florida, when are we likely to know for real?
 
If Florida and Ohio go for Bush, it could be over by 9pm, EDT about 5 hours behind GMT....

amicus...
 
Re: Re: Reasons Kerry Lost

Liar said:
Supposing that we don't get another Florida, when are we likely to know for real?

Polls close in Alaska at 1:00 am EST. We should have a rough idea before that.
 
well, ami,

go to the 'put your money where your mouf is' thread, this forum and give us your wisdom.
 
It's odd, ami, you may be right in a sense, and as to outcome.

I look on it as battle cloaked in theology. You're like a small town Luther or Savanarola.

Most of your 'reasons' should be looked on as 'beliefs'.

It's a bit like one of these local divines saying: This town will win the battle, because of the corruption of Rome, and their false doctrines of transsubstantiation. The other side is supported by legions of demons who will flee before the sword of righteousness. The relation of the above, to reality, is beside the point. This town may well win.

There is one 'odd bit' of your analysis, "weakening of the minority vote." I'm not sure what this means. Less impact on the results?

If it means 'less democratic/liberal,' it might make some sense. Bush and Rove have, according to one commentator managed to increase the Black Republican vote substantially. Bush has the Cuban vote.

The minorities are 'biting' (going Republican) on the issues of 'gay marriage' of all things; not on the deaths of their kids in Iraq. (This isn't to deny Black and Hispanics go democrat, but a couple percentage point gain, may influence the outcome; Black for Bush 2000, was about 8 %. If that were to go to 12%, that's a kind of victory.)

So you may get your theocracy; I hope they are more kind to atheists than in the past (disqualified for public office). It will be, because, as GWB says, 'god wills it.'

11:25 pm EST.
 
amicus said:
Some reasons for the Kerry loss in the 2004 election:

Substantive first:

No agenda. The Kerry campaign, aka the Democrat National Committee, DNC, did not offer a platform during the Democrat Convention, nor outline one during the period between the convention and the election.

They could not, as Kerry came out with a salute and a statement, “I am here to serve” which conflicted with his 30 year anti war stance in public and in Congress.

They could not as the Liberal agenda of a National Health Care aka Socialized Medicine, will not fly in middle America.

They could not as Abortion and Gay marriage will not fly in middle America.

And you must have ‘middle America’ to win an election.

The Kerry campaign was almost totally a negative, attack campaign against an incumbent administration, a ‘me too’ stance, that ‘we’ can do Medicare, the war on terrorism, jobs and the economy, ‘better’ than Bush. Unfortunately there were no explanations to back up those assertions.

On the less substantive, more personal and subject issues:

Kerry and Edwards both committed the unforgivable when they personally attacked the daughter of the Vice President.

When the wife of the Vice President, Lynn Cheney, said of John Kerry, “…this is not a good man…” The nation understood her words.

When the President of the United States, George W. Bush, said, “The best reason to elect me to another four years is to keep my wife Laura as First Lady for four more years…”

This was a subtle but effective delineation of the billionaire hard case, crude and rude wife of Senator Kerry and it did not go unnoticed.

There was also the Cheney/Edwards debate, (not a word from the Edwards camp afterwards on a national scale) wherein the nation saw the comparison between the ‘heartbeat away’ from the highest office.

There is also an accumulation of the Kennedy clan, the Carters and the Clintons, the Humphreys and the Dukakis and the Muskies…Americans are beginning to see the pacifist, isolationist, vested interest mentality of the American Liberal Left.

The weakening of the minority vote, Blacks and Hispanics, the diminution of Union power, the closing of the gender gap, the transition from a post industrial to a service economy, all have worked to distance the Democrat Party from the mainstream of American politics.

It will be interesting to watch the political climate weather the ‘global warming’ of the next four years in American Political evolution.

There will be no Clinton’s, no Kerry’s no Kennedy’s on the horizon for the 2008 election. Who will oppose the Terminator?

Amicus chuckles as he lifts a glass….


(I suppose I am going to feel really silly if Kerry wins….)

4:11 am EDT Tuesday, November 02, 2004

Wake up and smell the leagal breifs. We won't know who will occupy the oval offic before christmas season is upon us.
 
Re: Re: Reasons Kerry Lost

Colleen Thomas said:
Wake up and smell the leagal breifs. We won't know who will occupy the oval offic before christmas season is upon us.

That is so sad. Calling out the dogs. In the case of Florida, I don't think it will happen this time. Kerry's team is shrugging their shoulders, because it's not close enough. Ohio has 20, but what I saw Bush is leading at the moment in that State.

Prediction now stands at:
Bush: 237
Kerry: 188

I feel a re-election happening.
 
Re: Re: Re: Reasons Kerry Lost

BlackSnake said:
That is so sad. Calling out the dogs. In the case of Florida, I don't think it will happen this time. Kerry's team is shrugging their shoulders, because it's not close enough. Ohio has 20, but what I saw Bush is leading at the moment in that State.

Prediction now stands at:
Bush: 237
Kerry: 188

I feel a re-election happening.

Not calling any dogs. Just noting there are at least five states with suits pending and at least two federal suits pending.

No matter who wins, it won't be over till the Judiciary weighs in.
 
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