read and report back...

[Silverluna]

mwahahah...

if you doubt it...check the orignal siting....

~Love you all~
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[deliciously_naughty]

mwahahah...

if you doubt it...check the orignal siting....

~Love you all~
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you would believe anything rush has to say? Don't make me pull out my copy of "rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot..." We're talking about a man who publically condemns divorce but has had several. Hypocrite...and not exactly a serious news source.

 

[riff]

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot.

 

[lilrosie lips]

Numbers can be manipulated.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

and lets add to that the fact that a state electoral vote does not have to go the way of the peoples vote. And in the end, Gore did win the peoples vote. In my eyes that makes him the rightful president and bush the evil despot (well, the fact that he's in office and all his bs policies towards women). Down with the false king!

 

[Silverluna]

if you don't agree....then show me where that source listed is different than what rush dittoed?


I don't believe in everything rush says....
I think what i like.

 

[Meltzer]

this country was built on conspiracy it'll die in conspiracy. this country scares me sometimes...ok all the time.

 

[KillerMuffin]

You sent me to a Rush Limbaugh site without warning me? That's just cruel and unusual punishment.

And I'm a Republican.

 

[Wrong Element]

So Bush won more "territory". What the fuck does Rush think an election is, Risk? All that tells me is that there are a lot of sparsely populated conservative states, something we knew long before November of 2000.

 

[Sillyman]

I've gone around and around with people on this, and frankly, I don't give a shit anymore. The Republicans lived though Clinton, and the country survived, and my parents had to live with Bush Snr and Reagan, and the country survived. The fucker won't be in office forever in any case. I'll brace myself and look forward to better times.

 

[Problem Child]

and lets add to that the fact that a state electoral vote does not have to go the way of the peoples vote. And in the end, Gore did win the peoples vote. In my eyes that makes him the rightful president and bush the evil despot (well, the fact that he's in office and all his bs policies towards women). Down with the false king!

I don't know where you get your facts, or if you understand the way the electoral system in this country works, but let me highlight a few things.

First, I used to listen to Rush, mostly because he's a funny guy and a good entertainer. I agreed with his basic political philosophy, but not all his individual stances on every issue. I recognized that a lot of what he says is tweaked up to make a point.

I haven't listened to him in probably five years because I gradually just got bored with him and I gradually drifted away from his brand of conservatism, but in all the years I did listen to him, I never once heard him "condemn" divorce. He may think it's a less desirable state than a happy marriage. He may be against divorce. Just because he's had two divorces and says this does not make him a hypocrite.

My last point about Rush is that he's not fat anymore. I believe he's lost over 100 lbs. and managed to keep it off.

You are right, a states electoral vote doesn't have to go the way of the popular (people's as you call it) vote. That's because we have a system wherein the President is elected by the Electoral college and not the popular vote.

You may think that Gore is the rightful president, but he didn't win the election by the rules that have been in place for over two hundred years. If you don't like those rules, then vote for candidates that have the elimination of the electoral college as a plank in their campaign platform.

Every statistic listed in that article is correct. None of them really matter, but they're not lies. The only vote that counts for president in this country is the electoral college, and I find most of the people that bitch about it don't know how it works or what its purpose is.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Frankly, I prefer Electoral college to popular vote.

Why?

Because the only people who would matter in popular elections would live within about 500 miles of a coast. The rest of us might as well play pinochle and forget about participatory democracy. We simply wouldn't have enough numbers to matter.

California has, what, 57 now? Kansas is down to 4 for the next election. But in the context of 539 (I can't remember numbers right now), 4 votes is important.

In the context of 275 million, what does it matter when over half of them live within 500 miles of a coast?

I do think that all states should follow Maine's example. They have 4 votes. Two (sentate) go directly for the most popular candidate. The other two (congressional) go for the most popular candidate in that district.

 

[Never]

I think we should elect the president who's the tallest and/or the best looking.

 

[Problem Child]

I'm not really a big supporter of the electoral college, but I think that you can't whine about a system simply because your guy didn't win, and that's exactly what a LOT of people have done since the election.

A LOT of the people crying foul about Gore losing even though he got more of the popular vote didn't give two fucks about how we have been electing presidents until THEIR guy lost by that system. Back when Kennedy, and Johnson, and Carter, and Clinton won by it, it was just peachy.

 

[Sillyman]

My whining is based on rumors of Gore losing his home state because of KKK influence, and losing Florida because of a combination of misleading ballots, illegally counted military ballots, and a list of people not allowed to vote sent in from Texas. Electoral college has little to do with it.

 

[Texan]

add my vote for the electorial college.

Fact is, the reported margin of victory that Gore claims in the popular vote is 557,000. That is less than the margin of acceptable counting error for five of the states. (CA, FL, NY, TX, MI)

The founders had good reasons for the electorial college, but today, there are even better reasons to add to the original justifications. Can you image the chaos in the last election if we were a country that used the popular vote to elect a president? We would have been recounting ALL the votes of ALL the districts of ALL the states, hanging chad be damned.

Hell, half of Gore's popular vote margin probably came from dead voters in Chicago.... TIC.

I kinda like Maine's method of dividing the EC votes. Right now, every state can choose how it wants to divide the EC votes. That is as it should be.

only my opinion....

 

[cybergirly]

The way things are now we still need the electorial college.

If we had "mandatory" voting like some countries and a better ballot system (getting rid of chads, and all hand processed ballets) going only by the popular vote would make sense. But as Americans would we support a "forced" vote?

 

[Texan]

My whining is based on rumors of Gore losing his home state because of KKK influence, and losing Florida because of a combination of misleading ballots, illegally counted military ballots, and a list of people not allowed to vote sent in from Texas. Electoral college has little to do with it.

Hey Sillyman,

rumors are just that, rumors.

KKK influene in Tennessee????? yeah right

the misleading ballots in Florida were a sham. The gave the ballots to third graders who managed to understand them. If someone is less "able" than a third grader, then they probably should not be voting anyway.

the military ballots WERE NOT counted, even though they SHOULD have been counted. Had they been counted, they would have UNDOUBTEDLY been a margin in favor of Bush. (Military always votes one sided in favor of Republican candidates.... it's no secret as to why)

I live in Texas and am pretty heavily envolved in the electorial process (as is at least one other literotican I know of) and I never heard of anyone in Texas who was not allowed to vote. PLUS, Texas gives all its EC votes to the winning candidate in the state. BUSH won Texas by a margin of 73% to 22%. Not much chance that a few votes for Gore would have swung the EC votes to Gore.

rumors are just that........

 

[Sillyman]

Hey Sillyman,

rumors are just that, rumors.


rumors are just that........

Thank you. Please note my above post about not giving a shit.

 

[Texan]

Thank you. Please note my above post about not giving a shit.

noted......

 

[Sillyman]

noted......

Thank you.

 

[BrenVarouse]

Personally I feel that the electoral college is somewhat antiquated. It was originally designed to make it easier for land owners to vote by proxy. I think we've moved beyond the days of the plantations? hm? Granted I am Canadian, but I have an active interest in American politics and plan on moving to California in the near future. Now, I was a staunch Gore/Leiberman supporter during the election but that doesn't change what I think about the electoral college system. Al Gore lost, yes. George W. Bush is the President. Do I think the electoral college works, no. Will it ever change, no.

P.s. Rush Limbaugh is a BIG FAT FUCKING IDIOT. No matter how much weight he has lost.

P.p.s. Of course the people of Texas voted for Bush. He's a Texan.